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Global warming weather events
DrafterX Offline
#101 Posted:
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There are cave drawings and stuff... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#102 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
That was s result of the Neanderthals lighting dinosaur farts to stay warm... Mellow

That would explain air pollution as well.
Brewha Offline
#103 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
That was s result of the Neanderthals lighting dinosaur farts to stay warm... Mellow

I think there was like 65 million years between dinosaurs and Neandertals.....


so them was some old farts.....
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted:
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Mikey has an old fart in a jar...
victor809 Offline
#105 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I think there was like 65 million years between dinosaurs and Neandertals.....


so them was some old farts.....


You forget... there are morons who think there's only 6 days separating them at most. ... and all just a few thousand years ago.
Kawaksback Offline
#106 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I think there was like 65 million years between dinosaurs and Neandertals.....


so them was some old farts.....


Wasn't that back when Alamorus Goremagnamus was running around touting something about no more snow?
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted:
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He was just kiddin... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#108 Posted:
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Kawaksback wrote:
Wasn't that back when Alamorus Goremagnamus was running around touting something about no more snow?

He was a contemporary of Biggus Dickus.

Not exactly upper Creataceous....
Kawaksback Offline
#109 Posted:
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Ancient Chinee proverb. Consensus say

A broad survey of climate change literature for 2017 reveals that the alleged “consensus” behind the dangers of anthropogenic global warming is not nearly as settled among climate scientists as people imagine.
Author Kenneth Richard found that during the course of the year 2017, at least 485 scientific papers were published that in some way questioned the supposed consensus regarding the perils of human CO2 emissions or the efficacy of climate models to predict the future.

According to Richard’s analysis, the 485 new papers underscore the “significant limitations and uncertainties inherent in our understanding of climate and climate changes,” which in turn suggests that climate science is not nearly as settled as media reports and some policymakers would have people believe.

Richard broke the skeptical positions into four main categories, with each of the individual papers expounding at least one of these positions, and sometimes more.


The first position attributes greater weight to the role of natural mechanisms in changes to the climate system than are acknowledged by climate alarmists, while giving correspondingly less importance to the influence of increased CO2 concentrations on climatic changes. Over 100 of these papers, for instance, examine the substantial solar influence on climate and weather, such as temperature variations and precipitation patterns.

The second position questions the allegedly “unprecedented” nature of modern climate phenomena such as warming, sea levels, glacier and sea ice retreat, and hurricane and drought intensities. Thirteen of the papers suggested that these events fall within the range of natural variability, while 38 found an absence of significant anthropogenic causality in rising sea levels.

The third position casts doubt upon the efficacy and reliability of computer climate models for projecting future climate states, suggesting that such predictions are “little more than speculation” given the enormous uncertainty and margins of error in a non-linear climate system with nearly infinite variables. Twenty-eight of the articles in question examined climate model unreliability, including factual errors and the influence of biases, while an additional 12 found no net global warming during the 20th/21st century.

The fourth position questioned the effectiveness of current policies aimed at curbing emissions and pushing renewable energy, finding them both ineffective and even harmful to the environment. This position also offered a more sanguine evaluation of the projected effects of elevated atmospheric CO2 and a warmer climate, questioning doomsday scenarios and proposing net benefits to the biosphere such as a greener planet and enhanced crop yields.

In this category, 12 of the papers documented the failures of policies targeting renewable energy and climate, 8 contended that wind power is harming the environment and biosphere, 13 argued that elevated CO2 levels make for a greener planet with higher crop yields, and 5 proposed that warming is beneficial to both humans and wildlife.

All of these factors, Richard declares, substantially undermine the claims of climate alarmists that scientific opinion on climate change is “settled enough” and that “the time for debate has ended.”

The articles, in fact, are not written by uninformed “climate deniers,” but by serious scientists who believe that the true nature of scientific inquiry is not to bow to some proposed “dogma”—especially where significant ideological, political and economic interests are at play—but to see where the facts lead on their own.



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HuckFinn Offline
#110 Posted:
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Kawaksback wrote:
Ancient Chinee proverb. Consensus say

A broad survey of climate change literature for 2017 reveals that the alleged “consensus” behind the dangers of anthropogenic global warming is not nearly as settled among climate scientists as people imagine.
Author Kenneth Richard found that during the course of the year 2017, at least 485 scientific papers were published that in some way questioned the supposed consensus regarding the perils of human CO2 emissions or the efficacy of climate models to predict the future.

According to Richard’s analysis, the 485 new papers underscore the “significant limitations and uncertainties inherent in our understanding of climate and climate changes,” which in turn suggests that climate science is not nearly as settled as media reports and some policymakers would have people believe.

Richard broke the skeptical positions into four main categories, with each of the individual papers expounding at least one of these positions, and sometimes more.


The first position attributes greater weight to the role of natural mechanisms in changes to the climate system than are acknowledged by climate alarmists, while giving correspondingly less importance to the influence of increased CO2 concentrations on climatic changes. Over 100 of these papers, for instance, examine the substantial solar influence on climate and weather, such as temperature variations and precipitation patterns.

The second position questions the allegedly “unprecedented” nature of modern climate phenomena such as warming, sea levels, glacier and sea ice retreat, and hurricane and drought intensities. Thirteen of the papers suggested that these events fall within the range of natural variability, while 38 found an absence of significant anthropogenic causality in rising sea levels.

The third position casts doubt upon the efficacy and reliability of computer climate models for projecting future climate states, suggesting that such predictions are “little more than speculation” given the enormous uncertainty and margins of error in a non-linear climate system with nearly infinite variables. Twenty-eight of the articles in question examined climate model unreliability, including factual errors and the influence of biases, while an additional 12 found no net global warming during the 20th/21st century.

The fourth position questioned the effectiveness of current policies aimed at curbing emissions and pushing renewable energy, finding them both ineffective and even harmful to the environment. This position also offered a more sanguine evaluation of the projected effects of elevated atmospheric CO2 and a warmer climate, questioning doomsday scenarios and proposing net benefits to the biosphere such as a greener planet and enhanced crop yields.

In this category, 12 of the papers documented the failures of policies targeting renewable energy and climate, 8 contended that wind power is harming the environment and biosphere, 13 argued that elevated CO2 levels make for a greener planet with higher crop yields, and 5 proposed that warming is beneficial to both humans and wildlife.

All of these factors, Richard declares, substantially undermine the claims of climate alarmists that scientific opinion on climate change is “settled enough” and that “the time for debate has ended.”

The articles, in fact, are not written by uninformed “climate deniers,” but by serious scientists who believe that the true nature of scientific inquiry is not to bow to some proposed “dogma”—especially where significant ideological, political and economic interests are at play—but to see where the facts lead on their own.



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Fact Check Science
Did 58 Scientific Papers Published in 2017 Say Global Warming is a Myth?
An article on Breitbart News used flawed interpretations from a climate skeptic blog to amplify a grossly inaccurate understanding of climatological research.

CLAIM
A total of 58 peer-reviewed papers published in the first half of 2017 conclude that global warming is a myth.

RATING
FALSE
ORIGIN
On 6 June 2017, Breitbart News ran an article titled “‘Global Warming’ Is a Myth, Say 58 Scientific Papers in 2017”. This article, which is in essence merely a link to a post from a blog that goes by the name “No Tricks Zone” and some added musings on “grant-troughing scientists,” “huxter politicians,” “scaremongering green activists,” and “brainwashed mainstream media environmental correspondents,” claims that this ragtag collection of studies proves that the long-standing scientific consensus on climate change is nothing but a myth.

The blog post Breitbart linked to is a list of 80 graphs (so many graphs!) taken from 58 studies. The analysis of the findings presented by No Tricks Zone is crude, misinformed, and riddled with errors.

The basic thesis presented by No Tricks Zone is that these graphs, which are inferred records of things like temperature and precipitation from specific localities through time, show that the climatological changes happening right now are neither dramatic nor man made. The charts highlight times from the somewhat recent pre-industrial past that were either warmer or more dramatically variable then they are now, or show evidence of change attributed to clear natural causes. As Breitbart puts it:

What all these papers argue in their different ways is that the alarmist version of global warming — aka Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) — is a fake artefact.
This is false. We reached out to many of the authors of the studies included on this list via email to see if they agreed with Breitbart and No Tricks Zone’s analysis. While not everyone we reached out to responded, not a single researcher that we spoke to agreed with Breitbart’s assessment, and most were shocked when we told them that their work was presented as evidence for that claim.

A representative response came from Paul Mayewski, author of one of the studies included on the No Tricks Zone list and director of the University of Maine’s Climate Change Institute:

They are absolutely incorrect!!!! Quite the opposite, the paper deals with the impacts of greenhouse gas warming and Antarctic ozone depletion — both human caused — and describes future scenarios. Yet another example of downright lies.
Outside of the fact that all of these papers have squiggly lines that represent climatological change through time, they cover a diverse range of highly technical topics and have little in common with each other. In many cases, listed studies are applicable only to a very specific region and were created not to investigate the influence of humans on climate, but to understand how the climate system works in general.

This was the case for University of Washington PhD candidate Bradley Markle, whose paper (“Global Atmospheric Teleconnections During Dansgaard-Oeschger Events”) was also included in the No Tricks Zone:

My study, and almost all I saw mentioned on the blog post, are studies of climate change in the past. My study investigates connections between different parts of the climate system during climate events that happened over 10,000 years ago. Studying climate change in the past can provide context for recent climate change. However, my study in no way investigates or tries to attribute the causes of recent climate change. It does not deal with human influences on climate at all.
This echoes the response of USGS research scientist Julie Richey, whose paper (“Multi-Species Coral Sr/Ca-based Sea-Surface Temperature Reconstruction Using Orbicella Faveolata and Siderastrea Siderea from the Florida Straits”) really resonated with the Breitbart science desk:

Our paper presents a 280-year sea surface temperature record based on the ratio of strontium to calcium in corals we sampled in the Dry Tortugas National Park. It shows that sea surface temperatures measured over many decades in the Florida Straits are variable, and that variation has been dominated for nearly the past three centuries by a natural oscillation called the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation. […] Neither of these findings refutes the role of anthropogenic activity in global climate change.
Many researchers told us that, even by the crude metrics of the No Tricks Zone post, and even without intending to address anthropogenic climate change in their research, their papers’ data actually support anthropogenically driven recent warming. This was the case for Claremont McKenna professor Branwen Williams, whose paper (“North Pacific 20th Century Decadal-Scale Variability Is Unique for the Past 342 Years”) was featured:

I do not agree with this assessment of my work. The seawater temperature data clearly show a warming.
In other cases it appears that the analysis provided by the author of the No Tricks Zone post was so superficial that the graphs pulled from some studies were not actually part of any new dataset, but comparison datasets from earlier studies. Geologist Fatima Abrantes’ paper “Historical Climate off the Atlantic Iberian Peninsula” fell victim to this oversight:

The article on Breitbart.com is so bad that the author did not even realize that the figure extracted from my paper is not my new data record but the record of the northern Spain atmospheric temperature anomaly, produced by [another group in 2011] that I have used for comparison. […] [Our] results agree with both the global and regional projections that indicate this region of Europe with highest potential vulnerability in regard to current global warming.
These charts, when accurately cited, provide ammunition against two clearly false straw man arguments invented by No Tricks Zone: 1) That climatic change happens in concert and in the same way uniformly around the globe, and that 2) evidence of any natural force influencing climate is — at the same time — also evidence against the notion that humans are playing a role in current climatic change. The fact that the 1257 Samalas eruption altered grape harvests, as one study in the post demonstrated, does not mean humans cannot also alter climate, as the No Trick Zone post implied.

We rank the claims made by both Breitbart and No Tricks Zone as false, because they dramatically misrepresent the findings of the scientists who conducted the research and utilize poorly-articulated straw man arguments to further misrepresent the significance of the work of those scientists. These studies were local in nature, narrow in scope, meant to address how the climate system functioned in the past, and pose no threat to the tenets of anthropogenic climate change.

Global warming, as implied by the name, is a global process. That does not, however, mean that every part of the globe reacts to this process in the same way or at the same rate, or even at all. Richey, the author of the USGS Florida sea-surface temperature record, succinctly described this fallacy:

Anthropogenic climate change is characterized by variable climate responses across the globe. No climate record taken at a single point in space is representative of the global climate.


For every yin there is a yang
(Not an ancient Chinese proverb)






Brewha Offline
#111 Posted:
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In fairness, explaing greenhouse warming, data analytics or even historical temperate data to knuck draggers is a waist of time.

These are the people that think they solve world hunger by eating a sandwich. No, they will not be proving their view by doing a Lorentz transformation any time soon. Their views are based in emotion and directed hear say. Change the infrared refraction index of earth with pollution? No way man Not talking

But we have to try.....
victor809 Offline
#112 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
In fairness, explaing greenhouse warming, data analytics or even historical temperate data to knuck draggers is a waist of time.



Brew.... I like ya and all... but it undermines your point to call someone a knuckle dragger and misspell "waste" at the same time.....
bgz Offline
#113 Posted:
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... and misspell knuckle to boot.
victor809 Offline
#114 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
... and misspell knuckle to boot.


I assumed that was shorthand... or slang...
Brewha Offline
#115 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Brew.... I like ya and all... but it undermines your point to call someone a knuckle dragger and misspell "waste" at the same time.....

Dyslexia and an Apple spell checker are a butch.

But, let not pretend that many understand the point I’m making in the first place.....
Brewha Offline
#116 Posted:
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And if we all waited for engineers to learn how to spell we would never have planes.....

I mean like air planes.
Not like prairie planes.
victor809 Offline
#117 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
And if we all waited for engineers to learn how to spell we would never have planes.....

I mean like air planes.
Not like prairie plains.


goddammit

(but yes, I know that spelling has nothing to do with statistical understanding)
Brewha Offline
#118 Posted:
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Oh, in #115, make that “bitch”.
bgz Offline
#119 Posted:
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In other news, these new guys are worse than drafter with their copy/paste jobs.
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted:
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I was hoping you meant butch
HuckFinn Offline
#121 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
In other news, these new guys are worse than drafter with their copy/paste jobs.

Figured you have to fight c&p with c&p
Sorry?
bgz Offline
#122 Posted:
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You should be sorry, cluttering up our boards with walls of text we have to scroll through to get to the next meaningful comment.

Nobody reads the chit you copy and paste unless Drafter posted it or it's the OP.

Post a link next time noob.
HuckFinn Offline
#123 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
You should be sorry, cluttering up our boards with walls of text we have to scroll through to get to the next meaningful comment.

Nobody reads the chit you copy and paste unless Drafter posted it or it's the OP.

Post a link next time noob.

I read what I c&p.
Oh and screw you. Don't need your freaking permission.
Grow an attention span.

RMAN4443 Offline
#124 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
goddammit

(but yes, I know that spelling has nothing to do with statistical understanding)

But under no circumstances should you ever mistype "your " when you actually mean "you're" Shame on you
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