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paulkeck Offline
#51 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I'm not a fully engaged gun-banner...but if I was in a place where someone was killing people...I'd like my chances of fighting back much better if the dude was armed with a box cutter, a golf club, a bat, a knife, a chain saw, a car, a revolver or semi-auto low cap mag pistol, a bolt/lever action rifle, a shotgun... better than staring down the barrel of a rifle spitting out 20 - 30 or more bullets at a time

And I in the other hand would feel better if I had my trusty 45 in my side. Different strokes for different folks. Great thing about America
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delta1 wrote:
I'm not a fully engaged gun-banner...but if I was in a place where someone was killing people...I'd like my chances of fighting back much better if the dude was armed with a box cutter, a golf club, a bat, a knife, a chain saw, a car, a revolver or semi-auto low cap mag pistol, a bolt/lever action rifle, a shotgun... better than staring down the barrel of a rifle spitting out 20 - 30 or more bullets at a time




Don't you know kung-fu and stuff..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
We could enact the 2 kill law... Everybody gets to kill peoples in their lifetime.. if you kill 3 then you have to go to jail.. just think how nice everyone will be to each other... Mellow


and it should be limited to homeless people that are legal to kill...
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delta1 wrote:
what if we can figure out ways to make it harder to find a way around the laws?

Guess we have to start thinking like outlaws...
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what if everybody else had a .45 and they thought you were the shooter.. that would suck
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DrafterX wrote:
Don't you know kung-fu and stuff..?? Huh

I know Kung-Fu.

And other Asian words.
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teedubbya wrote:
what if everybody else had a .45 and they thought you were the shooter.. that would suck

Briefly.
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teedubbya wrote:
what if everybody else had a .45 and they thought you were the shooter.. that would suck

And what if a plane landed on my house...that would suck as well. I mean you do realize there are a crap load of states including the one I love in now that allow c.c and open carry? I don't see them getting shot down in the streets and ive seen first hand a good Samaritan holding bad guys at fun point and not get blown away. Its also taught in the class. Neutralize the threat. Unload and set your weapon down.
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I am curious though..... did all the regulation on sudafed do anything to meth production.... I'm being serious here. don't know the answer.
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If they took out the shooter before the police arrived it wouldn't be an issue.. that is the point after all... Mellow
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paulkeck wrote:
And I in the other hand would feel better if I had my trusty 45 in my side. Different strokes for different folks. Great thing about America


me too, but if every one is allowed to pack, how do you know who to trust? Kinda limits the number of places it would be safe to take my grandkids...
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paulkeck wrote:
And what if a plane landed on my house...that would suck as well. I mean you do realize there are a crap load of states including the one I love in now that allow c.c and open carry? I don't see them getting shot down in the streets and ive seen first hand a good Samaritan holding bad guys at fun point and not get blown away. Its also taught in the class. Neutralize the threat. Unload and set your weapon down.



LOL I carry my CZ legally. I wish I didn't have to apply and be registered. Don't take my comments wrong.

I've not been in a shootout with a human before but suspect from the simulations I do on the range its harder than it looks to decipher who the bad guy is and decide to shoot before being shot. Put a lot of people in that situation at the same time and look out. It's true even in war.

so ya.... when the gunshots go I hope others know im the good shooter not the bad one in the fog... and at that point the plane is already there
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teedubbya wrote:
I am curious though..... did all the regulation on sudafed do anything to meth production.... I'm being serious here. don't know the answer.

Seeing how the meth epidemic is reaching staggering numbers I would guess no.
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One thing I don't particularly care for is the open carry law... If I was a bad guy the dude sporting a weapon would be my first target.. or if I just needed a gun I'd just take it from him when he turned his back.. concealed carry is ok with me... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
If they took out the shooter before the police arrived it wouldn't be an issue.. that is the point after all... Mellow



pistols shooting back in this case at an ar.... shaken out of teaching a class to getting your gun and tracking down the killer.... or maybe just getting lucky with a clear shot.... maybe. not so much.

more likely huddling and hiding with the gun out just in case and making the decision to shoot or not shoot if someone enters your room.

any active shooter training has rushing or attacking the shooter as the last resort whether you are armed or not.
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paulkeck wrote:
Seeing how the meth epidemic is reaching staggering numbers I would guess no.



I dunno. I really don't. if it's not can we put the damn crap back on the shelves so I can just buy 24 and not beg and get registered?
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teedubbya wrote:
LOL I carry my CZ legally. I wish I didn't have to apply and be registered. Don't take my comments wrong.

I've not been in a shootout with a human before bus suspect from the simulations I do on the range its harder than it looks to decipher who the bad guy is and decide to shoot before being shot. Put a lot of people in that situation at the same time and look out. It's true even in war.

so ya.... when the gunshots go I hope others know im the good shooter not the bad one in the fog... and at that point the plane is already there

It's a debate that will continue for a long time. I just hate that we are in my opinion discussing the wrong issue.... Take the football away from the 1000s of kids because Billy is a f*cking idiot and hits the kids in the head with it. I hate hearing no one needs it. Yeah but I'm a God Fearing Amercian that lives an honest life. Why should I and the countless others get punished for the sick few. Change needs to be made but not with guns. You can say make them harder to get but who does it make it harder for? Sure as Heck not the sicko with a itch to scratch. Who suffers with these laws? The ones that will obey them.
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paulkeck wrote:
It's a debate that will continue for a long time. I just hate that we are in my opinion discussing the wrong issue.... Take the football away from the 1000s of kids because Billy is a f*cking idiot and hits the kids in the head with it. I hate hearing no one needs it. Yeah but I'm a God Fearing Amercian that lives an honest life. Why should I and the countless others get punished for the sick few. Change needs to be made but not with guns. You can say make them harder to get but who does it make it harder for? Sure as Heck not the sicko with a itch to scratch. Who suffers with these laws? The ones that will obey them.



I agree with you there. We agree more than disagree. And I am a contrarian. When I see an argument thats easy to punch holes in I do. I can't help it.

But in this topic I really don't know the answer. I hate having a problem that I can't propose a solution.

I do think there are probably some gun regulation that could minimize things. Size of magazines could be one. I dunno. I'm actually more in listening mode. Don't mistake poking holes in things as not considering them and seeing the response. I can be convinced. I can be convinced for more regulation or that there is no need. I'm just looking for a good argument that compels me.

I've not seen it on either side.
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IIRC, at the time of the shooting at the UT, mass shootings were very rare...and few people owned semi-auto rifles

Make America Great Again,

or Take Back America....
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teedubbya wrote:
pistols shooting back in this case at an ar.... shaken out of teaching a class to getting your gun and tracking down the killer.... or maybe just getting lucky with a clear shot.... maybe. not so much.

more likely huddling and hiding with the gun out just in case and making the decision to shoot or not shoot if someone enters your room.

any active shooter training has rushing or attacking the shooter as the last resort whether you are armed or not.



That would prolly be the case.. wait till he entered the classroom and hopefully take him out.. unless they were ex-military or law enforcement I wouldn't expect them to engage.. not making rules just sayin... Mellow
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paulkeck wrote:
It's a debate that will continue for a long time. I just hate that we are in my opinion discussing the wrong issue.... Take the football away from the 1000s of kids because Billy is a f*cking idiot and hits the kids in the head with it. I hate hearing no one needs it. Yeah but I'm a God Fearing Amercian that lives an honest life. Why should I and the countless others get punished for the sick few. Change needs to be made but not with guns. You can say make them harder to get but who does it make it harder for? Sure as Heck not the sicko with a itch to scratch. Who suffers with these laws? The ones that will obey them.

And I get that.
But what if it could be shown that restricting guns reduces shooting deaths.
Would that be a sacrifice you wouldn't be willing to make?
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teedubbya wrote:
I agree with you there. We agree more than disagree. And I am a contrarian. When I see an argument thats easy to punch holes in I do. I can't help it.

But in this topic I really don't know the answer. I hate having a problem that I can't propose a solution.

I do think there are probably some gun regulation that could minimize things. Size of magazines could be one. I dunno. I'm actually more in listening mode. Don't mistake poking holes in things as not considering them and seeing the response. I can be convinced. I can be convinced for more regulation or that there is no need. I'm just looking for a good argument that compels me.

I've not seen it on either side.


Hey I'm all for reasonable discussion, and if we could actually trust the government, any of them Republicans or Democrats it would be much easier to discuss. Problem is we can't....we can't trust That they won't abuse the laws they set forth or find loop holes to add in that gives them the right to do whatever.. Hell look at the patriot act. Point is that is why I am against any more fun laws...find a cure for the illness. Research what's changed...hell make them more expensive if you must but banning the AR15 is going to do nothing other than give them a new gun to ban the next time.
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I'm not going to do a mass killing.. why do I need to give up my gun..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
One thing I don't particularly care for is the open carry law... If I was a bad guy the dude sporting a weapon would be my first target.. or if I just needed a gun I'd just take it from him when he turned his back.. concealed carry is ok with me... Mellow


I'm in NH......today I was in Walmart and there was a woman with a bright pink gun sticking out of the back of her pants.....there were people all around her, some bumping into her trying to get by......she had her cell phone to her ear yakking away to someone and searching through a bin of items, and she was totally oblivious to the world around her......those were my exact thoughts, I could grab that gun and shoot up thr place, and she wouldn't be able to react to it in time to stop me..........when my wife and I got outside I asked her if she had seen it, and my wife said she had the exact same thought.........and my wife is the most non-violent person I know, so if she noticed it and had those thoughts, i'm sure a lot of the more violent people in the world would have no problem taking advantage of the situation
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HuckFinn wrote:
And I get that.
But what if it could be shown that restricting guns reduces shooting deaths.
Would that be a sacrifice you wouldn't be willing to make?


Germany took guns away from their citizens as did Russia how did that turn out.....but that couldn't happen here because of the constitution.....oh wait I think they spoke about that in there somewhere
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paulkeck wrote:
Hey I'm all for reasonable discussion, and if we could actually trust the government, any of them Republicans or Democrats it would be much easier to discuss. Problem is we can't....we can't trust That they won't abuse the laws they set forth or find loop holes to add in that gives them the right to do whatever.. Hell look at the patriot act. Point is that is why I am against any more fun laws...find a cure for the illness. Research what's changed...hell make them more expensive if you must but banning the AR15 is going to do nothing other than give them a new gun to ban the next time.



I agree with you here too. The patriot act was one that many in here embraced for our safety. Now they don't. I think we totally overreacted to 911 and gave our rights and way of life away. A win for the bad guys. The only way they could win really. Its their goal. As an aside it also gave cover for a dolt to smack the Iraq hornets nest causing way more problems than it solved including creating terrorist breeding grounds.



maybe drafter has it right. If we get people to attest they wont do anything wrong its ok. Iran says it wont be naughty with nukes.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I'm in NH......today I was in Walmart and there was a woman with a bright pink gun sticking out of the back of her pants.....there were people all around her, some bumping into her trying to get by......she had her cell phone to her ear yakking away to someone and searching through a bin of items, and she was totally oblivious to the world around her......those were my exact thoughts, I could grab that gun and shoot up thr place, and she wouldn't be able to react to it in time to stop me..........when my wife and I got outside I asked her if she had seen it, and my wife said she had the exact same thought.........and my wife is the most non-violent person I know, so if she noticed it and had those thoughts, i'm sure a lot of the more violent people in the world would have no problem taking advantage of the situation


I don't know the laws there but here in Texas you have to have a 2 stage holster.
teedubbya Offline
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paulkeck wrote:
I don't know the laws there but here in Texas you have to have a 2 stage holster.



not here, and I don't

I use a n82 tactical... very simple but I love it
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teedubbya wrote:
not here, and I don't

I use a n82 tactical... very simple but I love it

Being truthful I c.c lol I use a white hat holster, I don't want people knowing what I have.
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paulkeck wrote:
Germany took guns away from their citizens as did Russia how did that turn out.....but that couldn't happen here because of the constitution.....oh wait I think they spoke about that in there somewhere



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country


Americans have almost twice as many guns per capita than Serbia, in 2nd place.

Overkill.

States with stricter gun laws and fewer guns have fewer deaths by shooting. Fact.
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And murders overall..?? Huh
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HuckFinn wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country


Americans have almost twice as many guns per capita than Serbia, in 2nd place.

Overkill.

States with stricter gun laws and fewer guns have fewer deaths by shooting. Fact.

Hahaha that is nowhere near the facts! California Illinois and Dc have some of the strictest gun laws in the US....you can honestly with a straight face tell me they have less fun deaths than say Texas or Arizona or New Mexico?
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paulkeck wrote:
Being truthful I c.c lol I use a white hat holster, I don't want people knowing what I have.



I think that's smart. And I misunderstood you. Mine is cc too. I think you may have been saying open carry requires 2 stage. I don't know about that.

Accross the border from me KS doesn't require a cc license. Resident? you can carry. The problem is they wrote that law in a way that was problematic for MO residents even with cc license. Unexpected consequences. Another bad part of even well intended laws.

as for cc, I don't want people to know. I hesitate to even say anything in here. the classes I went to stressed heavily to not advertise. to the point they thought it was silly to even wear firearms tshirts etc.
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teedubbya wrote:
I think that's smart. And I misunderstood you. Mine is cc too. I think you may have been saying open carry requires 2 stage. I don't know about that.

Accross the border from me KS doesn't require a cc license. Resident? you can carry. The problem is they wrote that law in a way that was problematic for MO residents even with cc license. Unexpected consequences. Another bad part of even well intended laws.

as for cc, I don't want people to know. I hesitate to even say anything in here. the classes I went to stressed heavily to not advertise. to the point they thought it was silly to even wear firearms tshirts etc.

Yes Sir I meant if you open carry here you have to have a 2 stage
teedubbya Offline
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If there is a bad guy around me I intend to get away. My cc is for if I can't.

Given the chance to help someone it's tricky. I like to puff my chest out and say I would and could and would be clear headed dudly do right. Honesty and saying what most people will not admit says I'm not sure. And I'm not sure if I did that I would make the right split second decisions. Thats why if possible I get away. I don't want to find out.
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teedubbya wrote:
If there is a bad guy around me I intend to get away. My cc is for if I can't.

Given the chance to help someone it's tricky. I like to puff my chest out and say I would and could and would be clear headed dudly do right. Honesty and saying what most people will not admit says I'm not sure. And I'm not sure if I did that I would make the right split second decisions. Thats why if possible I get away. I don't want to find out.

You hit the nail on the head...who knows how they would act. I had a guy at work say if that cop didn't do anything who says a teacher would....I couldn't answer but let's assume there are 10 teachers and only one acts....is that not better than nothing?
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paulkeck wrote:
I don't know the laws there but here in Texas you have to have a 2 stage holster.

from what I can find, there are no laws even requiring you to use a holster......NH does not require a concealed carry permit, as long as you can legally own a gun you can carry it cc or open carry
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170222/new-hampshire-governor-signs-constitutional-carry-into-law
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What if the one that acts takes the wrong action and kills innocents.

Just asking. As I said, I don’t know and I’m really conflicted. I’m not dug in either way.

If someone can convince me of a way to mitigate let alone eliminate this nonsense I’m on board. Neither side has.

And sometimes you have to accept that I guess.

If I was cc as a teacher I’d get as many kids hiding as possible and stay with them with my gun as a last resort. I’d not go hunting.

And when the guy in black enters the room I hope I bake the right decision. Hopefully if it’s swat they will make it clear somehow. Hoped the bad guy doesn’t know how to do that too (land shark). Hopefully the swat team knows I’m not the shooter.

Tough call.
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teedubbya wrote:
What if the one that acts takes the wrong action and kills innocents.

Just asking. As I said, I don’t know and I’m really conflicted. I’m not dug in either way.

If someone can convince me of a way to mitigate let alone eliminate this nonsense I’m on board. Neither side has.

And sometimes you have to accept that I guess.

If I was cc as a teacher I’d get as many kids hiding as possible and stay with them with my gun as a last resort. I’d not go hunting.

And when the guy in black enters the room I hope I bake the right decision. Hopefully if it’s swat they will make it clear somehow. Hoped the bad guy doesn’t know how to do that too (land shark). Hopefully the swat team knows I’m not the shooter.

Tough call.

Again... great points! But at least you would be in that room stuck.....with a fighting chance when someone entered that room!
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True. Hopefully I don’t see someone I think is the shooter and kill them or vice versa.

I’d be lying though if I’m that scenario I said I’d rather not have my gun.
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teedubbya wrote:
True. Hopefully I don’t see someone I think is the shooter and kill them or vice versa.

I’d be lying though if I’m that scenario I said I’d rather not have my gun.

Me too!
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SWAT would be easily identified.. but in the panic mode I see your point... luckily they wear armour.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Not if the shooter is inspired by swat like attire.
teedubbya Offline
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If you accidentally shoot at a swat guy he won’t shoot back right?
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victor809 wrote:
I agree this "resource officer" dropped the ball.
But I'm not sure his job was to intervene during a school shooting.


In an on air interview the RO's boss,the Sheriff seemed to think the RO's job was to try and take out the shooter. Maybe the reason the RO was suspended and then subsequently resigned.
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delta1 wrote:
I'm not a fully engaged gun-banner...but if I was in a place where someone was killing people...I'd like my chances of fighting back much better if the dude was armed with a box cutter, a golf club, a bat, a knife, a chain saw, a car, a revolver or semi-auto low cap mag pistol, a bolt/lever action rifle, a shotgun... better than staring down the barrel of a rifle spitting out 20 - 30 or more bullets at a time


In this situation that occurred in a school facility you would rather take on a 3" or 3.5" 12 gauge magnum, cylinder bore, and tube extender loaded with 00 rather than a semi auto rifle?
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Easy fix tho.. grab the gun and put on a vest... different color vest every week.. Yes I know the shooter could also wear a color coded vest.. but it's better than nothing... The objective is to take out the shooter before the cops arrive... If that happens drop the gun... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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That’s an easy fix?
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No... Just a thought.. Mellow
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teedubbya wrote:
If someone can convince me of a way to mitigate let alone eliminate this nonsense I’m on board. Neither side has.

Paying attention to the warning signs and following up on the tips provided would be a good place to start.

FBI caller said suspected gunman "is going to explode"
An unidentified person close to the teen accused of killing 17 people in a school shooting in Parkland, Florida, called the FBI more than a month before the shooting and said she was worried Cruz would "get into a school and just shoot the place up," a U.S. official familiar with a transcript of the call confirmed to CBS News.

The Wall Street Journal first reported the context of the call made to the agency's public access line. A person familiar with the matter confirmed all of the quotes in the transcript reported by the Journal.

"You know, it's just so much," the caller said. "I know he's -- he's going to explode." The woman said she wanted to clear her conscience in case "he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up."

"Something is gonna happen," she continued. "Because he's, he doesn't have the mental capacity. He can't, he's so outraged if someone talks to him about certain things."

Last week, the FBI said it had received a tip about Cruz on Jan. 5, 2018, but failed to investigate the report. The caller also reported Cruz's gun ownership, his desire to kill others, erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts. She described times when Cruz mutilated frogs and at least one bird.

"He brought the bird into the house," she said. "He threw it on his mother's kitchen counter and he started cutting it up. He has all kinds of hunting knives. I don't know what knife he used, though. And he started cutting the bird up, and his mother… said, 'What're you doing?' And he says, 'I want to see what's inside.'"

The caller also provided Cruz's social media accounts to the FBI. She said it was alarming to see images on the account and "to know what he's capable of doing and what could happen."

"He's [been] thrown out of all these schools because he would pick up a chair and just throw it at somebody, a teacher or a student, because he didn't like the way they were talking to him."

CBS News correspondent Manuel Bojorquez reports that it wasn't the first time someone called authorities on Cruz. The woman who took in Cruz and his brother after their mother's death last year called Palm Beach County's 911 in November.

"He put the gun at the head of his brother so it's not the first time and he did that with his mom. It's not the first time he put a gun to somebody's head," the 911 caller said.

There are now investigations at practically every level of law enforcement about potential missed warning signs before the shooting and what happened during.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee briefing on Friday, FBI officials discussed how it handled a threat Cruz allegedly made in a post on YouTube on Sept. 15, 2017. The FBI did not seek information from YouTube's parent company, Google Inc., to learn about the identity of the person behind the comment or the individual's location, Sen. Chuck Grassley's office said in a statement. It said Google could have provided information if the agency had asked.

Cruz has been charged on 17 counts of premeditated murder after being questioned by state and federal authorities. His lawyers have said Cruz will plead guilty if prosecutors agree not to pursue the death penalty, but no decision has been made on that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-caller-said-suspected-gunman-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode/

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The last sentence is by far the most hypocritical thing I've heard yet regarding this incident. If you want to "do something for the children" then string this nut bug up to the electric chair, make it a pay-per-view event, and give the proceeds to the victims. You want a "deterrent"?
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