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F.C.C. Announces Plan to Repeal Net Neutrality
tweoijfoi Offline
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Again? Hasn't the public made their opinion on this matter loud and clear?

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The Federal Communications Commission announced on Tuesday that it planned to dismantle landmark regulations that ensure equal access to the internet, clearing the way for companies to charge more and block access to some websites.

The proposal, put forward by the F.C.C. chairman, Ajit Pai, is a sweeping repeal of rules put in place by the Obama administration. The rules prohibited high-speed internet service providers from blocking or slowing down the delivery of websites, or charging extra fees for the best quality of streaming and other internet services for their subscribers. Those limits are central to the concept called net neutrality.

The action immediately reignited a loud and furious fight over free speech and the control of the internet, pitting telecom giants like AT&T against internet giants like Google and Amazon, who warn against powerful telecom gatekeepers. Both sides are expected to lobby hard in Washington to push their agendas, as they did when the existing rules were adopted.

“Under my proposal, the federal government will stop micromanaging the internet,” Mr. Pai said in a statement. “Instead, the F.C.C. would simply require internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that’s best for them and entrepreneurs and other small businesses can have the technical information they need to innovate.”

The proposal from Mr. Pai, a Republican, is widely expected to be approved during a Dec. 14 meeting in a 3-to-2 party line vote from the agency’s five commissioners. But some companies will probably put up a legal fight, or actions by lawmakers, to prevent it from taking hold.

The clear winners from the move would be the giant companies that provide internet access to phones and computers, which have fought for years against broadband regulations. A repeal of the rules would allow the companies to exert more control over the online experiences of American consumers.

Big online companies like Amazon say that the telecom companies would be able to show favoritism to certain web services, by charging for accessing some sites but not others, or by slowing the connection speed to some sites. Small online companies say the proposal would hurt innovation. Only the largest companies, they say, would be able to afford the expense of making sure their sites received preferred treatment.

And consumers, the online companies say, may see their costs go up to get quality access to popular websites like Netflix.

The action “represents the end of net neutrality as we know it and defies the will of millions of Americans,” said Michael Beckerman, chief executive of the Internet Association, a lobbying group that represent Google, Facebook, Amazon and other tech firms.

But Mr. Pai said the internet rules were adopted to stop only theoretical harms. He said the old rules limited consumer choice and stifled investment in network expansion and upgrades.

He has also argued that the existing internet rules stop internet service companies from experimenting with new business models that could help them compete with online businesses like Netflix, Google and Facebook.

The plan to repeal the existing rules, passed in 2015, also reverses a hallmark decision by the agency to declare broadband as a service as essential as phones and electricity. That move created the legal foundation for the current rules and underscored the importance of high-speed internet service to the nation. It was put in place by Tom Wheeler, an F.C.C. chairman under President Obama.

Mr. Pai signaled his intention to dismantle the existing rules in April. The action on Tuesday by Mr. Pai, who was appointed chairman by President Trump, is the centerpiece of a deregulatory agenda that has also stripped television broadcasters, newspapers and telecom companies of a broad range of regulations meant to protect the public interest.

The telecom companies on Tuesday cheered Mr. Pai’s proposal.

“The removal of antiquated, restrictive regulations will pave the way for broadband network investment, expansion and upgrades,” said Jonathan Spalter, the chief executive of USTelecom, an industry lobbying group.

But consumer advocacy groups and Democratic lawmakers said the move would harm consumers and internet businesses that have relied on the rules to ensure all content is equally available, and to make sure that speech is not stifled by broadband companies putting up barriers to certain internet sites.

Consumer groups say broadband companies have been incredibly profitable under the net neutrality rules and have expanded their networks into new communities and with faster speeds, despite complaints the rules hamper their businesses.

“Your internet service provider will be free to make online fast lanes and favor the content of its choice,” said Gigi Sohn, a former senior adviser to Mr. Wheeler at the F.C.C. “That it will take away your control of your internet experience and give it to Comcast, AT&T and Verizon.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/technology/fcc-net-neutrality.html
Buckwheat Offline
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And you think any of them give a chit what the people think? horse
tweoijfoi Offline
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A man can dream.
Ewok126 Offline
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tweoijfoi wrote:
A man can dream.


Only if he has a huge amount of time to waste and don't focus on his life and family, and even that gets very old very fast. Trust me I am a pro on this one.

Scenario: Man dreams, It never happens, Man gets mild depression, Man builds up the courage to dream again, It never happens, more depression sets in, This takes place 5000 times, One last time man musters up the last bit of gumption to dream again, It never happens, Depression sits in, Man takes shotgun and places it in his mouth and pulls the trigger with his toe while taking a dump on the shitter. Wife finds him this way with blood and brain matter all on the walls and in the toilet, Wife starts bitchin because you left a floater. Your daughter of 5 grows up and during her whole life wife has been telling her how nasty you where because you left a floater with your nasty ass innards in the toilet because you did not care enough about them to flush the damn toilet. This will be your legacy because you like to "Dream" fog
Phil222 Offline
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This is no different than when they pushed through a bill earlier this year that allows our ISP's to track and sell our internet history to the highest bidder. I think that bill had somewhere around 12% public support and they passed it anyways.

Anyone who hasn't read the study that Princeton did on who legislation in this country actually benefits definately needs to do so. It shouldn't come as a shock that it isn't you.

Yeah, and now they're about to break the internet...

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Mr. Jones Offline
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Whenever $MONEY$ is involved and RICH FAT CAT CEO'S
see mo' money mo' money mo' money...then the lowly poor peon consumer gets *****ED up , down & sideways....

If a law was just passed to prevent this? Why is it being reversed by a republican?
I say have the FBI-SSG GANGSTALK THIS "Ajit Pai" guy for
1 year AT LEAST, OPEN ALL HIS SAFE DEPOSIT BOXES AND DRAIN ANY OFF SHORE ACCOUNTS HE HAS THEN STEAL EVERYTHING HE HAS TAKEN IN CASH BRIBES and off shore wire transfers...
Then pay me back the $1++ million they stole from me and they can keep the difference... The old saying :
"steal from Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind...
Or "steal from Pai to pay Jones"
delta1 Offline
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As long as the GOP is in charge, businesses' desires will Trump individual/personal liberties...
MACS Offline
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delta1 wrote:
As long as the GOP is in charge, businesses' desires will Trump individual/personal liberties...


Good Lord, man...
delta1 Offline
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Thought that would get you, Brother!Beer


...so you believe that the BIG corporations that will benefit the most from the GOP tax proposal will invest in creating more and better job opportunities for the average American...


Top CEO's response when asked about trickle down economics of tax cuts at the top...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-trump-tax-plan-corporate-investment-20171115-story.html
Mr. Jones Offline
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^^^ I saw a big CEO conference news story about "reinvesting" those tax break monies...

The moderator asked how many OF THE C.E.O.'S IN THE ROOM would take those tax savings and hire more people or build new plants in America?
Out of the 150? -200? CEO'S in the room...
Only 5 raised their hands.

That answers that question.
Phil222 Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Only 5 raised their hands.


Not to mention, those five will probably invest that money in automation...Gonz


Stock Dividends > Executive Bonuses > Off-Shore Tax Havens > Automation/Offshore-Facilities-Operations


It's gonna work something like that ^^^^ the American working man won't even get a whiff.


Remember the "Carrier Deal" that Trump did right before he took office? I think he gave them like 10 million in tax breaks to keep jobs here and invest back in American operations. I think they ended up laying-off the people anyways, moving to Mexico, and investing the money into automation. This is what I remember off of the top of my head anyways, someone correct me if I'm wrong about this...
delta1 Offline
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The hard earned money of the average American tax-payer is ALWAYS being targeted by the big businesses (banks, health and other insurance, pharma, etc)...regardless of which party is in control of Congress or the Presidency...it's just that one party gives them a hunting license while the other makes some effort to protect the average consumer...

which party continues to talk about privatizing or doing away with Social Security or Medicare, both of which have been funded over the years with average American taxpayers' dollars? They want to hand over the golden goose to the same bozos who recently wrecked the world economy...

Relaxing net neutrality is just another way for big media and big business to exploit and pull more cash from the wallets of the average American...MAGA...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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delta1 wrote:
As long as the GOP is in charge, businesses' desires will Trump individual/personal liberties...


This happened under the Kenyan King's rule.

Swing...and a miss.
jjanecka Offline
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You know what, screw it. Deregulate the whole chitteree and see where is goes. Disband the FCC and let the market rule like it should. I'm tired of this protectionist garbage the left and the right have put up over the last 20 years.

Get rid of social security and AHCA too. The markets know what is best.
DrafterX Offline
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I never got my free Obama-net..Mad
delta1 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
This happened under the Kenyan King's rule.

Swing...and a miss.



To some degree...like I said, both parties give more attention to big business than individual citizens...but the GOP is openly aligned with the top 1% and big business...they just say pleasant sounding stuff to try to keep the average person fooled...

I was disappointed that Obama's DOJ declined to pursue criminal charges against the CEO's and top managers at JP Morgan, BofA, Citi and all the other too big to fail banks and investment companies when he became President and had to clean up their mess.

But he didn't throw himself at the feet of, and fawn over Jamie Dimon, the JPMorgan/Chase boss, like the GOP Congressmen when that douche went to testify about his company's part in the mortgage fraud scheme that crippled the world economy and robbed many of our retirement funds. It was a spectacle how they bowed in his presence as if he was royalty, in contrast to how openly hostile they were to the CEO's of the American auto makers... as if he had the power to make them rich while in office and when they left office...oh..........wait....
jjanecka Offline
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Once again, this would have been another great instance where the government should not have interveined.
Phil222 Offline
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I think the government stepped in at the behest of some large streaming companies like YouTube and Netflix because they were being throttled for ransom.

https://technical.ly/philly/2014/05/09/graph-shows-netflix-speeds-changed-comcast-deal-comcast-roundup/

If you look at some other countries that do not have consumer protections on the internet like Mexico and Portugal for example, they have broken down the internet into "packages" similar to how they do television packages now in the U.S.

This doesn't concern me as much as the telecompanies being able to deny me access to information that might be important to my well being simply because someone payed them a bribe or it isn't included in my "internet websites package."

Ideally, without these consumer protections, Hillary Clinton could have paid ISP's to throttle or even shut down access to websites that showed a pro-Trump agenda during the election. It would be one step closer to government controlled media in my opinion, as they would be able to silence any voice on the net that did not agree with their agenda without any reprocussions. And by "their," I mean anyone with the $$$$ to do so.

If people feel these ISP monopolies should be able to do whatever they want for money, I get it; I just don't agree with it.
DrafterX Offline
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Kinda like how Obama used the IRS to throttle down Republican organizations.. Mellow
Phil222 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Kinda like how Obama used the IRS to throttle down Republican organizations.. Mellow


Maybe? I'm no fan of Obama and not really familiar with this story.
DrafterX Offline
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The Eeviillll one Lerner admitted to it after lying to Congress about it... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Kinda like how Obama used the IRS to throttle down Republican organizations..

Phil222 wrote:
Maybe? I'm no fan of Obama and not really familiar with this story.


Phil, did you take a Rip Van Winkle style nap during the last 10 years or are you too young to be smoking cigars ?
Phil222 Offline
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Guess I suffer from Sessions Syndrome, "I don't recollect."

Didn't watch much news during the Obama years. Still don't.... I'm guessing this was a huge story that I should know about?

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Or you don't remember it because it's a debunked story that you'd only get if you watch/read the sort of "news" that's convinced the Clinton's ran a pedophile ring out of a pizza place....
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Debunked..?? There's no doubt Lerner lied.. the IRS apologized... Now Lerner is asking her testimony remain secret because she'd afraid for her family... But you go ahead and keep denying it if it makes you feel better... Mellow
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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/apr/18/is-the-irs-scandal-the-next-watergate/

... nothing there...
DrafterX Offline
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April..?? Have you read anything recently..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
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Their willingness to shrilly repeat things doesn't mean anything has changed.
delta1 Offline
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Oh yeah?!?! Hillary sold 100% of the uranium in the US to Russia in exchange for a contribution to the Clinton Foundation!!!!! And she had Seth Rich killed!!!!
DrafterX Offline
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IRS Apologizes For Aggressive Scrutiny Of Conservative Groups

October 27, 20173:08 PM ET

The Justice Department has entered settlements for two cases related to IRS scrutiny of groups seeking tax-exempt status.

In a legal settlement that still awaits a federal judge's approval, the IRS "expresses its sincere apology" for mistreating a conservative organization called Linchpins of Liberty — along with 40 other conservative groups — in their applications for tax-exempt status.

And in a second case, NorCal Tea Party Patriots and 427 other groups suing the IRS also reached a "substantial financial settlement" with the government.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the two settlements Thursday. The Justice Department quoted him as saying of the IRS activity: "There is no excuse for this conduct. Hundreds of organizations were affected by these actions, and they deserve an apology from the IRS. We hope that today's settlement makes clear that this abuse of power will not be tolerated."

Film at 11...Mellow





But you guys already knew this.. I heard if you deny somethin enough you begin to believe it...Mellow
victor809 Offline
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1 - there is no link to Obama on this
2 - there is evidence that liberal groups were treated the same. They did high level searches for political terms to identify political groups trying to pretend to be non profits.
teedubbya Offline
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Yea but Hillary.

And trump says he did stuff. No need to see if he actually did.
DrafterX Offline
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victor809 wrote:
1 - there is no link to Obama on this
2 - there is evidence that liberal groups were treated the same. They did high level searches for political terms to identify political groups trying to pretend to be non profits.




So, now it's not Fake News..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
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Why should political organizations, whether libs or cons, be granted tax exempt status. We shouldn't let anyone make money and not pay taxes merely because the money will be spent politically...the amount of money flowing into politics is so great, that the average American voice isn't heard, even at the local level of politics.
DrafterX Offline
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Apology accepted... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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You're welcome...
DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Or you don't remember it because it's a debunked story that you'd only get if you watch/read the sort of "news" that's convinced the Clinton's ran a pedophile ring out of a pizza place....


Not sure how you define "debunked", but the IRS thing was real. (And by "real", I mean the DOJ ruled in plaintiff's favor)
The pizza diddling was not real. And was not even accepted as truth by anyone for more than a millisecond. I mean, even kids wouldn't want to have sex if Hillary were involved, even peripherally.







tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Why should political organizations, whether libs or cons, be granted tax exempt status. We shouldn't let anyone make money and not pay taxes merely because the money will be spent politically...the amount of money flowing into politics is so great, that the average American voice isn't heard, even at the local level of politics.


like

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tailgater wrote:
Not sure how you define "debunked", but the IRS thing was real. (And by "real", I mean the DOJ ruled in plaintiff's favor)
The pizza diddling was not real. And was not even accepted as truth by anyone for more than a millisecond. I mean, even kids wouldn't want to have sex if Hillary were involved, even peripherally.








didn't someone go to DC area with loaded guns determined to shoot up the pizza joint cuz of the diddling thing?
DrafterX Offline
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I dunno... Somebody decided to shoot up a bunch of Republican ball players tho.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Yup. Both true. The pizza thing was in direct correlation to fake news sources spreading fake stories and would have never happened without it. This could have been prevented by not purposefully spreading lies that led folks to believe the Clinton’s supported child predators and diddling.

The baseball game equally tragic (more since he actually shot) but not related to fake news purposely floated by political operatives and willingly pushed by fake news sources. I’m not sure how this one could have been prevented.

Not sure why the baseball game is brought up in relation to the pizza thing other pizza than a diversion.

By the way Trump is back to birtherism again so those of you still living in that alternate reality have that going for you.
teedubbya Offline
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Pizza pizza wtf?
DrafterX Offline
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I could sure use a pizza about now.... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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We should appoint a special council to look into Obama's fake birth certificate and stuff.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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May as well. Maybe 2 in case one gives the wrong answer.

You sure do love some trump my orange lipped friend.
teedubbya Offline
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^ sarcasm but drafter already know that.
DrafterX Offline
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Yep.. Laugh
delta1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Pizza pizza wtf?



Brought to you by Little Caesar's Pizza...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXlST7il84I
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DrafterX wrote:
I could sure use a pizza about now.... Mellow


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