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tailgater Offline
#101 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 12:19 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Wow! I want to tell you to GFY, but I like you.

You just described me as a, shrugging, irresponsible, inadequate racist!

It's like you could see me!

Ok, so, any beliefs I have have evolved in me in my 67 years and I could be wrong here, I mean who can really see themselves clearly, i didn't really choose.
I read. Observed. Tried to remain open-minded, researched. Like most people I guess?
But I even watch Fox!

Not out of vanity, but because I want what i can justifiably/verifiably call the truth. Not to parade it around but for reasons unknown to me.
Is it not true that we are all more comfortable around people that share our religion, skin color or ethnicity? To some extent?
Now is where you ponce. Pick away.

It's nature at work. That's why we are all on this continuum of comfortable-racist.
Watch much nature tv?

Yes. Most people harbor prejudices and biases against people of different ethnicities etc
TO ONE EXTENT OR ANOTHER...



Maybe you're above the fray. Or disingenuous? Even with yourself....

Or maybe, maybe, you're special!
Hold on, Michael Jordan is at the door!!

Know what? GFY....Hadda get that in...you understand...






GFY? Brother, believe me. If I could, I wood.

and please don't mix my words.
I never called you an inadequate racist.

To answer your question: Is a person "more comfortable" with like-minded people? Sure. Absolutely.
But to extrapolate that into "therefore everyone is racist" is a stretch that even you can see is moronic.

It is a weak mind that perceives "different" as being "inferior".
And if there is no perceived superiority in the like-minded group you belong to, then there is no true racism.

Huck, you wouldn't feel "comfortable" in one of my MENSA group outings. Doesn't mean you think you're superior. Doesn't make you prejudiced against me and my fellow genius brethren. It's just that you wouldn't understand us because we are so much more smarter than you.

No. I'm not in mensa. But you get the point.

Just because YOU obviously feel superior to people with different skin color than your own, doesn't mean everyone feels that way. But you shrug it away because in your mind everyone feels that way. Which is the exact opposite of taking responsibility.

It's like talking to a little kid.
Different doesn't mean worse. It's OK for people to be different. And if you feel "uncomfortable" around different people then you are simply human. But if you feel superior, then you are bigoted.

The only group of people that I know I'm better than are jets fans.
Speyside Offline
#102 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 12:38 PM EST
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Victor, would you call Robert Mapplethorp an artist or a pervert? I would call him an artist and advocate his the right for his work to be publicly shown. Freedom of expression. I feel the same way about Jocko. While I personally find Jocko racist I in no way find Rick racist. With his reasoning I would in no way be offended if he chose to display Jocko.
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#103 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:14 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I did not repaint Jocko.....that would ruin the antique value
I do not display it on my lawn.........it is in my garage, but out in the open
I do not feel that I am racist.........my grandfather, on the other hand, was the original model for Archie Bunker



So your saying I'm being insensitive if I display a Trump 2020 sign in my yard or a Trump bumper sticker on my truck?

and Huck, you still haven't answered......how do the African Americans that are so offended by Jocko, feel about the 219 times the word n*gger is used in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn?

This has gotten a little out of hand, right?
I never for a second thought you were racist. With or without Jocko. Even though you're friends with TG.

Your grandfather and my grandfather grew up in a time before the civil rights movement, documented genocide let alone political correctness. I remember racial slurs being yelled out of windows in Brooklyn growing up.
Mark Twains family were southerners. Grew up with slaves. The n-word wasnt an insult, just a word back then.
And Huck was risking a lot by helping the slave Jim escape slavery. Huck was a new breed.

I read Twains autobiography a few months ago and was shocked at some of his racist statements. But I forgive him because of the time he lived in, his childhood, and what words meant then and now. I tend to forgive azzholes in general who I think we're geniuses ie Bobby Fischer...Frank...

Anyway, Huck's n-word record is a problem for teachers these days. They've changed the n-word to slave and tried all kinds of things to keep it on the required reading list. Getting tougher.

Really interesting perspective: worth a look...

johnson/2011/01/sanitising_huckleberry_finn

Sampling:

"..erasing "niigger" from 'Huckleberry Finn'—or ignoring our failures—doesn't change anything. It doesn't provide racial enlightenment, or justice, and it won't shield anyone from the legacy of slavery and racial discrimination. All it does is feed the American aversion to history and reflection."
victor809 Offline
#104 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:34 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Victor, would you call Robert Mapplethorp an artist or a pervert? I would call him an artist and advocate his the right for his work to be publicly shown. Freedom of expression. I feel the same way about Jocko. While I personally find Jocko racist I in no way find Rick racist. With his reasoning I would in no way be offended if he chose to display Jocko.


Everything is context spey.
And no one is restricted from being racist.

I've said it before though. A good motto to live by is if you are doing something and you look to the left of you, and there are Neo Nazis doing the same thing, and you look to the right to find white nationalists doing it too.... You probably should re-examine whatever the hell it is you're doing.
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#105 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:34 PM EST
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Yes, it has definitely gotten out of hand.......I love the book, and understand the anti racism in it.....I was merely stating that a statue in and of itself is not racist.....it's intent that makes something racist(or not)........I'm over it......and I was not defending Cac.....I don't know him well enough to say whether he is or isn't racist.....Peace?
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#106 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:35 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
GFY? Brother, believe me. If I could, I wood.

and please don't mix my words.
I never called you an inadequate racist.

To answer your question: Is a person "more comfortable" with like-minded people? Sure. Absolutely.
But to extrapolate that into "therefore everyone is racist" is a stretch that even you can see is moronic.

It is a weak mind that perceives "different" as being "inferior".
And if there is no perceived superiority in the like-minded group you belong to, then there is no true racism.

Huck, you wouldn't feel "comfortable" in one of my MENSA group outings. Doesn't mean you think you're superior. Doesn't make you prejudiced against me and my fellow genius brethren. It's just that you wouldn't understand us because we are so much more smarter than you.

No. I'm not in mensa. But you get the point.

Just because YOU obviously feel superior to people with different skin color than your own, doesn't mean everyone feels that way. But you shrug it away because in your mind everyone feels that way. Which is the exact opposite of taking responsibility.

It's like talking to a little kid.
Different doesn't mean worse. It's OK for people to be different. And if you feel "uncomfortable" around different people then you are simply human. But if you feel superior, then you are bigoted.

The only group of people that I know I'm better than are jets fans.







Oh. I'm an adequate racist. Whew!

I agree that it's lazy or mean-spirited or "weak" to associate "different with inferior".

That largely describes organized indoctrinated racists, right?

I guess I don't think that describes almost everyone else. The same as with the unknown, I think differences make us fearful. And we instinctively hate what we fear.

I feel superior to noone. Cept that guy Z maybe.
No, seriously, you assume that I feel superior to others based on skin tone or ethnicity?
I won't even defend against that. That's absurd.
HuckFinn Offline
#107 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:37 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Yes, it has definitely gotten out of hand.......I love the book, and understand the anti racism in it.....I was merely stating that a statue in and of itself is not racist.....it's intent that makes something racist(or not)........I'm over it......and I was not defending Cac.....I don't know him well enough to say whether he is or isn't racist.....Peace?

Peace indeed!!

*But I'll never root for the Patriots so ya know.
HuckFinn Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 1:40 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Everything is context spey.
And no one is restricted from being racist.

I've said it before though. A good motto to live by is if you are doing something and you look to the left of you, and there are Neo Nazis doing the same thing, and you look to the right to find white nationalists doing it too.... You probably should re-examine whatever the hell it is you're doing.

That's a long motto, but I like it....
bgz Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 2:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Everything is context spey.
And no one is restricted from being racist.

I've said it before though. A good motto to live by is if you are doing something and you look to the left of you, and there are Neo Nazis doing the same thing, and you look to the right to find white nationalists doing it too.... You probably should re-examine whatever the hell it is you're doing.



So....

No pissing in urinals in Mississippi.
HuckFinn Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
So....

No pissing in urinals in Mississippi.

They have urinals in Mississippi?
bgz Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 3:33 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
They have urinals in Mississippi?


*shrug*

I was trying to think of an example where I could find a racist on either side of me doing the same thing I was doing...

That's all I could come up with.
HuckFinn Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 3:43 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
*shrug*

I was trying to think of an example where I could find a racist on either side of me doing the same thing I was doing...

That's all I could come up with.

Was good. For a process of elimination joke.
victor809 Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 4:00 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Was good. For a process of elimination joke.


huh.... a subtle way of calling it a ****ty joke... :)
bgz Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
huh.... a subtle way of calling it a ****ty joke... :)


I thought the joke was a bit pissy personally.
HuckFinn Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 4:25 PM EST
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And so it begins....

What would Sigmund say!?

I know. "Don't forget to wipe"
tailgater Offline
#116 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:15 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Oh. I'm an adequate racist. Whew!

I agree that it's lazy or mean-spirited or "weak" to associate "different with inferior".

That largely describes organized indoctrinated racists, right?

I guess I don't think that describes almost everyone else. The same as with the unknown, I think differences make us fearful. And we instinctively hate what we fear.

I feel superior to noone. Cept that guy Z maybe.
No, seriously, you assume that I feel superior to others based on skin tone or ethnicity?
I won't even defend against that. That's absurd.


Your words. Not mine.

You can't qualify that "Everyone is racist" and then claim that you don't personally feel superior to others.
victor809 Offline
#117 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:16 PM EST
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I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?
tailgater Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:18 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
They have urinals in Mississippi?


At the end of the buffet.

Pay attention.
tailgater Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?


depends.
at what elevation do you live?
victor809 Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:27 PM EST
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Well I'm going to 7000 ft this weekend.

....hmmm....


I better not look left or right there.
frankj1 Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 6:27 PM EST
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never gonna make 500...running out of hate
Speyside Offline
#122 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 8:48 PM EST
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Victor, I think you also need to take intent into account. It seems to me that is part of context.

The guy on the right is a Neo Nazi who is drawing Swastikas, the guy on the left is a white supremacist who is drawing Swastikas. Pretty obvious this is about fear, hate, and intimidation. The guy in the center is drawing Swastikas so it must be about fear, hate, and intimidation. Yet when translated from Sanskrit it means good and to be. The man in the in the center is a Hindu. To him it symbolizes many things, luck, Surya, and Brahma to name a few. If he had been a Viking, a Greek, a Buddhist, or a Jain the meaning would have been different yet again.

So I don't think it is so clear that Jocko is a racist symbol. Rather I find it a racist symbol and understand how people of color find it a racist symbol. But I respect that to Rick it is something else entirely.
tailgater Offline
#123 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 8:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Well I'm going to 7000 ft this weekend.

....hmmm....


I better not look left or right there.


Didn't that swivel neck of yours already get you in trouble in the showers?
tailgater Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 8:55 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Victor, I think you also need to take intent into account. It seems to me that is part of context.

The guy on the right is a Neo Nazi who is drawing Swastikas, the guy on the left is a white supremacist who is drawing Swastikas. Pretty obvious this is about fear, hate, and intimidation. The guy in the center is drawing Swastikas so it must be about fear, hate, and intimidation. Yet when translated from Sanskrit it means good and to be. The man in the in the center is a Hindu. To him it symbolizes many things, luck, Surya, and Brahma to name a few. If he had been a Viking, a Greek, a Buddhist, or a Jain the meaning would have been different yet again.

So I don't think it is so clear that Jocko is a racist symbol. Rather I find it a racist symbol and understand how people of color find it a racist symbol. But I respect that to Rick it is something else entirely.


Then why does he call it Little Blackie?

Let's ask Huck.
He studied Jockey Gnomes 101 in college.
Speyside Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:05 PM EST
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Wouldn't big blackie be silly?
tailgater Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:11 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Wouldn't big blackie be silly?


More like redundant.
RMAN4443 Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 9:40 PM EST
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All the years this things been around, the most interest it's ever gotten has been from my little brother hugging and loving it like a buddy, mention it here,and now it seems to overshadow everything I've ever done...amazing
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 11:07 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
All the years this things been around, the most interest it's ever gotten has been from my little brother hugging and loving it like a buddy, mention it here,and now it seems to overshadow everything I've ever done...amazing

consider it invited to the next herf
RMAN4443 Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018, 11:30 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
consider it invited to the next herf

Well,it would probably feel right at home...it lived in Randolph for 35 or so years ,before my grandparents passed on
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#130 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 1:13 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?




No that makes you a vain azzhole


AND you "play" Rugby
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#131 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 6:06 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
I dunno, way I see it, everyone's bigoted or racist to one extent or another....

Is what I said.
According to dictionaries, the strict definition of 'racism' includes a feeling of superiority to other, different races . And 'bigoted' a superiority to others' ideas and opinions

But according to psychologists it's more complicated. Racism is prejudice against a particular group based on perceived differences. And it's taught.

According to psychologists it goes deeper than just feelings of superiority: fear, hate, need to belong to something and projection are just as key.

I still stand by that statement. I never met a man who didn't harbor some prejudice.

"While all racists are prejudiced, not all prejudices are racist. Prejudice is a human phenomenon involving cognitive structures we all learn early in life. Racism, on the other hand, is prejudice against a particular group of people based on perceived differences, sometimes taken to the extremes" (psychology today magazine)

The thing that disturbs me in all this is the fact that until we all recognize and admit to ourselves that maybe sometimes we do fear, hate and project our insecurities on to others that are different ethnically, racially , even sexually, we'll never eradicate prejudice.
Can't get rid of what you can't admit exists.
HuckFinn Offline
#132 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 7:35 AM EST
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TG, you may call me whatever you want. It's amusing. Life has humbled me. I know I'm not superior to others. If anything I feel inferior to most. I hate, fear, love and welcome everyone.
tailgater Offline
#133 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 8:57 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
TG, you may call me whatever you want. It's amusing. Life has humbled me. I know I'm not superior to others. If anything I feel inferior to most. I hate, fear, love and welcome everyone.


I haven't called you anything (in this thread) that you didn't tell me was true.

You can't say everyone is racist and then get upset when I call you racist.

It's like you WANT to be offended.





You seem fixated on telling us what WE feel inside.
It's a liberal tendency, so it's not surprising.

I don't stake claim to being without prejudice. Heck, I might have more of them then you.
And I might be more vocal about them than I should be at times.

But to assume my prejudice is based on skin color just proves the idiom about when you "assume".
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#134 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 10:08 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I haven't called you anything (in this thread) that you didn't tell me was true.

You can't say everyone is racist and then get upset when I call you racist.

It's like you WANT to be offended.





You seem fixated on telling us what WE feel inside.
It's a liberal tendency, so it's not surprising.

I don't stake claim to being without prejudice. Heck, I might have more of them then you.
And I might be more vocal about them than I should be at times.

But to assume my prejudice is based on skin color just proves the idiom about when you "assume".










Tedious. Damn it.

I said everyone is either, either! racist or bigoted (someone intolerant of different opinions)

OK. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I've miscalculated and I'm assuming people
"feel things inside" that don't exist. And that makes me a so and so...and...yawn

And maybe most people instinctively harbor fear and suspicion for people that are clearly different.

Until I see a poll...oh right...they're usually fake....so...nm

Anyway, where did I say that YOU personally held a prejudice against people of color??
tailgater Offline
#135 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 11:41 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Tedious. Damn it.

I said everyone is either, either! racist or bigoted (someone intolerant of different opinions)

OK. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I've miscalculated and I'm assuming people
"feel things inside" that don't exist. And that makes me a so and so...and...yawn

And maybe most people instinctively harbor fear and suspicion for people that are clearly different.

Until I see a poll...oh right...they're usually fake....so...nm

Anyway, where did I say that YOU personally held a prejudice against people of color??


The subject was a black lawn jockey.
You said EVERYONE is "either bigoted or racist".

There isn't any wiggle room here.

I may not feel a need to be a conformist, but I usually assume that I'm included in the group known as "everyone".


Besides.
You know I don't think you're racist.
I'm just using your own words to show you how utterly pathetic and ill conceived your comment was.

Tell me this:
If everyone is either bigoted or racist, then why do the left wet their collective panties and claim that Trump is a bigot and/or racist?
HuckFinn Offline
#136 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 12:23 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The subject was a black lawn jockey.
You said EVERYONE is "either bigoted or racist".

There isn't any wiggle room here.

I may not feel a need to be a conformist, but I usually assume that I'm included in the group known as "everyone".


Besides.
You know I don't think you're racist.
I'm just using your own words to show you how utterly pathetic and ill conceived your comment was.

Tell me this:
If everyone is either bigoted or racist, then why do the left wet their collective panties and claim that Trump is a bigot and/or racist?





Tons of wiggle room. They were separate ideas. But as they were in the same post and to make a 'point you artificially clumped them together....good thing I didn't mention my allergy to collard greens.
You disagree with me consistantly and undoubtedly think your opinions and ideas are superior to mine, no?
By definition that makes you bigoted.

Ducks.

Yeah, not gonna defend Trump. But TG, civilized and kind men are self-censoring and decent enough to show at very least, civility and respect. He'll read or hear that something he said about countries being chitholes is racist and attack the messenger! No excuse for his statements regarding Mexicans and immigrants of color. Save it.

We see Trump with very different eyes and I don't see him as tolerant. The opposite actually.
If he was my mechanic, so what. He'd just be another jerk. No filter required (see what I did there....?)
But Donald is our president, yawn, and represents me! And us! And he knows who is base is. And they sure ain't people of color. And he nurtures that.

Just bad form

Pick what I've said apart. But if you don't see how Donald is racist there's, well...that
dstieger Offline
#137 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 12:46 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Tons of wiggle room. They were separate ideas. But as they were in the same post and you tend to clump....
You disagree with me consistantly and undoubtedly think your opinions and ideas are superior to mine, no?
By definition that makes you bigoted.

Ducks.

Yeah, not gonna defend Trump. But TG, civilized and kind men are self-censoring and decent enough to show at very least, civility and respect. He'll read or hear that something he said about countries being chitholes is racist and attack the messenger! No excuse for his statements regarding Mexicans and immigrants of color. Save it.

We see Trump with very different eyes and I don't see him as tolerant. The opposite actually.
If he was my mechanic, so what. He'd just be another jerk. No filter required (see what I did there....?)
But Donald is our president, yawn, and represents me! And us! And he knows who is base is. And they sure ain't people of color. And he natures that.

Just bad form

Pick what I've said apart. But if you don't see how Donald is racist there's, well...that



I, too, disagree with you pretty consistently, Huck. But, I'll agree to a large degree with your assessment that Trump is not all too 'self-censoring', 'civil', respectful, tolerant, or even unbiased. Bad form? Agreed. But, I'm not sure any of that precludes him from having a 'successful' presidency. (Which of course can't be objectively judged by anyone for at least a couple/few decades.) He's far from my ideal president. But, I'm confounded by the mentality (sometimes described as TDS) that prohibits even the detractors from EVER projecting anything other that total negativity.
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#138 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 12:50 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I, too, disagree with you pretty consistently, Huck. But, I'll agree to a large degree with your assessment that Trump is not all too 'self-censoring', 'civil', respectful, tolerant, or even unbiased. Bad form? Agreed. But, I'm not sure any of that precludes him from having a 'successful' presidency. (Which of course can't be objectively judged by anyone for at least a couple/few decades.) He's far from my ideal president. But, I'm confounded by the mentality (sometimes described as TDS) that prohibits even the detractors from EVER projecting anything other that total negativity.

I'm POSITIVE I'd do his daughter.
dstieger Offline
#139 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 12:52 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm POSITIVE I'd do his daughter.


Such great news. Poor Tiffany just gets neglected most of the time.
tailgater Offline
#140 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 2:43 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Tons of wiggle room. They were separate ideas. But as they were in the same post and to make a 'point you artificially clumped them together....good thing I didn't mention my allergy to collard greens.
You disagree with me consistantly and undoubtedly think your opinions and ideas are superior to mine, no?
By definition that makes you bigoted.

Ducks.

Yeah, not gonna defend Trump. But TG, civilized and kind men are self-censoring and decent enough to show at very least, civility and respect. He'll read or hear that something he said about countries being chitholes is racist and attack the messenger! No excuse for his statements regarding Mexicans and immigrants of color. Save it.

We see Trump with very different eyes and I don't see him as tolerant. The opposite actually.
If he was my mechanic, so what. He'd just be another jerk. No filter required (see what I did there....?)
But Donald is our president, yawn, and represents me! And us! And he knows who is base is. And they sure ain't people of color. And he natures that.

Just bad form

Pick what I've said apart. But if you don't see how Donald is racist there's, well...that




Trump isn't civilized or self-censoring. We agree.
The rest of your post is conjecture by someone who is blind with hatred towards President Donald Trump.


tailgater Offline
#141 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 2:45 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm POSITIVE I'd do his daughter.


"Who wouldn't?"
-D. Trump
Speyside Offline
#142 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 2:54 PM EST
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Dave, it is possible to be against Trump and not always be negative towards him. This is just not accurate. Do I bash Trump often, yes. Do I always bash Trump, no. I find a certain amount of the bashing here irrelevant. Such as Stormy Daniels. WGAF? I find a few things he does very presidential. Such as not entering a bad trade agreement, and demanding to renegotiate a bad trade agreement. So it would be nice if conservatives looked at liberals individually. I try to look at conservatives that way.
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#143 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 3:16 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Such great news. Poor Tiffany just gets neglected most of the time.


She can watch!whip
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#144 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 4:52 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I, too, disagree with you pretty consistently, Huck. But, I'll agree to a large degree with your assessment that Trump is not all too 'self-censoring', 'civil', respectful, tolerant, or even unbiased. Bad form? Agreed. But, I'm not sure any of that precludes him from having a 'successful' presidency. (Which of course can't be objectively judged by anyone for at least a couple/few decades.) He's far from my ideal president. But, I'm confounded by the mentality (sometimes described as TDS) that prohibits even the detractors from EVER projecting anything other that total negativity.

I'm as sick of the constant cnn and msnbc picking Trump apart as anyone. I miss the news.

That said, I think Trump's instability does preclude him from having a successful presidency.
I don't want this guy making critical decisions at critical moments. He's a loose cannon.

He's done a few things domestically, typical republican-agenda type things that I can't criticize him for.
And I wonder if his bravado hasn't actually worked to our advantage in some cases.
So, props.

But I'm personally convinced that he's in Putin's pocket (along with many in his crew).

And that disqualifies him as a successful president imo.
Also don't think it's going to require decades to assess his tenure.
I see the chit.... and i see the fan.
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#145 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 5:06 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Trump isn't civilized or self-censoring. We agree.
The rest of your post is conjecture by someone who is blind with hatred towards President Donald Trump.



Probably not the last time you're gonna accuse me of hating Donald.

But this is the last time I'm gonna respond to it .

I've said repeatedly, he amuses me. He has moxy. He's an original. He's FUNNY!

*Deep breath....aaaaaooooooommmmm

I don't hate Donald.
I hate that he's my president but
But I don't hate Donald

I hate almost everything he says and does
But I don't hate Donald

I hate many things you say
And I don't hate you

Am I getting through....is this thing on???

I need a scotch...
HuckFinn Offline
#146 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 5:09 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm POSITIVE I'd do his daughter.

For God's sake it doesn't actually reach does it?
Bones33 Offline
#147 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 5:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I personally feel superior to all of you.


Does that make me racist?


No. That makes you a liberal sissy.
Like Aunt Vickie
Do us all a favor. Adjust your skirt and peel your pasties off.
victor809 Offline
#148 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 5:59 PM EST
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Did you type that in the most superior tone you could muster?

I swear... some people have no sense of irony...
JadeRose Offline
#149 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 6:11 PM EST
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What the f*ck is happening here? This started as some sort of homo-erotic fantasy of fat Victor in a Speedo...one I share, BTW...and morphed into a pissing contest. Can't we all just fantasize about Fat Victor and get along?
HuckFinn Offline
#150 Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018, 6:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did you type that in the most superior tone you could muster?

I swear... some people have no sense of irony...

What do you expect from someone who brags he's been boned 33 times...
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