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Dog ate my boveda
ypetryna Offline
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she decided to chew up 2 packs and pierced the pouches. unsure how much if any she ate. anyone ever have this happen? more worried about the dogs wellbeing then the boveda. apart from her mopping in the kennel and avoiding eye contact, she greeted me as chipper as always.

any insight is much appreciated

Thanks for the help guys - so far so good -

http://www.cigarbid.com/...The-Boveda-Eating-Pupper
gummy jones Offline
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Should keep her nice and moist. Don't let the local Chinese takeout catch wind or she will be missing.

(Hope the pup is okay)
Ewok126 Offline
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Dang man I hope its ok. They say nontoxic to humans. For dogs this could be a whole different story.

Here is the page for the MSDS sheets if you don't have it. You can maybe do some digging on the compound make up and check for dogs maybe? If anything will give you the info to give a vet if you should call and ask them maybe?

https://bovedainc.com/safety-data-sheets/

The sheets have the LD50 listing for rats and mice ( LD50 is an abbreviation for "Lethal Dose, 50%" or median lethal dose. It is the amount of the substance required (usually per body weight) to kill 50% of the test population. )

can possibly give you an idea.
DrafterX Offline
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Poor puppy-dog... Sad
bgz Offline
#5 Posted:
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Meh, she'll be fine, you should see the stuff I find in my dog's sh1t... she eats everything except for her dog food.
corey sellers Offline
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Give her some peroxide to make her throw up
gummy jones Offline
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All my dog needs to throw up is a clean spot on the floor
corey sellers Offline
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Haha good one
ypetryna Offline
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Ewok126 wrote:
Dang man I hope its ok. They say nontoxic to humans. For dogs this could be a whole different story.

Here is the page for the MSDS sheets if you don't have it. You can maybe do some digging on the compound make up and check for dogs maybe? If anything will give you the info to give a vet if you should call and ask them maybe?

https://bovedainc.com/safety-data-sheets/

The sheets have the LD50 listing for rats and mice ( LD50 is an abbreviation for "Lethal Dose, 50%" or median lethal dose. It is the amount of the substance required (usually per body weight) to kill 50% of the test population. )

can possibly give you an idea.



damn man, this is legit
Ewok126 Offline
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ypetryna wrote:
damn man, this is legit


Ha! of course it is brother... I would never post some BS when it comes to a man and his puppy dog.
corey sellers Offline
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The peroxide will make the dog throw up my wife worked at a vet and we had to do this one just make the pup is outside cause it will make them look like the exorcist
corey sellers Offline
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I would call a vet for sure
Ewok126 Offline
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corey sellers wrote:
The peroxide will make the dog throw up my wife worked at a vet and we had to do this one just make the pup is outside cause it will make them look like the exorcist


Word of warning for humans the MSDS says to NOT induce vomiting. Not sure if this would also apply to dogs.
ypetryna Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
All my dog needs to throw up is a clean spot on the floor



lmfao
corey sellers Offline
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Call the vet that they will know what to do and let us know the out come lord knows it could happen to any of us
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corey sellers wrote:
Call the vet that they will know what to do and let us know the out come lord knows it could happen to any of us

nah. I can only think of 6 or 7 of us that would eat a boveda...depending on the RH though
Ewok126 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
nah. I can only think of 6 or 7 of us that would eat a boveda...depending on the RH though


True very true... I am more fond of the 69%... The higher ones make me get up in the middle of the night to pee alot!
Phil222 Offline
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I usually eat the humi-beads on top of saltines and pretend it's caviar...
frankj1 Offline
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just add salt
Phil222 Offline
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Very good...ThumpUp
ypetryna Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
nah. I can only think of 6 or 7 of us that would eat a boveda...depending on the RH though


they were 65
ypetryna Offline
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after i talked to one vet, i was told to just call the aspca poison control hotline

vet #2 told me that like with silica packs, the biggest issue is the packaging. since she did not eat the packaging, and both packages were easily more then half full, compared to a 3rd pack that she apparently decided to spare or was interrupted from destroying, it become more of a observe and report issue, then a hurry to vet issue. also since its unknown if it was eaten (beast took out a bottle of nasal spray and a contact 2 weeks ago) or when, it seemed to chill me out. paired with Ewoks, great tablet and my knowledge of metric conversion (thanks google), none of the values seemed close enough to worry me (im a bit laid back to doctors/vets). but like corey said, could have been anyone of us, so since you all helped, i will try to not bull$h1T this as much as i did in college: (fyi i rounded to higher values, because after the dog tries to eat boveda packs, what is really working in your favor?) (all figures are estimates***)

whats in a boveda 65% - 60 gram packets

Ingredients: CAS No. Percent
Water (Reverse Osmosis) 7732-18-5 50 to 67 ( 30 - 40 grams)
Sodium chloride 7647-14-5 8 to 13 (4.8-7.8 gtams)
Ammonium Chloride 12125-02-9 13 to 33 (7.8 - 20 grams)
Glycerin 56-81-5 10 to 29 (6 - 17.4 grams)
Xanthan gum 11138-66-2 0.5 to 1.0 ~.6 grams
Citric acid 77-92-9 0.01 to 0.5 ~.3 grams

Ewok explained what LD50 meant and the values are below

LD50 Oral:
Ammonium chloride Mouse 1300 mg/Kg so 1.3 g /kg
Rat 1650 mg/Kg so 1.65 g /kg
Sodium chloride Rat 3000 mg/Kg so 3 g / kg
Glycerin Rabbit 27 grams/Kg so 27/kg

Ammonium Chloride had the highest potential of concentration after water and was the closest value to being lethal to mouse. ( i low balled Cali weighing 20 kgs, but shes closer to 55-60 lbs but better to estimate on the high end then the low). even with the high end range estimate, and low ball weight the number was under, and apparent its also a possible medication prescribed by vets, see below:

Drug Name: Ammonium Chloride
Common Name: MEq-AC®, MEq-AC5®, UroEze®, UroEze-200®, Fus-Sol®
Drug Type: Urinary acidifyer
Used For: Bladder stones, Toxins that may be excreted in the urine
Species: Dogs, Cats
Administered: Tablets, Oral liquid, Injectable
FDA Approved: Yes

so not super worried here

Sodium Chloride -
per google
In dogs, a sodium chloride dose of 2 to 3 g/kg (87 to 130 mmol/kg) has been shown to cause signs of toxicosis, whereas a dose of 4 g/kg (174 mmol/kg) is lethal. Hypernatremia is defined as a serum sodium concentration greater than 155 mEq/L in dogs and greater than 162 mEq/L in cats.

8g at max in the boveda isnt anywhere near the 60-80 that would be bad....


Glycerin -
What is glycerin?
Glycerin , is a sweetener and binder (humectant) that is commonly produced as a byproduct of soap making. It has traditionally been used in dog food as a texturing and sweetening agent.
Common names for glycerin
The most common name variations include glycerol, vegetable glycerin or glycerine.
Why is glycerin included in dog food?
Glycerin is added to dog food for three key reasons: 1) as a binder for canned foods and treats (to make them chewy), 2) as a preservative against mold, and 3) as a sweetener.
Is glycerin a commonly used ingredient in dog food?
We found either “glycerin” or glycerol in 2.13% of the foods in our dog food ingredient database.
Common benefits or risks of glycerin
Glycerin doesn’t provide much nutritional benefit to your dog. Glycerin’s ‘benefits’ are related to its properties as a binder and sweetener.
Glycerin that is derived from animal and plant sources is generally considered a ‘safe’, albeit nutritionally void ingredient. oil pump silhouette in sunset However, some pet food manufacturers are using glycerin that is derived from biofuel (e.g. diesel fuel) processing. This leads to significant amounts of residual methanol (wood alcohol) and sodium that remain in the glycerin. Methanol, a flammable, poisonous liquid used in making formaldehyde, is not something that you want to feed your dog.
Take away: avoid foods and treats with glycerin in favor of those that explicitly list vegetable glycerin which does not contain the methanol risk.
Miscellaneous facts about glycerin
Glycerin is more common in treats than in regular food. It was an ingredient in 20% of the treats in our database which is 10 times the frequency of that in regular food.

Not concerned esp with such a high amount needed.

Xanthan gum 11138-66-2 0.5 to 1.0 ~.6 grams
Citric acid 77-92-9 0.01 to 0.5 ~.3 grams

too low of values, and she probably has had more of this stuff from simply eating gum she finds on the street.

NOW FOR SOME HELPFUL INFO -
the ASPCA poison hotline has exact values that could be toxic to your specific breed. its only 65$, but they can direct you if you need to go to a vet. I DID NOT TAKE THIS STEP YET AS IT SEEMED UNNECESSARY, BUT IF SHE WAS ACTING FUNNY, THEN I WOULDN'T HESISTATE. since none of the general sysmptons dogs display when ill were present, i just made sure all water bowls were filled with fresh water and took her out for an extra walk to promote drinking.

other useful boveda pack info :
4. First-aid measures:
Ingestion:
If the pouch contents are swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by
mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately. A small quantity of this material will normally produce
negligible effects in an adult. If the contents are consumed by a child under 50 pounds, a physician should be consulted.

11. Toxicological Information
This product is a water solution comprised of chloride, sodium chloride, and xanthan gum so any toxic
effect of these salts is diluted.
LD50 Oral:
Ammonium chloride Mouse 1300 mg/Kg
Rat 1650 mg/Kg
Sodium chloride Rat 3000 mg/Kg
Glycerin Rabbit 27 grams/Kg


Ewok pretty much saved the day, but hopefully this will help the next idiot who leaves his stuff laying about. thanks all for the concern



bgz Offline
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That was thorough.

Ewok must vape... Busting out the ld50s.

Check out the ld50 for chocolate.
ypetryna Offline
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bgz wrote:
That was thorough.

Ewok must vape... Busting out the ld50s.

Check out the ld50 for chocolate.



put the dog right to sleep, lol

Ewok is a cloud puffer? say it aint so snowflake!
Ewok126 Offline
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I am glad to hear it brother was worried about da puppy dog.

I had to take a trip once to the vet due to Rocco decided to eat one of my hearing aids. I wouldn't have been to concerned other than the fact the thing had a battery in it. They gave us some stuff that give the dog the screaming trotts. Hearing aid passed right on through and into the trash. Yep that was 1500 bucks for one hearing aid plus the cost of the vet and the make him chit meds. Brick wall

Bwahahaha, I do vape on occasion, thanks to my heart surgeon. He actually wrote me a prescription for one no joke.

I research the piss out of everything... I did before but since my stroke 20 times more cause well honestly, My biggest fear now is losing what cognitive capability I have left which is very little. Going from being a damn good neurophysiologist to having to need help to bathe well, that tends to muck a man up.

By the way my wife is getting tired of that helping bathe position, any you boys looking for a job? I can hide all my junk under a washcloth. I am not like Frank and get called tripod.... You won't have to look at it and I won't make eye contact.... Anxious
corey sellers Offline
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Be careful what you ask for ewok you might get more than you want
jjanecka Offline
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She'll be alright. It's just salt and sand mostly.
Ewok126 Offline
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corey sellers wrote:
Be careful what you ask for ewok you might get more than you want


I been married twice and the second time for going on 19 years.... Can't hurt me no more!
Ewok126 Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
She'll be alright. It's just salt and sand mostly.



I don't know man, She gets so mad at me when I use the bathroom in the shower. I would have thought that everyone at some point has done it right?

Last time I asked her "Why you get so mad at me when I use the bathroom in the shower?" She said " Because I am getting tired of trying to push all that down that little hole with my finger!"
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I was talking about the dog... HAH!
Ewok126 Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
I was talking about the dog... HAH!


Ha! so was I
tonygraz Offline
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Why don't you have dog proof locks on your humidors ?
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Son of a ... Bitch!

Beer

edit: Ok, just re-read and saw the 'she'... So... bitch of a bitch?? ;-)
Ewok126 Offline
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bs_kwaj wrote:
Son of a ... Bitch!

Beer

edit: Ok, just re-read and saw the 'she'... So... bitch of a bitch?? ;-)



ThumpUp
Ewok126 Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Why don't you have dog proof locks on your humidors ?


Because I like getting to my cigars from time to time.
ypetryna Offline
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Pupper was ok this morning, so lets see what she gets into while im gone today. today is trial day to see if she gets back to being kenneled while im out. she wont like it this go around since her escape points have been reinforced and she stand no shot this go around
Phil222 Offline
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ypetryna wrote:
Pupper was ok this morning, so lets see what she gets into while im gone today. today is trial day to see if she gets back to being kenneled while im out. she wont like it this go around since her escape points have been reinforced and she stand no shot this go around


I love happy endings! I'm glad your pup is okay too.
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ypetryna wrote:
she decided to chew up 2 packs and pierced the pouches. unsure how much if any she ate. anyone ever have this happen? more worried about the dogs wellbeing then the boveda. apart from her mopping in the kennel and avoiding eye contact, she greeted me as chipper as always.

any insight is much appreciated

You are gonna tell us when she's 100% and it's okay to start making jokes, right?
ypetryna Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
You are gonna tell us when she's 100% and it's okay to start making jokes, right?


i mean i always found it to be a great time for jokes. me, the dog, my guns, we all love a good laugh....
ypetryna Offline
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btw before someone gets butthurt, that was a joke, i wouldnt shoot you. Cali thou....that B!t ch is crazyyyy
HuckFinn Offline
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Then I guess it's safe now to feed the pup a few cigars. Maybe rename her Humidor?
ypetryna Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Then I guess it's safe now to feed the pup a few cigars. Maybe rename her Humidor?


lmfao less then 24 hours of seasoning, noob mistake man
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ypetryna wrote:
lmfao less then 24 hours of seasoning, noob mistake man

Oops
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Oops

Is that plume on them thar dog-turdsAnxious
DrafterX Offline
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Prolly mold.. Mellow
corey sellers Offline
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Probably need to to cut the humidity down a bit if it's mold sounds to wet to me

Just sayin
corey sellers Offline
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Beer
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Is that plume on them thar dog-turdsAnxious

Don't care. Fire up!
Jrc02005 Offline
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See, if you had just used lettuce instead like suggested...
ypetryna Offline
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damn , yall used to be funny, what happened?
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