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Austin Serial Bomber...
rfenst Offline
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Discuss...
dstieger Offline
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What can be said at this point? I don't believe in coincidences much, so I do want to know why the earlier two guys were targeted, but today's bomb adds so much complexity to the problem, that its hard to put much coherent thought against it.

You get the impression from tv and cop shows in recent years that there's almost no urban spot/street/area not covered by cameras --- seems surprising that cops haven't mentioned any video of anyone suspicious yet...unless they do have some and are holding their cards close
frankj1 Offline
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maybe it's the camera installer guy.
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
maybe it's the camera installer guy.

I blame Steve Anxious
Gene363 Offline
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The latest used a tripwire in a white neighborhood so the targets are not just blacks or the POS is wanting to appear neutral after observing the news. Since there has been no announcement taking credit, it may be the POS is getting his jollies terrorizing the city. It would not surprise me later we hear about a voicemail to a goverment entity that was missed, like the recent bridge disaster.

"The explosions have effectively occurred in a ring outside of Austin’s core, which includes downtown, the Texas capitol and the University of Texas.

These three explosions all detonated in the eastern part of Austin, affecting areas where black and Hispanic residents live, prompting some in the area to question whether the initial blast would have prompted more urgency had it gone off in a more affluent, predominantly white neighborhood."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/18/two-injured-in-explosion-in-austin-police-say/?utm_term=.2c36cb1234aa

Rant on

I've got more respect for a meth head holding up a liquor store than bombers. They kill indiscriminately and often kill or maim people that may even share their view of the world.

Rant off
Speyside Offline
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Certainly this is horrible. Other than that I find it impossible to draw much of an realization of why this is happening. No real information is available.
cacman Offline
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Explosion at FedEx near San Antonio could be linked to Austin blasts, FBI says

(CNN) Investigators are trying to determine whether an explosion early Tuesday at a FedEx facility outside San Antonio is connected to four explosions that have rattled the Austin, Texas, area this month.

The most recent blast happened inside a FedEx facility in Schertz, Texas, FBI San Antonio spokeswoman Michelle Lee said. Schertz is a San Antonio suburb that is roughly an hour's drive southwest of Austin.

One FedEx team member suffered minor injuries when a "single package exploded" at the ground sorting facility, company spokesman Jim McCluskey said Tuesday in a statement. An ATF spokeswoman earlier had said no injuries were reported.

"We are not providing any additional specific information about this package at this time," McCluskey said.

Based on preliminary information gathered at the scene, Lee said there could be a connection with the four Austin explosions, which killed two people and injured four others over 17 days starting March 2.

"We suspect it is related to our investigation," Lee said.

If the FedEx incident is confirmed to be linked to the Austin blasts, it would represent a new method for bomber or bombers. None of the four previous explosives was mailed.

The ATF could not confirm that the latest explosion is associated with the Austin blasts, ATF spokeswoman Nicole Strong said. The ATF's Houston field division is at the FedEx facility in Schertz, the agency said on Twitter.

FedEx is "working closely with law enforcement in their investigation," McCluskey said.

In Austin, authorities have been combing for clues to the four explosions there, the first three of which involved cardboard packages that were left in front yards or porches and weren't delivered the US Postal Service or services such as UPS or FedEx, police say.

In the fourth blast, a device was triggered by a tripwire Sunday, injuring two men, police said.

Key developments

• President Donald Trump has been briefed on the Austin bombings, a White House spokesman said Monday, adding that the White House pledges its support to local law enforcement.

• Three members of the Congressional Black Caucus called Monday for federal officials to classify the bombings as terrorist attacks and determine whether they are "ideologically or racially motivated."

• The NAACP called the incidents "acts of domestic terrorism" and called for vigilance and caution for communities in Austin.

The four Austin bombings

Many minority residents in Austin have been on edge since the bombings started, as the first three explosions -- one on March 2, and two more on March 12 -- killed or wounded minorities who received packages at their doors. Police have not uncovered a motive and have not ruled out the possibility those bombings could be hate crimes.

The fourth explosion injured two white men, who were injured by a device left on the side of a road.

"The use of a tripwire is far less discriminating than leaving parcel bombs at residences and suggests that the latest victims were not specifically targeted," the global think tank Stratfor Threat Lens said.

The use of a tripwire suggests that the bomb maker, if he or she made all four Austin devices, is perhaps more sophisticated and capable of making a more complex bomb, law enforcement and analysts have said.

What agencies are involved?

At the state level, about 100 Texas Department of Public Safety officers, sergeants, and special agents, as well as the Texas Ranger bomb squad, bomb-sniffing dogs, intelligence agents and helicopters are also involved, CNN affiliate KXAN reported.

Police departments in Houston and San Antonio are sending bomb technicians and canine teams to Austin, their police chiefs said Monday.

More than 350 special agents assigned by the FBI, as well as ATF agents and forensic investigators in Quantico, Virginia, are on the Austin case.


To read the full story: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/austin-explosions/index.html
Gene363 Offline
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The FedEx bombing might not be related. It could be a disgruntled shipper or customer out to prove they really do play football with packages, I'm just saying.
Gene363 Offline
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They found him and he killed himself with a bomb before they could arrest him.
victor809 Offline
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Yep... good ending
RMAN4443 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Yep... good ending

explosive!
DrafterX Offline
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The video games warped his mind I bet... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
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The POS bomber was 24 years old so we need to pass a law to restrict shipping packages until your 30 years old.
teedubbya Offline
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Only packages designed to kill
RMAN4443 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Only packages designed to kill

No weed killer or mouse traps or feminine products for yeasty infections?Think
frankj1 Offline
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I have killer package
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I have killer package

so mature Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
No weed killer or mouse traps or feminine products for yeasty infections?Think




I've never used a package to kill either of these. Maybe Frank has.
RMAN4443 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I've never used a package to kill either of these. Maybe Frank has.

What do you keep your weedkiller, mousetraps, and yeasty infection medicines in?

I guess I forgot to add.......Sarcasm
victor809 Offline
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He was homeschooled... that explains it.
teedubbya Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
What do you keep your weedkiller, mousetraps, and yeasty infection medicines in?

I guess I forgot to add.......Sarcasm



a harmless package... not like franks... he needs a license to carry that thing and stuff
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victor809 wrote:
Yep... good ending


Have to agree... bad guy dead = good.
frankj1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
a harmless package... not like franks... he needs a license to carry that thing and stuff

illegal in 37 states.
frankj1 Offline
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MACS wrote:
Have to agree... bad guy dead = good.

money saver.
deadeyedick Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
The POS bomber was 24 years old so we need to pass a law to restrict shipping packages until your 30 years old.


They blow up so young these days.
frankj1 Offline
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deadeyedick wrote:
They blow up so young these days.

very nice!
Gene363 Offline
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deadeyedick wrote:
They blow up so young these days.


LOL
delta1 Offline
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so....the bomber was a white conservative home-schooled Christian...is that why this hasn't been labeled an act of terrorism?
frankj1 Offline
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I'm calling it terrorism.
dstieger Offline
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The FBI defines domestic terrorism as acts perpetrated by “individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.”
dstieger Offline
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I'm not sure why this is an issue. Why is the 'terrorist' label important to anyone? What makes this conversation volatile?
frankj1 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I'm not sure why this is an issue. Why is the 'terrorist' label important to anyone? What makes this conversation volatile?

true, the official definition may rule out the terrorism label later on, but to me the goal of terrorists is to create fear for their cause to advance.
dstieger Offline
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I agree 100%. In my mind, this guy got off on creating fear and 'terror'...and in my mind that makes the acts 'terrorist'....but why is the label of any importance? Is this anything more than an opportunity to argue and accuse the 'other side' of something political, or racial, or ?????? Seems stupid to me
frankj1 Offline
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sounds right.
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Labeling acts of violence and terror as "terror" has become a cultural clash, and, in some minds, indicative of racial and religious divides in the US.

Use of the term "terrorism" became a big deal when Obama was scorned for not saying 'radical Islamic terrorism". Trump has no problem using that phrase, particularly the term "terrorism" when acts of violence are committed by minority persons. Here, the deceased bomber is being called a "very challenged young man."

Labels (subversives, commies, extremists) have been used throughout American history to villify large, mostly minority, groups of people.


There could be a monetary factor here, also: defining an act of violence with the term "terror" invokes a decision to provide federal funding to local govts to aid in the investigation and follow-up of terrorism incidents.
dstieger Offline
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so...labeling is bad....and 'not labeling' is bad
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I've always gone with the philosophy that for it to be "terrorism" there should be a message. Ie... do what we want or there will be more deaths...
That fits with radical islam (get out of the middle east) or radical Christians (we're killing people until our nation becomes more christian!)

In this case I don't see it.

This guy seems more like a serial killer than a terrorist... so far...
delta1 Offline
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here's an interesting article about the use of the word "terrorist" in the US, especially in cons media...

https://www.justsecurity.org/46778/conservative-correctness-terrorism-double-standard/



White terrorists seem to get a pass while minority perpetrators, especially with Muslim sounding names, are called terrorists. It seems that the most common source of terrorist incidents in the US is by white supremacists, but their crimes are not labeled terrorism (i.e. Dylan Roof & Charlottesville driver). This contributes to the anti-immigration movement, less focus of resources and effort to fight a major threat of domestic terrorism. and the civil divide between the races in America.
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The, "Is it terrorism or not?" problem comes from a fear of offending the death cult by calling their barbaric acts terrorism. It's as absurd as trying to define hate crimes, a bad dead is donee, it's no better or worse because of the perpetrator's mindset.

IMO the bomber clearly terrorized Austin, a lack of manifesto or some demands doesn't diminish the harm to the people of Austin.
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Which death cult?
Gene363 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Which death cult?


Aloha Snakbar
DrafterX Offline
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Well, we don't want to create a panic on the color-coded terrorism threat advisory scale thing... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Brown is the only color left on it.
tailgater Offline
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Don't forget red.
teedubbya Offline
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Yours got ripped huh?
Gene363 Offline
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Reading the Politics posts I figured the current color code was orange. LOL
DrafterX Offline
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Depends on which side you're on of course... Many prefer the red... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Trump sure does. Effin commie.
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