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Gene363 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 4:55 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCGtxeknSg&feature=youtu.be

Squatter camps along the Santa Anna river.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 5:22 PM EST
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Homelessness is a severe problem in nearly every California city...there's talk in LA about using trailers to house the homeless to reduce the numbers of tents along many downtown streets and freeway underpasses, in addition to those along riverbeds.
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 6:55 PM EST
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I see those every morning when I drop the woman off in Oakland. Much more dense than that, built up on the roads under the overpass and BART. The encampments are much denser though, no space between tents (or makeshift tent from tarps) and they take up the entire sidewalk and frequently one lane of traffic as well. I'm not kidding, the tent entrances are right at the edge of the sidewalk, so to keep from getting hit by traffic when they get out of their tent, they put a couple orange cones in the street. Then, as weeks go by with no traffic in that lane they start throwing trash/junk/bikes in the lane until the entire lane of traffic is just detritus .

Every now and then one of the tents will burn down, so you'll see a charred sidewalk between two tents.

I was thinking of heading out there on a weekend to take photos, but didn't want to waste my day. They've cleaned up the area I'm driving through this past week, moved them a few blocks up... so it will be a little while until it builds up again.
JGKAMIN Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 8:26 PM EST
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I was out there over the holidays and could’ve sworn it seemed like a whole tent city set up in the parking lot of the Angels baseball stadium.
bgz Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 8:44 PM EST
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Well, if all the wealthy hardcore left coast elites want to re-distribute their wealth, this would be a good place for them to open their wallets.

Wait, they want to re-distribute other people's wealth, not theirs, nm, won't work.
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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when in San Diego a year ago November, the number of homeless was a real eye opener.
I'm sure the weather makes it a magnet for those living in the streets, many would have died without shelters in Boston this Winter, and yet many refuse the help.

Startling how the number increased when budget cuts forced closings of State Mental Hospitals.
jetblasted Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jan 17 2018, 11:15 PM EST
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For years at the Airport, especially during winter, the homeless will take the Marta train from downtown to the airport. It’s a big building, with conditioned air, food & water, and offers lots of mischief for the so inclined. Airport Police would always round them up & boot them out of the airport every day at 6am. “Would”, being past-tense.

Supposedly one of the Atlanta homeless shelters recently closed. I had been wondering why there was a spike in homeless sightings lately. The amount of “crazy” has spiked, too. Apparently the outgoing mayor has instructed airport police to keep a hands-off policy.

Just last week Airport Police were called because a woman took a dump curbside by the skycap counter. She was seen in the back of a cruiser being driven away. A few hours later, she came dancing by our “first class” ticket counter, singing, “Nah ne Nah ne Nah, Nah”.

Thanks, Kasseem !!
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 3:28 PM EST
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Many of the homeless in California have migrated from other parts of the country, where the climate and hospitality is less "favorable," including from states where the people look down upon CA for our homeless problem...some are victims of the Great Recession who haven't been able to recover...

I read an article by a social worker who has studied the homeless...many choose the lifestyle once they've endured it for awhile...

some compassionate CA cities are trying to find alternative housing among many solutions to help the homeless, while other intolerant CA cities choose a law enforcement response by ordering the homeless to move or be arrested for trespassing or loitering and ultimately results in the confiscation and/or destruction of property...those evicted end up at the more compassionate places...

kind of ironic how one of the wealthiest places in the world can't muster the compassion to help some of its neediest poor people...but the more I hang out with cons, the more I'm starting to hate the homeless...I've stopped throwing coins into the hands of the hoboes who hang out at freeway exits...
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 5:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:


Startling how the number increased when budget cuts forced closings of State Mental Hospitals.



I'm sure all those homeless peoples are dead by now... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 5:39 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm sure all those homeless peoples are dead by now... Mellow


Gonna have to agree with drafter... A lot of the homeless I see are in their 20s/30s... no way they're from that fiasco
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 5:46 PM EST
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A fun story...

So SF of course has a mess of a homeless problem. Also has a parking issue...

My father was visiting over thanksgiving, and one afternoon the woman, my father and I were going for Pho. Now the best pho restaurants are in the TL, one of the classically bad neighborhoods. We used to live in this neighborhood, until we moved 2 years ago.

So we circle around the area of the restaurant and finally find a parking spot. But there' a homeless dude sitting on the curb there, sleeve rolled up, elastic around his bicep and a needle in his elbow. But, there was no other parking, so I edged the car halfway into the spot to hold it, and we all sat there and waited in the car while he verrryyyy slowly finished shooting up and moved off the curb.
HuckFinn Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 6:04 PM EST
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Informative article about the problem with a proposed possible solution:
something called Housing First.

For around $46 a year per person they claim homelessness could be eradicated (?)


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-bad-is-homelessness-in-america-really_us_58f6916de4b0c892a4fb736f
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
A fun story...

So SF of course has a mess of a homeless problem. Also has a parking issue...

My father was visiting over thanksgiving, and one afternoon the woman, my father and I were going for Pho. Now the best pho restaurants are in the TL, one of the classically bad neighborhoods. We used to live in this neighborhood, until we moved 2 years ago.

So we circle around the area of the restaurant and finally find a parking spot. But there' a homeless dude sitting on the curb there, sleeve rolled up, elastic around his bicep and a needle in his elbow. But, there was no other parking, so I edged the car halfway into the spot to hold it, and we all sat there and waited in the car while he verrryyyy slowly finished shooting up and moved off the curb.

that was a fun story.
how was the pho?
MACS Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 6:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:

kind of ironic how one of the wealthiest places in the world can't muster the compassion to help some of its neediest poor people...but the more I hang out with cons, the more I'm starting to hate the homeless...I've stopped throwing coins into the hands of the hoboes who hang out at freeway exits...


Work in a jail for a week. These 'homeless' people are usually drug addicts whose own families have had enough of their bs and don't want them around anymore. You want a homeless shelter built anywhere around where you live?

I don't.
HuckFinn Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 7:31 PM EST
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Ya right. I'd rather be the president of the Hillary Clinton fan club than the guy in charge of fixing this. But it's getting worse.
Can hardly walk a block in nyc without seeing people sleeping on the sidewalk.
Don't do anything about it and it's just going to get worse.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 8:01 PM EST
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Well, since Trump cut taxes for the corporations there will be hundreds of thousands of new jobs soon.. just give it time... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 8:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, since Trump cut taxes for the corporations there will be hundreds of thousands of new jobs soon.. just give it time... Mellow


for the chinese.... or machines, sure....
JGKAMIN Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 9:18 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Work in a jail for a week. These 'homeless' people are usually drug addicts whose own families have had enough of their bs and don't want them around anymore. You want a homeless shelter built anywhere around where you live?

I don't.

Exactly. There’s shelters out there and churchs will help get you pointed in the right direction, but the problem is many of these people are drunks/addicts and won’t follow the house rules.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 9:39 PM EST
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Do any other countries offer a immigration lottery thing..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 10:17 PM EST
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I dunno but I did play the lottery today.
banderl Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 10:27 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
I dunno but I did play the lottery today.



Good luck, hope that you win an immigrant.
8trackdisco Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 10:36 PM EST
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Our homeless freeze to death. Keeps the numbers down.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 18 2018, 10:52 PM EST
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Think
Soylent Green.... Think
RMAN4443 Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 2:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
Soylent Green.... Think

Soylent Green is FOOD Anxious
jjanecka Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 8:13 AM EST
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We had a kid come through our church raising money to make sandwiches for skid row.
HuckFinn Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 8:18 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
Soylent Green.... Think

Whoa. I say nyc and you say Soylent Green, a move with Charlton Heston from 1973?

San Antonio.
HuckFinn Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 8:26 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
Soylent Green.... Think

Oh. Just read the plot line. You're, uh, suggesting a solution to homelessness.

I, on behalf of NYC, apologize.

You scare me.
SteveS Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 9:05 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Startling how the number increased when budget cuts forced closings of State Mental Hospitals.

DrafterX wrote:
I'm sure all those homeless peoples are dead by now...

victor809 wrote:
Gonna have to agree with drafter... A lot of the homeless I see are in their 20s/30s... no way they're from that fiasco


It's not that more than a very few (if any) of those currently homeless are FROM the time of those closings ... a great many ARE, however, on the street due to the lack of mental health facilities which they need ...
HuckFinn Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 9:16 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Our homeless freeze to death. Keeps the numbers down.

"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
TMCTLT Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 9:44 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."





Hey De Blasio....that you man? How many of those good people do YOU have living with you? Just curious
HuckFinn Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 10:01 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Hey De Blasio....that you man? How many of those good people do YOU have living with you? Just curious

Why is it when difficult issues and ideas are being discussed you get so uncomfortable?

I think you are very likely a closet liberal. Maybe? Just maybe...? Awwww..

Now put that poo down Roy Cohn.
cacman Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 10:08 AM EST
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We have very few homeless and vagrants in our community. The policy is for police to pick them up, buy them a bus ticket, and ship them out (guessing to California LOL). The multi-millionaire home-owners and ski bums don't like the site of them. And there is concern about how their presence will effect tourism.

My wife used to treat a few when she worked community health in the adjacent County. A number of them live in the caves left from the Native American tribes that used to be here.
TMCTLT Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 10:30 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Why is it when difficult issues and ideas are being discussed you get so uncomfortable?

I think you are very likely a closet liberal. Maybe? Just maybe...? Awwww..

Now put that poo down Roy Cohn.







It isn't difficult to understand why cities like NYC and SF are the way they are....they leave themselves wide open for it with their sanctuary cities who'll provide endless social welfare and pay for it with transfer of OTHER FOLKS WEALTH to re-distribute to the " needy ".


SO none? Already knew that though...and the question wasn't difficult, just yes or no.
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#34 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 11:37 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
It isn't difficult to understand why cities like NYC and SF are the way they are....they leave themselves wide open for it with their sanctuary cities who'll provide endless social welfare and pay for it with transfer of OTHER FOLKS WEALTH to re-distribute to the " needy ".


SO none? Already knew that though...and the question wasn't difficult, just yes or no.


that doesn't even begin to make sense...

you claim that sf and nyc are overrun with homeless because they redistribute the wealth to the poor... then why are they still homeless?

I mean, if they're redistributing wealth, what do the homeless people do with the bags of money that robin hood keeps dropping off to them each night?

are they re-redistibuting it to illegal immigrants? that would be the only way I could make sense of your mention of "sanctuary cities" since homelessness and immigration have no tangible link to one another...
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 11:53 AM EST
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They buy crack and stuff... Mellow
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#36 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:27 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
It isn't difficult to understand why cities like NYC and SF are the way they are....they leave themselves wide open for it with their sanctuary cities who'll provide endless social welfare and pay for it with transfer of OTHER FOLKS WEALTH to re-distribute to the " needy ".


SO none? Already knew that though...and the question wasn't difficult, just yes or no.

Not a big believer in Christian charity, eh? Your choice. Homelessness is largely symptomatic of problems with us, our society. *ducks tomatoes
In all likelihood these people were once happy kids. So, given what we know about them now, if we'd the option, when they were still in the womb should they have been aborted? *guessing you said no there cause babies are more valuable than grownups, right? * cabbage now
Most cities have limited bus and train routes to their neighboring suburbs. The homeless are essentially trapped in urban areas.They have no insurance and depend on Medicaid/Medicare which is readily accepted at county (urban) hospitals. Also, city cops are more tolerant than suburban cops. So your suburb is safe. Take a deep breath.

Finally, is your reasoning so simplistic (aka Trumpian) that you actually think anything short of opening my doors to homeless folks makes it hypocritical for me to post an excerpt from A Christmas Carol signifying my sentiments? And btw, do you really have No compassion for these sick/destitute people? Again, your choice.
So my volunteering at soup kitchens, mentoring kids, and charitable donations don't count. Wait! You're not homeless, are ya?..Maybe I should reconsider...?...ok, nah. *locks door
Yeah, I don't know how to solve homelessness but I DO know it's not simple (Trumpian) and I sure as hell know I don't want YOU in charge of it especially now as I hear the actual gas chambers from Auschwitz are on sale at Ebay.

RMAN4443 Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
They buy crack and stuff... Mellow

Hookers???????Anxious
opelmanta1900 Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:29 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
They buy crack and stuff... Mellow



so the rich do all the hard work and earn all the money...

the city of sf then takes that money and gives it to homeless people...

the homeless people then take that money and give it to crack dealers in exchange for drugs...

the crack dealers then sink those proceeds back into the economy by spending needlessly on things like expensive vehicles with flashy rims, big screen tv's, and fur coats...

sounds like trickle down economics to me...
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#39 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:35 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
so the rich do all the hard work and earn all the money...

the city of sf then takes that money and gives it to homeless people...

the homeless people then take that money and give it to crack dealers in exchange for drugs...

the crack dealers then sink those proceeds back into the economy by spending needlessly on things like expensive vehicles with flashy rims, big screen tv's, and fur coats...

sounds like trickle down economics to me...

Does that actually work?
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#40 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:38 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Not a big believer in Christian charity, eh? Your choice. Homelessness is largely symptomatic of problems with us, our society. *ducks tomatoes
In all likelihood these people were once happy kids. So, given what we know about them now, if we'd the option, when they were still in the womb should they have been aborted? *guessing you said no there cause babies are more valuable than grownups, right? * cabbage now
Most cities have limited bus and train routes to their neighboring suburbs. The homeless are essentially trapped in urban areas.They have no insurance and depend on Medicaid/Medicare which is readily accepted at county (urban) hospitals. Also, city cops are more tolerant than suburban cops. So your suburb is safe. Take a deep breath.

Finally, is your reasoning so simplistic (aka Trumpian) that you actually think anything short of opening my doors to homeless folks makes it hypocritical for me to post an excerpt from A Christmas Carol signifying my sentiments? And btw, do you really have No compassion for these sick/destitute people? Again, your choice.
So my volunteering at soup kitchens, mentoring kids, and charitable donations don't count. Wait! You're not homeless, are ya?..Maybe I should reconsider...?...ok, nah. *locks door
Yeah, I don't know how to solve homelessness but I DO know it's not simple (Trumpian) and I sure as hell know I don't want YOU in charge of it especially now as I hear the actual gas chambers from Auschwitz are on sale at Ebay.



Soup kitchens.
Auschwitz gas chambers.

What are you? The soup nazi?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:42 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Does that actually work?

not so much for the crack addicts... and robin hood doesn't get much other than a good feeling... the crack dealers love it...
HuckFinn Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:49 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Soup kitchens.
Auschwitz gas chambers.

What are you? The soup nazi?



No soup for you!
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:54 PM EST
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SteveS wrote:
It's not that more than a very few (if any) of those currently homeless are FROM the time of those closings ... a great many ARE, however, on the street due to the lack of mental health facilities which they need ...



fog ... exactly...
delta1 Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 12:57 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
so the rich do all the hard work and earn all the money...

the city of sf then takes that money and gives it to homeless people...

the homeless people then take that money and give it to crack dealers in exchange for drugs...

the crack dealers then sink those proceeds back into the economy by spending needlessly on things like expensive vehicles with flashy rims, big screen tv's, and fur coats...

sounds like trickle down economics to me...



great post, except the highlighted words are a bit of a stretch...
frankj1 Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 1:54 PM EST
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SteveS wrote:
It's not that more than a very few (if any) of those currently homeless are FROM the time of those closings ... a great many ARE, however, on the street due to the lack of mental health facilities which they need ...

exactly.
the funds that were cut from the budget were never reinstated.
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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They prolly spent the funds on beer... Beer
victor809 Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 4:39 PM EST
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Anyone who whines and complains about cities like NYC and SF having a homeless problem because of their "endless social welfare" and hasn't themselves killed a homeless person is just flapping their lips.

If you aren't willing to find a way to help them, and you aren't willing to kill them off, then you're just a whiny part of the problem.
frankj1 Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 4:41 PM EST
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I can live with that
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 4:57 PM EST
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True.. true.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Jan 19 2018, 6:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
True.. true.. Mellow

the funny thing is I meant I was ok with the beer purchase, but Victor519 snuck one in there.

Either way, it works for me.
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