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DrafterX Offline
#101 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 12:16 PM EST
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No way man.. Fox wouldn't do that...Not talking
tailgater Offline
#102 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 12:16 PM EST
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Yes.
We are all individuals!
delta1 Offline
#103 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 2:49 PM EST
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Most days, if you watch one and then the other, Fox News and MSNBC, it seems as if we are living in two different worlds...FOX does all the puff pieces on Trump and takes shots at his critics, and MSNBC does all the critical and negative stuff...

For better and less biased reporting, just watch their local news (local NBC and local Fox stations, not the national syndicated "news/opinion/entertainment" shows) and forget about the opinion flinging talking heads...

If you just watch Fox, Trump is the greatest ever, restoring American values, working for the average American and making America great again...

If you just watch MSNBC, Trump is the worst ever, a racist who is making America less safe, less influential and a laughing stock to the rest of the world...
teedubbya Offline
#104 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 2:58 PM EST
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and the roles were reversed under obammy.

I remember long ago el rushbo saying long ago its better for him with a D in office. More entertaining. the entertainment news orgs have the same issue.
delta1 Offline
#105 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 3:06 PM EST
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In one world, the Russian investigation is a made-up nuisance and a waste of time and money, a conspiracy to discredit Trump and divert him from his policies...it should be ignored...none of the findings, so far, are important or indications that Trump has done anything wrong...

In the other, the Russian investigation is an important matter that tests the core of our sovereign democracy, and should be thoroughly investigated to determine the extent of how a foreign adversary influenced an election and whether it received any help from the sitting President.
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 3:20 PM EST
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They're still looking for ways to get Trump out and Hillary in... It's all part of da 'Resistance'... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 3:23 PM EST
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As opposed to during the time the non citizen was president.

If in the end the investigation finds Trump and his clan did nothing wrong I say we accept it.
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 3:33 PM EST
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Me too... Then we can really go after Hillary.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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#107^ TW, absolutely...it will show that our process of self-government is a solid and well-conceived foundation that is more important and stronger than any one individual, and one that can withstand outside attack...if/when the findings are announced, we need to shore up our electoral process to discourage any further outside influence.
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#110 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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DP
Brewha Offline
#111 Posted: Mon, Dec 4 2017, 10:46 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You finally get it.

Foxnews is one big op ed.
They're pretty straight forward in regards to that. They wear their bias on their sleeve and then invite spirited debate. Sure, they stack the deck in their favor, but Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly et al aren't pretending to be Dan Rather.

Meanwhile, CNN, NBC and their liberal brethren DO pretend to be actual news sources.

Give me the actual Fox, rather than one in sheep's clothing.

No not “finally”. Fox being an enraged op ed nothing short of a truism.

But consider the preponderance of Americans think that theses “opinions” are facts. Or even news.
Lot of low brow folks even think a one sided conservative monologue is balanced (as conservative do) and in terms of treating news subject matter “fair”. It prays on the stupid.

Now I will grant you that the approach of “I’ll tell you what is right and what to get mad about - never mind the facts” is a hallmark of conservatism. And many just love it. But it should have a warning label on it....
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#112 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:14 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
But consider the preponderance of Americans think that theses “opinions” are facts. Or even news.




You mean how the Left thought "The Daily Show" was actually a news program???


Frying pan
Brewha Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:47 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You mean how the Left thought "The Daily Show" was actually a news program???


Frying pan

Right - Comedy Central is a fair and balanced new source......

d'oh! Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 9:15 AM EST
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Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 9:51 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Lot of low brow folks even think a one sided conservative monologue is balanced (as conservative do) and in terms of treating news subject matter “fair”. It prays on the stupid.


Typical left, someone does not agree with your side then the name calling begins.

So they are "low brow folks" because they don't agree with you and buy into the sewage spewed daily by the left and their many left leaning news outlets.

Just for the record:


Oct 31, 2017 - TV Newser

"Fox News won the cable news ratings war yet again.

The network defeated rivals CNN and MSNBC in total day and in prime time both in total viewers and A25-54 news demo in October 2017. This victory means that Fox News is the most-watched cable news network for a whopping 190 consecutive months.

Not only did Fox News defeat its cable news rivals, but it finished as basic cable’s most-watched network for the 16th consecutive month in total day. FNC finished No.2 in total prime time viewers across basic cable, falling short only to ESPN."
teedubbya Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 10:03 AM EST
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What do ratings have to do with it? The Kardashian’s get good ratings. Trump is in to ratings but they have nothing to do with credibility.
Burner02 Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 10:21 AM EST
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Just helping Brewha with his assertion. Why, you want to argue about the ratings?

Not surprised you take time to follow the Kardashians.
teedubbya Offline
#118 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 10:28 AM EST
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Ratings mean nothing, your post suggests otherwise. There is a lot of stupid **** that gets ratings Fox News not withstanding.
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#119 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 11:40 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Typical left, someone does not agree with your side then the name calling begins.

So they are "low brow folks" because they don't agree with you and buy into the sewage spewed daily by the left and their many left leaning news outlets.

Just for the record:


Oct 31, 2017 - TV Newser

"Fox News won the cable news ratings war yet again.

The network defeated rivals CNN and MSNBC in total day and in prime time both in total viewers and A25-54 news demo in October 2017. This victory means that Fox News is the most-watched cable news network for a whopping 190 consecutive months.

Not only did Fox News defeat its cable news rivals, but it finished as basic cable’s most-watched network for the 16th consecutive month in total day. FNC finished No.2 in total prime time viewers across basic cable, falling short only to ESPN."


So....checkers sell more than chess - is that your point?
burnem2 Offline
#120 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 11:46 AM EST
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I think it just means that hand wringing is out of style.
delta1 Offline
#121 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 2:59 PM EST
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Walking Dead gets nearly three times the number of viewers as Fox News in the 18-49 demographic. Young people are more interested in zombie fantasy than cons (and lib) fantasy ...
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#122 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 6:42 PM EST
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Flynn is NOTHING BUT A CHEESE EATING
RATPHUUQ NARC COLLUDER AND PAID OFF LIAR
RATTING ON EVERYONE ELSE TO SAVE HIS OWN AZZ...

HEY ...MULLER...YOU "EX-FBI DIRECTOR OF THE MURDEROUS SPECIAL SURVEILLANCE GROUP DIVISION" THAT KILLED DOZENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT U.S. CITIZENS UNDER YOUR WATCH AND
FBI DIRECTORSHIP SERVICE YEARS...
( Which BTW ipso facto, makes you a premeditated first degree Murderer... MANY MANY TIMES OVER)

^^^ IF , WHICH HE DID ACTUALLY DO, FLYNN IS LYING NOW
LIKE HE DID THE FIRST TIME AROUND...WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE A GUY WHO I.S. A L.I.A.R. NOW????
JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH???

CUT ME A PHUUQIN' HUSK....

I NEVER BELIEVE PROVEN LIARS LIKE FLYNN AND FIRST DEGREE MURDERERS LIKE YOU ...MULLER...

YOU BOTH ARE FELONS & MORONS AND SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE.
Burner02 Offline
#123 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Ratings mean nothing, your post suggests otherwise. There is a lot of stupid **** that gets ratings Fox News not withstanding.


Sure it does, the reason you are keeping up with the Kardashian’s.
Burner02 Offline
#124 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:52 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So....checkers sell more than chess - is that your point?



Not really, it is clearly easy to see that there are way more low brow folks on the left than the right. Do the math, total the viewers for CNN, ABC, NBC and MSNBC vs FNC. The left wins hands down.

But what is really amazing is that you post an OP that is based on a lie and then you want to call the right out for allegedly doing what the left has done so well for the past nine years.

No wonder your party is in the **** and wondering in the desert.
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#125 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 9:10 PM EST
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^that is posted by someone who clearly doesbt understand deductive reasoning...

Probably can't handle math either.
Burner02 Offline
#126 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 9:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
^that is posted by someone who clearly doesbt understand deductive reasoning...

Probably can't handle math either.



^ this posted by a bigot that only sees his agenda.
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#127 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 10:41 PM EST
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None of what I stated was prejudiced in any way or agenda related.
My statement was based off the evidence of your poorly constructed logic and babble. Where have I provided you any evidence of bigotry or being only agenda driven?
Burner02 Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:20 AM EST
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125 was an assumption and 126 was fact based off of Brewha's assertion.


victor809 wrote:
None of what I stated was prejudiced in any way or agenda related.



I will give you that concerning your remarks in 125, but stand by my remarks based on many of your previous comments on this forum.
Speyside Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 9:54 AM EST
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Who doesn't have an agenda?
delta1 Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 6:02 PM EST
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(raises hand...meekly) You must not have seen me coming in...I need one to keep up with the rest of you...
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#131 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:23 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
125 was an assumption and 126 was fact based off of Brewha's assertion.

I will give you that concerning your remarks in 125, but stand by my remarks based on many of your previous comments on this forum.



125 wasn't an assumption. It was a clear conclusion from the posts above.

115 wrote:

So they are "low brow folks" because they don't agree with you and buy into the sewage spewed daily by the left and their many left leaning news outlets.

Just for the record:


Oct 31, 2017 - TV Newser

"Fox News won the cable news ratings war yet again.

The network defeated rivals CNN and MSNBC in total day and in prime time both in total viewers and A25-54 news demo in October 2017. This victory means that Fox News is the most-watched cable news network for a whopping 190 consecutive months.

Not only did Fox News defeat its cable news rivals, but it finished as basic cable’s most-watched network for the 16th consecutive month in total day. FNC finished No.2 in total prime time viewers across basic cable, falling short only to ESPN."


You try to make the argument that because more people view fox news, that it is somehow not "low brow". Note, there is no logical reason to assume that number of viewers is in any way linked to being "correct" or "not lowbrow" or any other characteristic other than "popular".

124 wrote:

Not really, it is clearly easy to see that there are way more low brow folks on the left than the right. Do the math, total the viewers for CNN, ABC, NBC and MSNBC vs FNC. The left wins hands down.


In this post, after Brew then stated "chess is more popular than checkers" you reverse your initial incorrect argument that (and I paraphrase) "fox is not low-brow because it's the most popular news network" (an incorrect logical conclusion) to now state that "the left is lowbrow because there are more total viewers for channels I deem to be the left equivalent of fox".

You make so many irrational assumptions in this quote that one doesn't really know where to start. But the clearest point is that you wrote two posts which state two completely opposite, and BOTH completely incorrect things.

It's almost amazing in its failure as an argument. Thus your failure in deductive reasoning.

You failed in the first post, because you incorrectly reasoned that popularity and "not lowbrow" correlate.
You failed in the second post by simply reversing your statement and reasoning that popularity and "low brow" correlate.
You failed in the entire thread because you posted both sides of that argument one after the other.

And that's ignoring the many logical missteps you made in even coming to those irrational conclusions.
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#132 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:26 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Who doesn't have an agenda?


Technically everyone. It's an amorphous statement used by politicians to demonize the other side. If you were to really drill down into what the speaker intends, you'd find that anyone and everyone has an agenda, including the speaker. They just want to claim the other side is the one with the agenda so you won't question what they're doing.
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#133 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:46 PM EST
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I wish my afternoon meeting had had an agenda. It was a meandering mess
Burner02 Offline
#134 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 1:10 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Who doesn't have an agenda?


Some more than others, guess you have not noticed.
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#135 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 1:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
125 wasn't an assumption. It was a clear conclusion from the posts above.



You try to make the argument that because more people view fox news, that it is somehow not "low brow". Note, there is no logical reason to assume that number of viewers is in any way linked to being "correct" or "not lowbrow" or any other characteristic other than "popular".



In this post, after Brew then stated "chess is more popular than checkers" you reverse your initial incorrect argument that (and I paraphrase) "fox is not low-brow because it's the most popular news network" (an incorrect logical conclusion) to now state that "the left is lowbrow because there are more total viewers for channels I deem to be the left equivalent of fox".

You make so many irrational assumptions in this quote that one doesn't really know where to start. But the clearest point is that you wrote two posts which state two completely opposite, and BOTH completely incorrect things.

It's almost amazing in its failure as an argument. Thus your failure in deductive reasoning.

You failed in the first post, because you incorrectly reasoned that popularity and "not lowbrow" correlate.
You failed in the second post by simply reversing your statement and reasoning that popularity and "low brow" correlate.
You failed in the entire thread because you posted both sides of that argument one after the other.

And that's ignoring the many logical missteps you made in even coming to those irrational conclusions.



Victor,
Once again you have confused me with someone that cares about your words or opinions. Just to make it perfectly clear again, I'm not that person.

I do feel somewhat sorry for you though if you are as big of "AH" in life as you are on this forum.

Maybe you should speed a little time in self reflection and less time spewing venom from the mountain top and looking down your nose at others.

Chill out, tis the season to be jolly?
teedubbya Offline
#136 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 2:59 PM EST
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LOL

ya be jolly you AH
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#137 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 3:10 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Victor,
Once again you have confused me with someone that cares about your words or opinions. Just to make it perfectly clear again, I'm not that person.

I do feel somewhat sorry for you though if you are as big of "AH" in life as you are on this forum.

Maybe you should speed a little time in self reflection and less time spewing venom from the mountain top and looking down your nose at others.

Chill out, tis the season to be jolly?



Perhaps if you didn't post two completely conflicting and both completely incorrect statements in an attempt to make an argument that one entire set of our population is "low class" I wouldn't have to correct your statements in a manner that apparently hurt your sensitive feelings.

As for the season... I stopped caring about christmas when I became an adult. It's another chunk of time people seem to want to not accomplish anything during. Why anyone would be jolly about that is beyond me.
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#138 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 8:08 PM EST
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Victor's gonna get visited by ghosts soon... Mellow
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#139 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 9:17 PM EST
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looking like Flynn made a great deal.
tailgater Offline
#140 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 9:51 PM EST
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What a difference a week makes.
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#141 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 10:09 PM EST
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It is difficult to keep up with everything happening politically.
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#142 Posted: Thu, Dec 7 2017, 10:18 PM EST
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Depending on who you listen to it never changes... Trump is bad... Hillary woulda done better..the resistance is strong... Mellow
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