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Ohio student shoots self after bringing gun to school
cacman Offline
#1 Posted:
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MASSILLON, Ohio — Police in Ohio say a 7th-grader apparently brought a gun to school and shot himself inside a bathroom.

Investigators say no other students have been hurt and they don’t know yet whether the shooting Tuesday morning was intentional.

A school official says the student is being treated at a hospital. His condition wasn’t immediately known.

Parents rushed to Jackson Middle School, near Massillon, to pick up their children after the school sent out a notice about the shooting.

Authorities and school officials say they don’t whether the student was alone at the time of the shooting and haven’t released any other details about what happened.

Massillon is located about 50 miles (80 kilometers) south of Cleveland.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/ohio-student-shoots-self-after-bringing-gun-to-school/


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Obviously not all children are taught gun safety.

Obviously not all adults are taught gun safety either.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Pretty sure suicide is abandoning all safety guidelines.
cacman Offline
#3 Posted:
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How does a 7th grader get a hold of an unsecure firearm?
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#4 Posted:
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This is only a couple minutes from my house. My heart breaks for this world we live in. Haven't heard if it was a suicide attempt or what.
MACS Offline
#5 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
How does a 7th grader get a hold of an unsecure firearm?


My son grew up with firearms in the house. Unsecured, too... a couple in the closet, and one or two elsewhere.

He never touched them unless we went shooting. Never brought them to school. Never threatened anyone. Weird, ain't it? By all accounts (at least from gun control advocates) he should have shot and killed half the town.
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted:
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I'm not seeing a problem with this.
Kid wanted out.
Kid got out.
teedubbya Offline
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MACS wrote:
My son grew up with firearms in the house. Unsecured, too... a couple in the closet, and one or two elsewhere.

He never touched them unless we went shooting. Never brought them to school. Never threatened anyone. Weird, ain't it? By all accounts (at least from gun control advocates) he should have shot and killed half the town.


I grew up with guns on the living room wall and would never have dreamt of touching them without permission. I also left the house in the morning and returned when the streetlights started to turn on. I also rode my bike miles from home during that time.

times have changed. the need for parents to do what yours, mine and you and I did/do for our kids hasn't changed, but times have, and other parents are not doing what we did. Not all of them did it at the time. We tend to over assume others are like us. They are not and I'm afraid more and more are not.

I agree with you macs. I'm just not sure where that gets us.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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My kids can't shoot an intruder if it's locked up and unloaded.

If I thought a kid was at risk, I would lock them up (except what is on me at all times).
dstieger Offline
#9 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
My kids can't shoot an intruder if it's locked up and unloaded.

If I thought a kid was at risk, I would lock them up (except what is on me at all times).


took me a min...the quotation marks part helped....but I was fairly certain you meant you'd lock up the kid....ifn you thought he was 'untrainable'
bgz Offline
#10 Posted:
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Ya, that's how I read it too, had to re-read it :D
paulkeck Offline
#11 Posted:
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Damn laws now letting 7th graders buy guns!! Damn we need to do something
cacman Offline
#12 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
My son grew up with firearms in the house. Unsecured, too... a couple in the closet, and one or two elsewhere.

He never touched them unless we went shooting. Never brought them to school. Never threatened anyone. Weird, ain't it? By all accounts (at least from gun control advocates) he should have shot and killed half the town.


Don't disagree with you MAC. My father was an accomplished competition shooter at Camp Perry in the late 60's/early 70's, was an acclaimed custom gunsmith and machinist. I have pictures from when I was 2yrs old helping my father at the reloading bench, and shooting his competition rifles at the range. The numerous step-fathers my mother married where all gun advocates and hunters. I started hunting at 11yrs old after taking the Hunter Safety course. But in my house then and today I still follow the 2 simple rules: firearms and their ammo are locked up separately, and not together. IIRC that is also taught in the Hunter Safety course. Firearms have always been handled with adult supervision in our home until they are of legal age.

I like to think of it this way. You can't legally buy a firearm until you are 18. You can't legally buy alcohol until you are 21 (in most States). I was caught numerous times stealing my parents booze even though I knew it was wrong and would get my azz beat. I also caught my kids stealing booze even though they knew it was wrong. Once caught, parents have a second chance to secure the booze. Unfortunately when kids are found stealing their parent's guns, often there isn't a second chance to lock the firearms up. I won't allow my kids to have access to booze simply based on the fact they know it's wrong and they can't have it, anymore than I would leave an unsecured firearm simply based on the fact they know it's wrong and they can't have it. My kids have also taken the Hunter Safety course, and received training at our Town-owned gun range. I still find it hypocritical that you can send an 18yr old to war armed and trained with a M16, but he/she can't have any booze until they are 21.

Our community experienced something similar to the OP last week. Three teenage kids made a suicide pact to be carried out at home at the same time. Fortunately 2 kids backed out partly due to the firearms in their home being locked. Unfortunately one 13yr old girl had access to her parent's unsecured firearm.


To quote a comment offered in the Nintendo gun thread: Proper gun storage and education are key and if you don't want to teach your children the difference or store then properly then [the parents] are at fault.

I was lucky to be able to work from home while my kids where growing up so we didn't have to worry about our kids defending themselves against a home intruder. So I do understand and respect Z's point. No one knows your kids as well as you do. If there is any thought a kid may be at risk, the firearms should be secured. A $10 lock is worth the protection. Heck, the last 3 guns I purchased all came with locks included, so they are used.

I am a gun advocate and owner. But IMHO if anyone wants to have a serious discussion about gun control, it should begin in the home.
Speyside Offline
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^well stated Carl.
Buckwheat Offline
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MACS wrote:
My son grew up with firearms in the house. Unsecured, too... a couple in the closet, and one or two elsewhere.

He never touched them unless we went shooting. Never brought them to school. Never threatened anyone. Weird, ain't it? By all accounts (at least from gun control advocates) he should have shot and killed half the town.


I grew up in a similar household. My father would take us out on weekends to the "family farm" on weekends to learn how to properly use them.

The only "firearm" that wasn't off limits was the BB gun (Crosman 760). Maybe that wasn't a good idea since I still have a BB in my arm from where my brother shot me when I was a kid. fog

I feel sorry and sad for the family of this kid.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
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The news is saying he shot himself with a .22 rifle. How on earth do you shoot yourself with a rifle...other than in the foot. Kid must have had long arms. Given that it was a rifle (which I don't know how you get on the bus and into the school with...AND he has distraction devices in his bookbag (they said they were for making noise and smoke but wouldn't harm others). This makes me think he had other plans than just shooting himself. Why would you need those if you plan on shooting yourself and why would you do it at school rather than anywhere else. Just doesn't add up. Supposedly he is in extremely critical condition, fighting for his life, so I doubt he shot himself in just the foot....unless he bled out in the bathroom...which could be.

What if someone else actually shot him and then ran off...going to be a rough case for the local cops.
delta1 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
took me a min...the quotation marks part helped....but I was fairly certain you meant you'd lock up the kid....ifn you thought he was 'untrainable'



There's something I can agree with zrx about...all at risk kids should be locked up...
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted:
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anybody know what the numbers say about the prevalence of home invasion intruders killing people vs the number of kids killed by guns in the house, accidental and intentional?
frankj1 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
anybody know what the numbers say about the prevalence of home invasion intruders killing people vs the number of kids killed by guns in the house, accidental and intentional?

are you laying odds?
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#19 Posted:
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So this kid passed away yesterday morning. Apparently he did shoot himself in the foot and essentially bled out. I still don't think that was his intention though...who tries to kill themselves by shooting their foot off...and with a .22... seems like that would be a really hard way to go about it. May he rest in peace. Praying for the family, friends and community.
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