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Speyside Offline
#151 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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Anthony, glad you jumped in. Your knowledge is invaluable trying to understand this. Do many if any states have things similar to the CEC and the PEC?
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#152 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 10:45 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
IIRC, at the time of the shooting at the UT, mass shootings were very rare...and few people owned semi-auto rifles

Make America Great Again,

or Take Back America....


IIRC, Columbine was the first mass school shooting. It happened on April 20, 1999. Semi-auto rifles were brought to the civilian market in 1903 with the Winchester Model 1903. So what happened between 1903 & 1999.

Video games, movies, prozac, etc...
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#153 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 10:48 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
not here, and I don't

I use a n82 tactical... very simple but I love it



I've got a Glock 42 and it fits very nicely in one back pocket. Extra mags in the other.
Abrignac Offline
#154 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 10:57 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
4 who wouldn't confront the shooter...but yeah, a math teacher would have killed him.

No if the shooter only had a pistol or 3, any cop would have had no hesitation...based on no facts at all, I admit.


I can assure you that the 25 or so guys and gals I shared SRO duty with would have run straight at him.

Keep in mine that one person I used to work with confronted an **** with a dutch made semi-auto rifle last year in Baton Rouge trying to save a downed officer. I'm sure he knew he might lose his life (he was killed), but he tried to recuse another officer nonetheless.
Abrignac Offline
#155 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 11:00 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
David here. Sorry Frank, I love ya bud, but we have to disagree. Don't you think that the football coach, or any of the teachers who gave their lives trying to protect the children would not have given anything at that moment to have had the tools required to at least attempt to defend themselves and the innocent? I would rather die trying to defend myself and my loved ones, rather then standing there unarmed and helpless.

This argument I hear about highly trained police officers vs. teachers also holds no water. To many police officers, their weapon is just another tool on their belt. Many police officers fire their weapon only once a year when they are required to re-qualify. I have shot next to NJ police officers practicing for their simple qualification test, and many of them are totally incompetent when it comes to firearms. Not only is their marksmanship very poor, but Donna and I have been "muzzle sweep" by police officers with a loaded gun and finger on the trigger several times at the range. Most times we packed up and left for our own safety.

I don't buy the argument that a trained CCW holder couldn't stop a shooter with an AR, especially if the situation was "defend yourself or die". Do a Google search. There have been more then one incidence where a school employee has stopped a mass shooting by retrieving their own firearm from their vehicle and confronting the shooter. Usually without firing a shot.


Sad but true in many cases.

What's up ya cheap ole bassard?
Abrignac Offline
#156 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 11:05 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What situation is the coroner involved in? Grieving to the point of danger to self or others?



Anyone can go to the Coroner's office and swear an affidavit. The evidence the give must be have been witnessed by them first hand. It's considered an official police report, so someone making a false report will very likely find themselves in a 6x9 cell if they make a bogus claim.
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#157 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 11:08 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Abrig you’d know more than I and I accept your answer.

I just find it hard to beleive you love kids and human lives less than teachers. A profession is a profession and I had some great teachers....and some crappy ones.

I know little about resource officers. We never had cops in my schools unless they were escorting mcgruff the crime dog for a lecture.


I hate everyone with equal enthusiasm.
Abrignac Offline
#158 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 11:09 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Anthony, glad you jumped in. Your knowledge is invaluable trying to understand this. Do many if any states have things similar to the CEC and the PEC?



Can't say for sure, but I suspect most have laws which accomplish the same or something very similar.
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#159 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 11:13 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
IIRC, Columbine was the first mass school shooting. It happened on April 20, 1999. Semi-auto rifles were brought to the civilian market in 1903 with the Winchester Model 1903. So what happened between 1903 & 1999.

The Gun-Free School Zones Act was passed in 1990. It's all gone downhill from there.
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#160 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 11:17 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
or Mena AK where a backwoods governor ran his state like a well oiled octopus with a hand in every pocket unseated a sitting President because he found their cookie jar!


Well don't trust your soul to no backwoods southern lawyer.
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#161 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 1:14 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
IIRC, Columbine was the first mass school shooting. It happened on April 20, 1999. Semi-auto rifles were brought to the civilian market in 1903 with the Winchester Model 1903. So what happened between 1903 & 1999.

Video games, movies, prozac, etc...


Cough...cough...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting...cough
DrMaddVibe Offline
#162 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 1:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Well don't trust your soul to no backwoods southern lawyer.



Dey jus gonna get disbarred!whip whip whip
delta1 Offline
#163 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 5:23 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
IIRC, Columbine was the first mass school shooting. It happened on April 20, 1999. Semi-auto rifles were brought to the civilian market in 1903 with the Winchester Model 1903. So what happened between 1903 & 1999.

Video games, movies, prozac, etc...


The shooting by Charles Whitman at the UT Austin campus happened in 1966. Here's what he carried that day:

"Whitman sawed off the barrel and butt stock of the shotgun...along with a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition."

So, yeah, he had a military style M1 carbine, which had 15 round mags. The Winchester 1903 had 10 round tube. Couldn't find any data on number of those type of guns sold by year


Interesting set of stats: mass shootings seem to have happened at least once a year since 1976...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year
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#164 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 8:27 PM EST
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Simon's Rock College Great Barrington, MA 1992

the shooter talks with the father of the dead student 25 years later.

http://www.wbur.org/npr/568929063/simon-s-rock-shooting-anniversary
teedubbya Offline
#165 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 8:37 PM EST
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Gang Lu only needed a .38 revolver.
Abrignac Offline
#166 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 9:14 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The shooting by Charles Whitman at the UT Austin campus happened in 1966. Here's what he carried that day:

"Whitman sawed off the barrel and butt stock of the shotgun...along with a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition."

So, yeah, he had a military style M1 carbine, which had 15 round mags. The Winchester 1903 had 10 round tube. Couldn't find any data on number of those type of guns sold by year


Interesting set of stats: mass shootings seem to have happened at least once a year since 1976...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shoot-ings_in_the_United_States_by_year


Was very interesting Al. I looked at the stats from 1980-2005. By and large the vast number of shootings involved firearms that would not fall in any ban category.

In fact, it seems more hunting shotguns were used to kill people than the evil assault rifles. Perhaps someone will crunch the numbers, but I'm not up for it.
Abrignac Offline
#167 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2018, 9:17 PM EST
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It would also be nice if someone crunched the numbers from this chart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

and told us where the US ranks in deaths per 100,000 firearms. I'm gonna guess somewhere near the bottom meaning that we as a society are much more safer gun owners than most if not all.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#168 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 6:22 AM EST
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http://www.dailydma.com/liberal-loser-sheriff-israel-busted-dirty-secret-tying-him-to-school-shooter-just-found/
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#169 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 11:48 AM EST
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The Broward County school district’s adoption of a school discipline policy that was praised by the Obama administration for seeking to reduce the reported number of school suspensions, expulsions, and arrests may have played a role in the fact that Nikolas Cruz remained under the radar until his shooting rampage in Parkland, Florida, on February 14.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/broward-county-likely-inspiration-for-obama-school-discipline-policy-to-report-fewer-arrests-suspensions/

I offered it before, and will offer it again:
Maybe, just maybe, the guberment ignored the numerous tips and warning signs and "allowed" this incident to happen to further promote their gun control agenda???
dstieger Offline
#170 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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Carl, is your last name 'Jones'?
Gene363 Offline
#171 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 5:51 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
The Broward County school district’s adoption of a school discipline policy that was praised by the Obama administration for seeking to reduce the reported number of school suspensions, expulsions, and arrests may have played a role in the fact that Nikolas Cruz remained under the radar until his shooting rampage in Parkland, Florida, on February 14.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/broward-county-likely-inspiration-for-obama-school-discipline-policy-to-report-fewer-arrests-suspensions/

I offered it before, and will offer it again:
Maybe, just maybe, the guberment ignored the numerous tips and warning signs and "allowed" this incident to happen to further promote their gun control agenda???


Unintended consequences, but sad and disgusting consequences.
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#172 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 5:56 PM EST
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/florida-schools-security-cameras-were-rewound-20-minutes-causing-lag-in-capturing-gunman-officials-say.html
teedubbya Offline
#173 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 5:59 PM EST
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^ old and terrible news.

Their sheriff gots ta go
ZRX1200 Offline
#174 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 6:33 PM EST
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He should have been gone after Ft Lauderdale. Or after campaign officials were listed as "resource staff" driving cars dubbed "Israel-mobiles" with his likeness wrapped on the cars.
teedubbya Offline
#175 Posted: Wed, Feb 28 2018, 9:23 PM EST
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Agreed. My gut told me he was a bad seed the first time I heard him talk.
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#176 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 9:38 PM EST
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203903054.html
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#177 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 9:41 PM EST
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rickamaven.com?
ZRX1200 Offline
#178 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 9:53 PM EST
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Yessir
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#179 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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poor uncle rick...

interesting read jamie.
Speyside Offline
#180 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 10:30 PM EST
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Interesting Z, thanks for posting.
Gene363 Offline
#181 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 11:33 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203903054.html


d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
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#182 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 8:32 AM EST
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According to recently released data, the more guns in a given society the more gun fatalities, the tougher the state laws the fewer. There's a lot of verbiage at this link. Skip down to the actually stats. Pretty telling.

Here's a sampling:

"Americans make up less than 5 percent of the world’s population yet own roughly 42 percent of all the world’s privately held firearms."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-us-statistics-charts
DrMaddVibe Offline
#183 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 11:43 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
According to recently released data, the more guns in a given society the more gun fatalities, the tougher the state laws the fewer. There's a lot of verbiage at this link. Skip down to the actually stats. Pretty telling.

Here's a sampling:

"Americans make up less than 5 percent of the world’s population yet own roughly 42 percent of all the world’s privately held firearms."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-us-statistics-charts


Applause Applause Applause

Yes, the people in Illinois, Maryland and New York are sooooo safe. Yet, they have the HIGHEST gun restriction legislation.
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#184 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 11:47 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Applause Applause Applause

Yes, the people in Illinois, Maryland and New York are sooooo safe. Yet, they have the HIGHEST gun restriction legislation.



Did you look at the link?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#185 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 11:50 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Did you look at the link?



Do you live in reality?
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#186 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 12:07 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Applause Applause Applause

Yes, the people in Illinois, Maryland and New York are sooooo safe. Yet, they have the HIGHEST gun restriction legislation.




I believe MA has the lowest gun related death stats in the nation.
Texas is the run away leader. Whatever those numbers mean.

yet I remain conflicted on what, if anything, can be done to prevent mass shootings.

Just recently I read an article alleging that less than 5% of mass murder shooters were or would have been found mentally ill. This really knocks down the intended effectiveness of the wide spread movement (that is even supported by NRA leadership) to find ways to hinder gun access to mentally ill citizens. Looks like it would be a blip on the screen related to prevention...

It may have more impact on run-of-the-mill daily homicides where shooters and victims often know each other.

or not.

Conflicted.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#187 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 12:13 PM EST
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Frank...Illinois has THE strictest gun control legislation on the books. Underneath the "Welcome to Illinois" signs when you cross into the state should be a smaller sign right under it..."A Gun Free Zone"


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-weeking-shootings-violence-20180205-story.html


How does this happen then? Hey...the numbers are trending lower though...or is it not recorded correctly?

Tourists?


PS: Sorry Illinois...Chicago metro area is dragging you all down with it.
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#188 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Frank...Illinois has THE strictest gun control legislation on the books. Underneath the "Welcome to Illinois" signs when you cross into the state should be a smaller sign right under it..."A Gun Free Zone"


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-weeking-shootings-violence-20180205-story.html


How does this happen then? Hey...the numbers are trending lower though...or is it not recorded correctly?

Tourists?


PS: Sorry Illinois...Chicago metro area is dragging you all down with it.

that's why I wrote in the top paragraph "whatever those numbers mean", cuz MA also has top % gun control laws but that may not be the reason for the nation's lowest gun related deaths...I see the info, I simply don't know for sure that I am seeing proof of effectiveness, Certainly Illinois stats contradict the "proof" of effectiveness that MA enjoys.
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#189 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 12:47 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Do you live in reality?

A simple no, I didn't read the link would have sufficed.

"Guns are not the only contributor to violence. (Other factors include, for example, poverty, urbanization, and alcohol consumption.) But when researchers control for other confounding variables, they have found time and time again that America’s high levels of gun ownership are a major reason the US is so much worse in terms of gun violence than its developed peers."

Americans love their guns. I get it. I like guns. I lived in Vermont for years...

Taking away guns from most gun lovers is no different than taking away fishing tackle from guys who love to fish.

Letting the in-it-for-profit- only NRA fight this fight alone to keep laws and regulations the same shouldn't be a viable choice by gun owners. They need to enter the conversation.
Folks responsible on both sides of this argument need a fresh approach to gun ownership and regulation. The times they are a changin'

Unless kids getting murdered at schools is acceptable.

In my reality it isn't.
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#190 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 12:49 PM EST
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strict gun law states are affected by neighboring states with lax gun laws...people say we don't need new laws...we should just enforce the laws on the books...

Which ones?
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#191 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 12:51 PM EST
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Why are there no factual studies measuring the correlation between guns and gun violence?

Led by NRA lobbying, the CDC was stripped of funding for studies on gun violence...


want the truth? You can't handle the truth...
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#192 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 2:03 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
A simple no, I didn't read the link would have sufficed.

"Guns are not the only contributor to violence. (Other factors include, for example, poverty, urbanization, and alcohol consumption.) But when researchers control for other confounding variables, they have found time and time again that America’s high levels of gun ownership are a major reason the US is so much worse in terms of gun violence than its developed peers."

Americans love their guns. I get it. I like guns. I lived in Vermont for years...

Taking away guns from most gun lovers is no different than taking away fishing tackle from guys who love to fish.

Letting the in-it-for-profit- only NRA fight this fight alone to keep laws and regulations the same shouldn't be a viable choice by gun owners. They need to enter the conversation.
Folks responsible on both sides of this argument need a fresh approach to gun ownership and regulation. The times they are a changin'

Unless kids getting murdered at schools is acceptable.

In my reality it isn't.


This is where your adult conversation becomes a counterproductive and immature rant.
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#193 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 2:05 PM EST
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People can take all the statistics and studies and opinions and stuff them up their collective azz.

Until we start enforcing our existing laws we can't talk about new and improved ones.


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#194 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 2:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
This is where your adult conversation becomes a counterproductive and immature rant.


It was as civil a response as I decided to give him to his question "do you live in reality"

Isn't it interesting that you don't critique his comment. Only my response.
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#195 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 2:16 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
that's why I wrote in the top paragraph "whatever those numbers mean", cuz MA also has top % gun control laws but that may not be the reason for the nation's lowest gun related deaths...I see the info, I simply don't know for sure that I am seeing proof of effectiveness, Certainly Illinois stats contradict the "proof" of effectiveness that MA enjoys.





No, I totally got it because MA is mentioned in the article that was posted.

Yet, the gun deaths and shootings still go up.
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#196 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 2:20 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
A simple no, I didn't read the link would have sufficed.

"Guns are not the only contributor to violence. (Other factors include, for example, poverty, urbanization, and alcohol consumption.) But when researchers control for other confounding variables, they have found time and time again that America’s high levels of gun ownership are a major reason the US is so much worse in terms of gun violence than its developed peers."

Americans love their guns. I get it. I like guns. I lived in Vermont for years...

Taking away guns from most gun lovers is no different than taking away fishing tackle from guys who love to fish.

Letting the in-it-for-profit- only NRA fight this fight alone to keep laws and regulations the same shouldn't be a viable choice by gun owners. They need to enter the conversation.
Folks responsible on both sides of this argument need a fresh approach to gun ownership and regulation. The times they are a changin'

Unless kids getting murdered at schools is acceptable.

In my reality it isn't.


You lived in Vermont for years. If only we were talking about wearing flannel shirts year round and tapping maple trees for syrup! Vermont does enjoy its hunting...out of necessity...the deer population would STARVE if they weren't culled. The hunting is more out of mercy than enjoyment of the sport.

Which lobby spends more in DC to get their agenda pushed through...Planned Parenthood or the NRA?

Take your time.

Which one has killed more?
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#197 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 3:16 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You lived in Vermont for years. If only we were talking about wearing flannel shirts year round and tapping maple trees for syrup! Vermont does enjoy its hunting...out of necessity...the deer population would STARVE if they weren't culled. The hunting is more out of mercy than enjoyment of the sport.

Which lobby spends more in DC to get their agenda pushed through...Planned Parenthood or the NRA?

Take your time.

Which one has killed more?



You should fire your writers dude. Or quit trying to be funny. You're just tedious dude.

You're skirting the subject by even mentioning Planned Parenthood.
We're talking about school kids being shot in their schools. Right?
Well, i am...
You hate flannel shirts and deer ...lol

Until both sides of the gun issue make a compromise that makes it possible for school kids to feel safe in their schools all other tangential things are off the table. My maple table anyway.
It's really very nice...onm..

2017

Planned Parenthood Total Lobbying Expenditures: $1,425,752.

NRA Lobbying Expenditures: $5,122,000
HuckFinn Offline
#198 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 4:00 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Frank...Illinois has THE strictest gun control legislation on the books.

Actually...strictest gun laws (top 8) according to

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-states-have-the-most-restrictive-gun-laws-in-america.html/?a=viewall

1. California
2. Connecticut
3. Colorado (yup)
4.District of Columbia
5. Maryland
6. Massachusetts
7. New Jersey
8. New York
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#199 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 4:25 PM EST
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School kids will feel safer when the Dems quit scary them with the evil NRA and assault weapon crap... Mellow
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#200 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 4:43 PM EST
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And the evil Trump and Republicans... Mellow
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