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Cathcam13 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:33 AM EST
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A bill set for the November ballot would make it illegal to possess a weapon with a mag capacity over 10 rounds. If you live in Oregon or know someone who does, you need to make sure they get this information. This is a gun confiscation bill, check it out at Oregonvotes.org
teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 8:35 AM EST
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Don’t see anything about it at your link.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 8:48 AM EST
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It will effect basically all semi auto gun owners, not just new sales. And it will also effect tube fed rifles like my Rossi .22lr and lever action tube fed rifles too. Kate got her A LOT of Bloom berg $
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:01 AM EST
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What would they do with the people that already have the guns or the magazines?
deadeyedick Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:02 AM EST
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And I thought they were already crazy because you can't even pump your own gas. Is it all the Cali refugees coming up there?
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:07 AM EST
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The funny thing is the Oregon constitution has a tremendously strong stance on the 2nd ammendment, more so than Federally. It's very specific. But we have judges that are worse than the 9th circuit. And we have lowlife democrats that don't care about law or consequences because of the voting block Eugene to Portland on I5.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:08 AM EST
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Rick, they'll probably do a "voluntary" surrender.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:34 AM EST
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Aside from the obvious constitutional absurdity what about financial loss? I’d be out thousands to comply.
danmdevries Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 10:00 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Aside from the obvious constitutional absurdity what about financial loss? I’d be out thousands to comply.


The man don't care.

Also, what's the plan for enforcing compliance?

Think the man would have a hard time finding every standard capacity magazine out there.

And like the CA ban,an out of state seller isn't responsible for checking laws the recipient needs to follow, so ive got a few Rubbermaid totes full of Pmags and steelies to put on gone broker
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 10:27 AM EST
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There should be outrage... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 11:28 AM EST
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danmdevries wrote:
The man don't care.

Also, what's the plan for enforcing compliance?

Think the man would have a hard time finding every standard capacity magazine out there.

And like the CA ban,an out of state seller isn't responsible for checking laws the recipient needs to follow, so ive got a few Rubbermaid totes full of Pmags and steelies to put on gone broker



My guess is compliance would be in the form of extreme punishment if caught rather than seeking them out.... ala the MJ tax stamp
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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They're still taxing Michael Jackson..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:04 PM EST
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Wonder what our founding fathers would say about this. A battle will be waged here that will partially define who we are. I hope the constitution prevails as it should. I for one do not want to wake up to a diminished America.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 2:03 PM EST
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"Capable of holding more than 10 rounds" so it doesn't matter mag size because it's capable......and they are to be surrendered.
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 2:06 PM EST
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seems like a broad interpretation that wouldn't fit the intent but it's your back yard and I know nothing about it. i will concede to the cbid proximity rule.
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 3:28 PM EST
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"The proposal defines an assault weapon as any semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, any feature like a folding or telescoping stock and that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition."

"The proposal would require any person in legal possession of an assault weapon to sell, surrender or remove the weapon from the state, or render it inoperable, within 120 days of passage, according to the language. "
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 3:38 PM EST
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ok so it's not pistols it's rifles, and the use of "and" and "or" becomes very important.

crap law either way
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 4:30 PM EST
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Insane in da membrane... Mellow
MACS Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 4:37 PM EST
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CA already has that law. Can't own mags with more than 10 capacity.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 4:48 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
CA already has that law. Can't own mags with more than 10 capacity.



Z is saying it means something different. Not a matter of mags with over 10 capacity, but a gun that can accept a mag over 10 capacity.

In other words guns legal in Cali running mags meant to be legal in cali because they are limited to 10 would not be legal in Oregon because they could accept a larger mag capacity (not that you necessary have said magazine). You can't just ditch the magazine (expensive enough)


It looks to me like conjunction junction is in play though just from what Z posted.

"semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, any feature like a folding or telescoping stock and that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition."

Based on this and this alone....

Specific to rifles apparently

detachable magazine AND Folding(or telescoping) Stock AND can (read as ability to) accept more than 10 rounds of ammo


this would exclude marlin 60s etc. The folding or telescoping stock eliminates most.

still a crappy law.
Cathcam13 Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 5:16 PM EST
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It continues from there to include pistols and shotguns, it’s a very well written soon to be bill, hopefully it falls short of the 89,000 signatures necessary to be put on the ballot.
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:05 PM EST
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They already have the signatures....

Ellen Rosenblum had them in the trunk of her car.

Yeah T, the problem is our judges. Someone will alter, and the judge will uphold. The state police (OSP) is already breaking the law and their written policy by permanently keeping records that are supposed to be shredded after 1 or two years (can't remember which). This state is getting so screwed up and I don't say that in a partisan bias way. The structure by which things are done SHOULD bother everyone.

Good time to own lead, brass and a water purifier.
tailgater Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
i will concede to the cbid proximity rule.


I was hoping to have a witty retort for that little quip.
Alas. I do not.

(hangs head in shame)
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:14 PM EST
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When you stand so close that you can feel the other guys bowel movements!
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They already have the signatures....

Ellen Rosenblum had them in the trunk of her car.

Yeah T, the problem is our judges. Someone will alter, and the judge will uphold. The state police (OSP) is already breaking the law and their written policy by permanently keeping records that are supposed to be shredded after 1 or two years (can't remember which). This state is getting so screwed up and I don't say that in a partisan bias way. The structure by which things are done SHOULD bother everyone.

Good time to own lead, brass and a water purifier.


I don’t think you are being partisan and beleive you. As beautiful as Cali, Oregon and Washington are I’m glad I don’t live thee from a political perspective regardless of party.
Cathcam13 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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I am currently considering returning to Idaho or Heading South, unless this thing gets shot down......
cacman Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 12:40 AM EST
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YouTube Bans Firearms Demo Videos, Entering the Gun Control Debate
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-bans-firearm-sales-and-how-to-videos-prompting-backlash

Who was it that said "The easiest way to control the population is by slowly taking way their rights"?
Mr. Jones Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 9:25 AM EST
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Some idiots in PA are trying to pass a new gun control bill also...but not as bad as that Oregon one that you describe...
That would never pass in PA...

It is all the DEEP STATE, ILLUMINATE AND SUPER ELITE trying to disarm the American public...

Michael Bloomberg is the biggest A-hole on the planet next to Bella Abzug and Orin Hatch ( those two are for other reasons than guns).
Bloomberg is psychotic in my humble opinion and has a meglomaniac complex because he's a billionaire who can't force his opinions into LAW...SO HE BUYS POLITICIANS AND VOTES through donation bribery and who knows what other illegal means to "get his own way" like a spoiled brat in a sand box...he is not a grown man...he is a man-child with a billionaire bully complex...

What I have learned the HARD WAY IS....

MONEY TALKS...

THE FBI-SSG BRIBED HUNDREDS OF CIVILIANS AND PRIVATE CASH STRAPPED ORGANIZATIONS / CLUBS I BELONGED TO... TO GANGSTALK ME FOR YEARS ON END...
NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE as long as
"the MAN" SPREADS LIES AND UNTRUTHS about any individual....the SSG HANDED OUT $10K envelopes and forced civilian RAT SNITCHES to sign "non-disclosure agreements" with iron clad language, then threatened their employment and family if they broke the agreements... ( one of these RATS showed me an agreement copy she told them she lost) ...TO SO MANY PEOPLE I WAS JUST ACQUAINTANCES WITH AND FED THEM TOTAL LIES about me... it was like an army of mercenary civilians ( all on a
bi-weekly cash envelope system handed out at local clubs through various BAGMEN and safehouses) on my Azz day in day out for 5 years....

Again...

MONEY TALKS
&
BULLSH*T WALKS...

EVERYWHERE ON EARTH no matter what the cause or
Means to an end may be...since the beginning on mankind,
it will never change....EVER.
gummy jones Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 5:51 PM EST
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Big government wielding big business and social media as weapons against the populace
gummy jones Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 5:52 PM EST
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Or vice a versa

The order matters not
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Mar 29 2018, 11:03 AM EST
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Teedubya, this is sadly one of the more even handed papers in Oregon....

"As defined in the initiative, an “assault weapon” includes: semi-automatic rifles and pistols with a detachable magazine and one of several modifications, semi-automatic shotguns with grip and stock modifications and semi-automatic rifles under 30 inches in length.

High-capacity magazine is defined as any feeding device that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition."
ZRX1200 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Apr 2 2018, 8:20 PM EST
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#2 dropped today:

http://egov.sos.state.or.us/elec/web_irr_search.record_detail?p_reference=20180044..LSCYYY44
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 8:17 AM EST
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I just read the proposal, Jamie. So, if you have an unsecured firearm stolen, you are responsible for any death or injury inflicted by the use of that firearm, for a period of 5 years. I'm all for properly securing firearms, but this is pure insanity.

NJ tried to pass something like this, except that it didn't matter if the gun was secured or not. If someone broke into your gun safe, you where legally responsibly for anyone injured or killed with your stolen gun.

David (dpnewell)
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 4:45 PM EST
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I heard all of jaime’s were stolen 6 years ago.
danmdevries Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 5:19 PM EST
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I lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident.
ZRX1200 Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 8:10 PM EST
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I sold them all for donations to make America great again.
deadeyedick Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 8:16 PM EST
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I may or may not have any but they are not registered to me.
jjanecka Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 8:39 PM EST
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This is the end of freedom boys and it's happening via uninformed masses. This is exactly what the forfathers were trying to prevent.
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 9:09 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
This is the end of freedom boys and it's happening via uninformed masses. This is exactly what the forfathers were trying to prevent.

I'm thinking it's not the end of freedom.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 9:11 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm thinking it's not the end of freedom.


Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Who's with me?
frankj1 Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018, 9:20 PM EST
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HA!
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 9:16 AM EST
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I don't register rights.
frankj1 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:36 PM EST
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voting
Cathcam13 Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:43 PM EST
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Germans bombed pearl? How come those planes had circles instead of Swastikas?
frankj1 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:52 PM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Germans bombed pearl? How come those planes had circles instead of Swastikas?

how could you have missed the movie?
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#46 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:54 PM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Germans bombed pearl? How come those planes had circles instead of Swastikas?

You mind if we dance wif yo dates? Anxious
Cathcam13 Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:55 PM EST
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Lmao
Cathcam13 Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:56 PM EST
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Which movie, Frank? Tora Tora Tora or That Abomination called Pearl Harbor?
Cathcam13 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 12:58 PM EST
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All they did with the second one was combine two older movies to make that one.
Phil222 Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018, 1:00 PM EST
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ZERO......POINT......ZERO
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