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Are they teaching students that the majority are racist? I hope not. I can see value in this course if it is kept within the proper context. There is much that can be learned from historical and current forms of racism. From a PC standpoint, it would've been smarter to just have a "Racism" class and cover it from all viewpoints and races. Maybe they felt there was enough material on "white racism" that it needed its own course? Ha!

Ya, I don't think that's true either. We have a genetic disposition towards not trusting anyone that is different than us. For most of history, that trait is what kept people alive... this whole don't be racist movement is a relatively new phenomenon and hasn't had a chance to work it's way into our genome yet.

Give it another 10k years and it might work it's way into our genetic code.

If we are going by the definition of a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another, then I agree.

bias and prejudice rule the world...............look at it like this, Ford/Chevy, Padron/CAO, mountains /ocean, black/white, coffee/tea, or the way some of you refer to the orange headed cheeto liar ...........would it have been acceptable to refer to Obummer as that black nappy headed big eared liar????????.........talk amongst yourselves


It's not white/black, Mexican/Canadian, baked/mashed..........everyone has their own prejudices, and don't they think they do..............they rant about the orange headed cheeto and then point their fingers and call others racists and then feel superior about it


Deal with it..........Rant over

Buncha whiny pansies who want to be victims.

I wouldn’t be so hard on the folks in here. They only have the title and not the content to go on. Anytime anybody says something about racism they automatically assume it’s an attack on them.

Padron. And that's not prejudice; that's equity.

I guess I don't spend enough time with CNN to be up on the lingo


I have trouble getting past the first sentence, where he suggests that he's searching for some 'truth'....lol


What does it mean to be 'racialized as white'?


And what do you suppose he 'means' when he suggests that some white people might even be anti-racist?

I'll give you this one. That's a bs statement.... I'm gonna guess that the class is part of a philosophy or sociology department... they like to pretend they're searching for truth in evertyhing.... there's a reason they end up working at mcdonalds.


Ummmm..... be white? I don't see how that is confusing.
I think that some people who think about it much more than you or I do have started trying to specify the idea of being "racialized" as X because one's race and the public perception (and therefore public reaction) of one's race may be different. A very light skinned black guy may be "racialized as white" because racists don't know to hate him..... That's what I assumed he's talking about anyway.




...I don't see where this is a confusion at all. Do you like racist people, the KKK, Nazis, Asian grandmothers (yes I know this statement itself is racist, but I'm in the middle of organizing a wedding where some percentage of the people are old, very racist and very homophobic asians... and other are gay and/or black)? If you don't like racist people and policies... you might be anti-racist.

So other than a fluff statement at the beginning I don't see where there is confusion

To me the term white racism as this class title implies that white people as a whole are racist. The reason I feel this way in this circumstance is the term radicalized white. Would this not imply all white people? This simply isn't true. I am sure there are white racists, I am sure there has been governmental racism throughout our history, I am sure also that many white people abhore racism. Dave I do disagree with you. I think most white people are not racist. Though not a word it seems to me that way to many people are whiteophobes. I dare not call them racists, since we know that only white people can be racists.

I don't think the course says anything about "radicalized" whites....

And the term white racism doesn't suggest to me that all whites are racist... and he doesn't say that anywhere in the description of the class (he even says the opposite). Is it possible you are being overly sensitive here?

Wow...what a surprise after eight very long and nauseous years of everything being weighed along racial lines by our first 1/2 black president we find this surprising??? HUH

Curious, I looked at how the German people grappled with the Holocaust post ww2 as compared with how Americans did regarding post-slavery.
Here's one link I liked:
https://aeon.co/essays/dare-we-compare-american-slavery-to-the-holocaust

A lot of comparisons online. Interesting, to me anyway.
One thing seems central to most of what I found: Germans were and remain, by and large very remorseful. 2nd generation Germans say while not accepting guilt (their parents were complicit, not them) they accept responsibility. They still prosecute Nazi soldiers even if they were simply guards doing their job!

Really different here. For years after slaves were freed they were srill treated beyond poorly,
especially in the south. The Black Codes for instance, laws granting certain legal rights to blacks, including the right to marry, own property, and sue in court, also made it illegal for blacks to serve on juries, testify against whites, or serve in state militias. The Black Codes also required black sharecroppers and tenant farmers to sign annual labor contracts with white landowners. If they refused they could be arrested and hired out for work.

Jews were compensated for property after the war. Holocaust survivors have over the years relieved something like 85 billion bucks. Not much they can do to bring back the dead, I mean the murdered.

So my point. We, Americans, never really addressed what happened to these displaced Africans. We kidnapped them, treated them like chit when they were slaves, and when forced to stop, hung on to our attitudes of superiority and hatred. Blacks were suddenly free, but in a country they didn't know or choose.
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/ap-us-history/period-5/apush-reconstruction/a/life-after-slavery

Anyway, interesting, to me....maybe we need to figure out how to put this behind us. And by us I mean black as well as white Americans. It ain't gonna fix itself, right?

Quick search'll tell ya we did kill millions of slaves. Over a million committed suicide coming over on ships.

My point is our nation conscience lacks real remorse.

... I think you just kinda proved his point...

There are white racists. That does not equate to all whites are racist. Slavery was wrong. I do not feel personal guilt for slavery. Huck, why should I feel personally guilty for slavery.

I'm not saying we should feel guilty. We didn't do anything wrong. I'm saging I think we need to take responsibility. Talk about this stain. Find common ground etc

My initial thought was 'idiot', also....but I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd....


I'm going to go with sort of a neo-liberal who half-grasps some of the talking points, but some sort of deep sense of ....idk...maybe it is white guilt?...some deep sense that anyone tending right must be educated....Huck, are you now, or were you recently a student at a US post-secondary school?

And therein lies the chasm that won't be bridged...at least not here on cbid. Those of us who disagree with you ....or maybe I shouldn't speak for everyone..... I will never be convinced that I should take responsibility for something when even YOU acknowledge I didn't do anything wrong.

Don't worry, Huck.

White guilt is nothing more than trying to get others to share your own personal inadequacies.
It's like white supremacists or members of NAMBLA.
Freaks feel better when surrounded by other like-minded freaks.

I understand what you're saying Huck. Don't expect any introspection from the peanut gallery.

I get it.
But we're stuck.
Someone, probably white people have to start a conversation.

I'm not telling you how to feel or what to do.
I'm telling you to stop projecting your guilty feelings onto me. Onto America.

Germany moved on? Maybe you should do the same.

What if we do everything you want us to do. And America turns that invisible corner and race relations become "peachy" overnight.
You might rejoice.
But then what if some other person with even MORE self guilt tells you it's not enough?
You have to do more.
Because THEY still have a puckered sphincter over it.

Stop.
Just stop.

It will ALWAYS be a problem as long as we have people like you convincing people it's a problem.

If your grandfather, father or your son committed a really horrific violent crime, you wouldn't feel even a drop of responsibility? Not saying guilt. You didn't do the crime. No, eh? You wouldn't feel obliged to apologize to the victims family, or anything, make any sort of gesture, statement, nothing? you'd shrug it off?...wasn't me..so..
...nothing?
So regarding any white responsibilty for crimes against 15 million blacks, (you guys have any clue what we put them through? Oh right. What's done is done) because it was so many generations ago and ancient history, fk em? (Why dont we ask them if they need some sort of sincere, public apology? See what they say)
But in the meantime, fk the American Indians! Actually, let's take back the reservations!
Too far?

To me, it's arrogance and shortsightedness that doesn't permit some white people to see this fact the while we, living white folks, didn't perpetrate the crimes against black people, that they, black people, might still hold us accountable.

Isn't the mother of a murdered child likely to hate the entire family of the murderer? Yep.

Not a big deal.