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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:08 PM EST
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I'm somewhat of a connoisseur of the Corojo's. In fact, I'm enjoying a 08/22 with a few fingers of Makers. I haven't had any of the new stuff since the CE left and the labels changed.

Better/Worse/Same???
kombat96 Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:16 PM EST
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New suck. Needs rest.
Plowboy221 Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:31 PM EST
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^glad in not the only one that thought the new sucks.
KingoftheCove Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:36 PM EST
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haven't tried any new......haven't heard glowing reviews that's for sure.....
the new labels make my eyes hurt....
glad I stocked up on the old stuff....
Abrignac Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:37 PM EST
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Kinda sad I didn't.

Oh well.
Ndill Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:39 PM EST
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Have some of the old at B&M. I know they have the old triple maddy for sure. If anyone wants some let me know.
KingoftheCove Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:44 PM EST
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Ndill wrote:
Have some of the old at B&M. I know they have the old triple maddy for sure. If anyone wants some let me know.

According to the folks at the "new" Camacho, the Triple Maddie is one blend (maybe the only one?) that hasn't and will not be changed.............who really knows I suppose...
Abrignac Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 6:47 PM EST
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Kinda figured they were gonna suck. The Eiroa's seemed to really care about the brand. Can't see a big company like Davidoff putting in the same kind of boots on the ground. My guess is the brand will get lost.
KingoftheCove Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 7:10 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Kinda figured they were gonna suck. The Eiroa's seemed to really care about the brand. Can't see a big company like Davidoff putting in the same kind of boots on the ground. My guess is the brand will get lost.

Maybe.......but they're sure pushing hard toward the "macho" cigar smoker niche...............might work?

I find the marketing campaign lame beyond belief......."badazz everyday smokes"..........

A heavily tatted and pierced dude sucking on those new pink label Camachos is prolly enough to make Jade dizzy........
Abrignac Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 7:19 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Maybe.......but they're sure pushing hard toward the "macho" cigar smoker niche...............might work?

I find the marketing campaign lame beyond belief......."badazz everyday smokes"..........

A heavily tatted and pierced dude sucking on those new pink label Camachos is prolly enough to make Jade dizzy........


Exactly. More focus on marketing and less on the cigar. Any bets on how quickly this goes down the CAO/VS path?
Whistlebritches Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 8:22 PM EST
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I grabbed 3 boxes of my faves,Tenth Anniversaries,when I heard the news.Haven't tried anything new from them.I did however pick up a box of CLE Corojo's......tasty but young.


Ron
nolen Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2014, 8:28 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Exactly. More focus on marketing and less on the cigar. Any bets on how quickly this goes down the CAO/VS path?



I really hope that doesn't happen Anthony Sad I'm a big corojo fan as well as a Honduran tobacco fan. The Camacho was one of the only premium's that fit that profile. I've had two of the new corojo's and one of the new connies. I'm sad to say that I noticed a difference in both, especially in the connies. In fact, my friend and I were smoking the connies at the same time and he was really taken-a-back by the difference.

I've been getting my puro Honduran corojo fix from the CLE's.
Abrignac Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Apr 14 2014, 9:01 PM EST
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nolen wrote:
I really hope that doesn't happen Anthony Sad I'm a big corojo fan as well as a Honduran tobacco fan. The Camacho was one of the only premium's that fit that profile. I've had two of the new corojo's and one of the new connies. I'm sad to say that I noticed a difference in both, especially in the connies. In fact, my friend and I were smoking the connies at the same time and he was really taken-a-back by the difference.

I've been getting my puro Honduran corojo fix from the CLE's.



My last box of the old one's is napping. It's a box of Corojo Churchill's my son gave me for father's day last year.
dharbolt Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Apr 14 2014, 9:07 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
According to the folks at the "new" Camacho, the Triple Maddie is one blend (maybe the only one?) that hasn't and will not be changed.............who really knows I suppose...



new tripple maddie is good. (only new one I have had) seemed stronger if anything.
dharbolt Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Apr 14 2014, 9:10 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Exactly. More focus on marketing and less on the cigar. Any bets on how quickly this goes down the CAO/VS path?



Quickly. Sad
marc palanzo Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Apr 16 2014, 6:00 PM EST
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Problem: Like old the Camacho.

Solution: Smoke Eiroa.
vanzandt Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Apr 16 2014, 6:07 PM EST
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Seems like they got boring not better the 10anny trip corojo was the best imo..the trip maddie was good but a lil too full for me
RobertHively Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 9:00 PM EST
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I'm kinda glad people don't like the new(er) version of the Corojo. I think "no" or "not as good as the old version" is the general consensus, which means there are always good deals to be had. I think they are a good full bodied, medium-full strength smoke; especially if you let them sit in your humidor for 3 months or longer before smoking. In my experience they seem to get better the longer you let them sit.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 9:28 PM EST
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The American Barrel Aged is a fantastic cigar. The most unique cigar I have ever had.
Sobek501 Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 8:34 AM EST
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Y'all couldn't have posted this before I bought a 5-pack of Ecuador last night?
RobertHively Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 5:28 PM EST
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Sobek501 wrote:
Y'all couldn't have posted this before I bought a 5-pack of Ecuador last night?


I think you'll like the Ecuador. I bought a box of them last week so to me they're obviously box worthy. Like with the Corojo, the more patience you have the better the cigars will taste when you light one up. If you can let the majority of them sit in your humidor/coolador for several months you'll more than likely have a better experience.
Sobek501 Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 11:40 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
The American Barrel Aged is a fantastic cigar. The most unique cigar I have ever had.


Thats a bold statement. I must find and try this!
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2018, 12:12 AM EST
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Sobek501 wrote:
Thats a bold statement. I must find and try this!


It is very different. Most unique for sure.
NapalmMan67 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2018, 12:43 PM EST
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Eiroa OR Jamastran Corojo - YES.

Post Eiroa "Bold" Scorpion brand - NO F*CKING way.


Be a sad day when the last couple boxes of the Jama/Coro are gone.
RobertHively Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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NapalmMan67 wrote:
Eiroa OR Jamastran Corojo - YES.

Post Eiroa "Bold" Scorpion brand - NO F*CKING way.


Be a sad day when the last couple boxes of the Jama/Coro are gone.


Good. That's what I like to hear. Herfing
Whistlebritches Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2018, 1:55 PM EST
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Sobek501 wrote:
Y'all couldn't have posted this before I bought a 5-pack of Ecuador last night?


DUDE!!! this thread is just shy of 4 years old.

I've only tried 3 or 4 of the NEW Camacho's.........sadly they all sucked azz.When the last of my OR 10th Anni's are gone I suppose a small tear will be in order.
tamapatom Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2018, 2:01 PM EST
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Got a couple boxes from 2006. They smoke very nice and have mellowed so much from original that it is hard to compare to the new.
euodias Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2018, 5:01 PM EST
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I miss the old scorpions.
hnixon12 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jan 28 2018, 12:59 PM EST
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I really think the new label connecticut is very good, only camacho i like
RMAN4443 Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jan 28 2018, 1:12 PM EST
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hnixon12 wrote:
I really think the new label connecticut is very good, only camacho i like

I like these too, but I've never really tried any others as their strength profile sounds like it would be a bit stronger than I usually enjoy........Anxious
live4cigars Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jan 31 2018, 1:39 AM EST
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Hey guys, I'm compelled to challenge all the bashing these brands have taken from cigar aficionados the past few years. While I might agree that the older stock was probably better, I have to say that both CAO and Camacho have surprised me in that they did not crash and burn like everyone expected. I'd agree that they've gone the more survivalist route of marketing to the less discerning, macho mases, but there are still some decent quality albeit less interesting sticks and they are still releasing a few non-standard and even innovative blends, like Camacho's 2 barrel-aged and CAO's Amazon trilogy. I'm admittedly not a huge fan of either brand, but gotta give some respect for the fact that they didn't entirely screw them up either. Like many, I expected a doomsday scenario so have been pleasantly surprised and glad to see there are some good decision-makers who aren't pure bean counters. Isn't that worth applauding in an industry that easily trends towards bottom-line, mass production and away from small batch boutiques?
delta1 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jan 31 2018, 12:08 PM EST
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I've tried two of the new Camachos, and they were decent. Barrel Aged and Corojo. I would smoke them again, but they did not motivate me to get a box, though...
ZRX1200 Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jan 31 2018, 12:39 PM EST
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CAO has remade themselves. Fist the family owners went to a wacky marketing strategy as their qc suffered from over expansion of lines and product. Then they sold and it REALLY went to schit. Now their stuff is ok, but the gimmicky stuff like the christmas blends which are rebans of existing lines is just pathetic. I hear the OR Amazon was good, tried the recent one just for S&Giggles *blah*

Davidoff has done a ok job with Camacho, but again the marketing is STUPID and the target is pushing the blends which IMO is going to keep vet smokers away. It sadens me because I believe that's a long term deathnell for the label. Christian is doing a fine job with the CLE stuff.
NapalmMan67 Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jan 31 2018, 1:23 PM EST
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Did CAO get sold again? General Cigar (CAO) is under Scandinavian Tobacco Group A/S.

Davidoff is Swiss held under Imperial Tobacco in the UK. Unless things have changed recently?



So my thoughts are along the line of the Camacho I stated previously.

Pre General YES.

Post General NO. IMO the blends and construction suffered greatly after the sellout.


Think I still have a few pre General Extreme Robs left somewhere, which are a great smoke.
carrite Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jan 31 2018, 9:55 PM EST
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Old Camacho had the coolest old school labels and svelte boxes. New Camacho have some of the dumbest new school labels imaginable. Maybe Obsidians are worse, but it is close.

Unimpressed with the packaging change.

I haven't bought any new ones.

t
hoyodude Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Feb 5 2018, 12:55 PM EST
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I was an avid smoker of the original Camacho brand but, having sampled a few of the new line, my feeling is they traded quality for flashier bands. It seems to not have tanked the brand in sales but for me its all over, I don't plan on buying any more. I do follow what Christian is doing though and have been pleasantly unsurprised by many of his offerings since parting ways with Camacho. I'll always miss the old powerhouse Corojos, Diplomas and 11/87's.
jjanecka Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Feb 5 2018, 11:05 PM EST
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Never was a fan of camacho old or new.
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