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This is how we know he sucked at business....
victor809 Offline
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@realDonaldTrump
I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!

4:57 AM - Mar 29, 2018

So the USPS... a stand alone agency... which is funded through usage fees... is going to cause a "loss to the US" through higher usage.

f#cking moron....
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
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And most amazon shipments don't even go through the USPS anyway...
banderl Offline
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victor809 wrote:
@realDonaldTrump
I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!

4:57 AM - Mar 29, 2018

So the USPS... a stand alone agency... which is funded through usage fees... is going to cause a "loss to the US" through higher usage.

f#cking moron....



His problem is with Bezos, of course he doesn't have the balls to be honest about that.
Phil222 Offline
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This is funny because Trump doesn’t pay his taxes either.

While I don’t approve of Amazon’s actions, they’re only one of many companies in the U.S. who have similar business practices and pay little to no taxes.

It makes me wonder why Trump would single them out? Could it have something to do with Jeff Bezos being a neo-liberal democrat who just so happens to own the Washington Post? A paper that bashes him on the regular? I don’t know.

I do know that Trump's tax bill made it easier for companies to go overseas and pay little to no taxes, so this story is quite entertaining on many levels...that being said, I hope Trump does something about it. It would be one of his better accomplishments in my opinion.
victor809 Offline
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
And most amazon shipments don't even go through the USPS anyway...


If anything he should be complaining that Amazon isn't using the USPS to support the government business....

but instead he claims they use the USPS, and that mailing packages costs the US tax payers.....


f-ing idiot...
banderl Offline
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Phil222 wrote:
This is funny because Trump doesn’t pay his taxes either.

While I don’t approve of Amazon’s actions, they’re only one of many companies in the U.S. who have similar business practices and pay little to no taxes.

It makes me wonder why Trump would single them out? Could it have something to do with Jeff Bezos being a neo-liberal democrat who just so happens to own the Washington Post? A paper that bashes him on the regular? I don’t know.

I do know that Trump's tax bill made it easier for companies to go overseas and pay little to no taxes, so this story is quite entertaining on many levels...that being said, I hope Trump does something about it. It would be one of his better accomplishments in my opinion.



That and the fact that his fat cat, mall owning, real estate buddies are getting killed by internet sales.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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banderl wrote:
His problem is with Bezos, of course he doesn't have the balls to be honest about that.



Prolly hates it when someone has nicer stuff than him!


https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/02/09/amazon-reportedly-developing-delivery-service-compete-fedex-and-ups/322725002/


Ooooopsie...someone didn't get the memo!Whistle
banderl Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Prolly hates it when someone has nicer stuff than him!


https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/02/09/amazon-reportedly-developing-delivery-service-compete-fedex-and-ups/322725002/


Ooooopsie...someone didn't get the memo!Whistle



Why would he hate Bezos for that?
Isn't competition good for the economy?
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Amazon’s ‘power and influence’ in U.S. economy too great, Bernie Sanders says

On the heels of President Trump blasting American mega-corporation Amazon over its low tax liability, Sen. Bernard Sanders on Sunday backed up the president and said the company’s “power and influence” in the U.S. economy has grown too large.

The Vermont independent said Amazon, which owns The Washington Post and Whole Foods, produces its own TV shows and films, and reportedly could move into the pharmaceutical sector, is at least partly responsible for the sharp decline in American retail.

Mr. Sanders was asked on CNN’s “State of the Union” program whether he thinks Amazon has gotten too big.

“Yeah, I do,” he said. “This is an issue that has got to be looked at. What we’re seeing all over this country is the decline in retail. We’re seeing this incredibly large company getting involved in almost every area of commerce and I think it is important to look at the power and influence that Amazon has.”

Mr. Trump over the weekend tweeted that The Washington Post should register as a lobbyist for Amazon, and then said the company is taking advantage of taxpayers by using low U.S. Postal Service rates to deliver its packages.

“If the P.O. ‘increased its parcel rates, Amazon’s shipping costs would rise by $2.6 Billion.’ This Post Office scam must stop. Amazon must pay real costs (and taxes) now!” Mr. Trump said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/1/bernie-sanders-says-amazon-power-and-influence-us-/


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So now Bernie the commie is joining in on the Amazon bashing. Interesting.

David (dpnewell)
victor809 Offline
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Not the point of the thread.

Amazon bashing is fine-ish... (not really for the president of the USA though)...

Claiming that using the post office and giving them business is causing a "loss to the us" is a sign the president is an idiot.... especially since Amazon doesn't even really use USPS...
Gene363 Offline
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According to Fortune the USPS is giving Amazon a Huge Subsidy

http://fortune.com/2017/07/16/amazon-postal-service-subsidy/

Quote:
The U.S. Postal Service and Amazon have a special relationship. In 2013, for instance, the USPS agreed to offer Sunday delivery of Amazon packages.

But shipping industry watcher and money manager Josh Sandbulte thinks there’s an ugly underside to the USPS-Amazon collaboration. Sandbulte, writing in the Wall Street Journal last week, argued that the USPS effectively subsidizes the price of shipping Amazon’s packages.

According the Sandbulte, Congress has barred USPS from setting its parcel prices below its costs, to keep it from unfairly undercutting competitors like FedEx and UPS. But the formula for calculating those costs, set in 2006, hasn’t kept pace as packages have come to make up a higher and higher percentage of USPS volume. The law set the share of infrastructure costs associated with packages at 5.5%, but boxes now make up around 25% of Postal Service revenue.


In our area only one in twenty Amazon packages use UPS, the vast majority are delivered by the USPS. Even UPS and FedEx have an economy smart post (longest shipping times ever) that use the USPS for final delivery to the customer. Amazon also uses other shippers to move packages to local post offices for actual delivery.

Our local carrier says the USPS gives huge preference to Amazon packages above all others.
victor809 Offline
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And they are still paying the same price as all other companies shipping packages through USPS correct?

HuckFinn Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:




So now Bernie the commie is joining in on the Amazon bashing. Interesting.

David (dpnewell)

Huh? Bernie isn't a Communist!
Sheez.
He's a Socialist.
Big difference!

Gene363 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
And they are still paying the same price as all other companies shipping packages through USPS correct?



It was hard to tell, there is so much Trump hubris on the issue, however I found a freight related website that says Amaon has a sweetheart deal with the USPS, a $1.46/package subsidy, but I believe it is due to Federal law that should benefit any company.

Quote:
Congress prevents USPS, through the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, from changing the parcel price. This law is designed to avoid “unfair competition” with FedEx and UPS. Section 3626 of Title 39 United States Code has become one of the provisions often quoted whenever limits imposed on USPS are being researched.


The Amazon deal includes Sunday deliveries ad that may be the only special consideration.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/2017/8/1/amazons-sweetheart-deal-with-the-usps
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Huh? Bernie isn't a Communist!
Sheez.
He's a Socialist.
Big difference!



Yes, yes, yes, I know, he labels himself as a Socialist Democrat (i.e. Commie lite). Happy now?

David (dpnewell)
HuckFinn Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Yes, yes, yes, I know, he labels himself as a Socialist Democrat (i.e. Commie lite). Happy now?

David (dpnewell)

Herfing
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Here in SJ (Philly Metro area) the vast majority of Amazon deliveries come by their own delivery service. As a Prime Member I can even get same day delivery on certain items.

David (dpnewell)
HuckFinn Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Yes, yes, yes, I know, he labels himself as a Socialist Democrat (i.e. Commie lite). Happy now?

David (dpnewell)

Herfing
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Not the point of the thread.

Amazon bashing is fine-ish... (not really for the president of the USA though)...

Claiming that using the post office and giving them business is causing a "loss to the us" is a sign the president is an idiot.... especially since Amazon doesn't even really use USPS...



Victor, maybe I'm wrong, but from what I have read, the USPS loses money every year and has to be bailed out by the taxpayers. I think that was Trump's unclear and muffed point. That Amazon is taking advantage of the US taxpayer, which I agree is a irrelevant point. IMO Amazon is just taking advantage of the lowest cost delivery available as any smart company would do. What Trump should be addressing is, why is the US taxpayer subsidizing the USPS year in and year out?

David (dpnewell)
Bad Mr Frosty Offline
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I've had an amazon business for over almost a decade now, so I can't really say anything bad about them. If anything, they're just getting hate because they're so hard to compete with. I will say this though, USPS sucks to deal with, Waaaay less professional than any of the actual parcel services when there's a problem.
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Geah USPS got mad because we didn't pick up the mail everyday. Wtf.
Bad Mr Frosty Offline
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Yah, I shipped an Amp a few years back and they sent it back to me BROKEN IN HALF. Literally, the entire wooden frame was broken. They tried to not pay out on the insurance. What idiot made that call? "Yahhhhh, it's busted..... CLAIM DENIED!" Pshhh
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Did it go to 11.. Huh
Bad Mr Frosty Offline
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Lmao, no, it was an Marshall. Only the British made ones go to 11.
Gene363 Offline
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Bad Mr Frosty wrote:
I've had an amazon business for over almost a decade now, so I can't really say anything bad about them. If anything, they're just getting hate because they're so hard to compete with. I will say this though, USPS sucks to deal with, Waaaay less professional than any of the actual parcel services when there's a problem.


Thread jack warning

As an Amazon seller are you allowed to ship non Amazion packages in Amazon packing? The reason I ask, my wife buys some tings on eBay and a lot of them come shipped from Amazon as a gift or just an Amazon shipment.
Gene363 Offline
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Even if Amazon pays the same rate as everyone else, they get preferential treatment. Amazon packages almost always arrive faster than other shippers using USPS Priority mail service. Sometimes it is because Amazon has their packages dropped off at the local PO for final delivery, but it happens when two shippers send their packages to a the USPS distribution point nearest them to be completely handled by the USPS. The Amazon package will get here first because of preferential handling that other shippers do not receive.

Granted, this is only my experience and it varies across the country, some USPS aggregation hubs are notorious for taking much longer than other, e.g., LA and San Antonio. I prefer to shop online, other than fresh groceries if I cannot get it online, I probably don't need it.
victor809 Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Victor, maybe I'm wrong, but from what I have read, the USPS loses money every year and has to be bailed out by the taxpayers. I think that was Trump's unclear and muffed point. That Amazon is taking advantage of the US taxpayer, which I agree is a irrelevant point. IMO Amazon is just taking advantage of the lowest cost delivery available as any smart company would do. What Trump should be addressing is, why is the US taxpayer subsidizing the USPS year in and year out?

David (dpnewell)


You're not wrong Dave... but ironically, they claim they need the bailout because of LACK of use of the postal service. You know, declining use of first class mail because of increased email use.

If (and this is a huuuuge if) the costs of package shipping through the USPS exceed what they are charging, they should simply raise their rates. The USPS was never intended to be a tax subsidized institution, and if they are losing money on every package shipped, then this has nothing at all to do with Amazon and they are not pricing appropriately.

Hell, lets play a "what if" game (not my favorite, but humor me just this once)... if amazon shipped exclusively through FedEx... and never used the USPS... I bet his tweet would claim that they're costing the US government money by not using the USPS.

He had no clue what he was talking about.... and was planning on criticizing amazon regardless...

But more importantly, he isn't smart enough to understand how companies make a profit or stay in the black. The USPS is supposed to remain in the black. If it isn't (and it doesn't appear to be) that's bad. But one doesn't bring a company into the black by taking away customers. You just change your fee structure.
victor809 Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Even if Amazon pays the same rate as everyone else, they get preferential treatment. Amazon packages almost always arrive faster than other shippers using USPS Priority mail service. Sometimes it is because Amazon has their packages dropped off at the local PO for final delivery, but it happens when two shippers send their packages to a the USPS distribution point nearest them to be completely handled by the USPS. The Amazon package will get here first because of preferential handling that other shippers do not receive.

Granted, this is only my experience and it varies across the country, some USPS aggregation hubs are notorious for taking much longer than other, e.g., LA and San Antonio. I prefer to shop online, other than fresh groceries if I cannot get it online, I probably don't need it.


IF they are getting preferential treatment like sunday delivery, that must imply that the USPS wants their business.

That should imply that there is a profit margin to be made on each package delivered, such that enough deliveries will pay for overhead costs.

I have no idea what the pricing structure is... but it sounds like people smarter than trump want the USPS to do business.
Gene363 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
IF they are getting preferential treatment like sunday delivery, that must imply that the USPS wants their business.

That should imply that there is a profit margin to be made on each package delivered, such that enough deliveries will pay for overhead costs.

I have no idea what the pricing structure is... but it sounds like people smarter than trump want the USPS to do business.


I agree, however Federal law prevents them from being competitive with commercial delivery services. It's nice when corporations have enough whores in Congress to keep them in business.
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Bad Mr Frosty wrote:
Lmao, no, it was an Marshall. Only the British made ones go to 11.




Marshall IS a British amp.
JadeRose Offline
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and this is all a crock of horseshit. Trump, The POTUS, is going after an American Company because he hates the founder and CEO of that company. Nevermind that Americans work there, own stock in the company, etc. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and criticizes Trump all the time. Tough shit. You're the President. Put on your big girl panties and suck it up.
victor809 Offline
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The f-ing moron is doubling down on dumb...

Tweeted again this morning the false claim that Amazon is using the post office in some way incorrectly.

Amazon stock went down again... took out nasdaq. **** is costing people money because of his dumb poorly considered rants.

They only way I'll believe this guy understands how businesses work is if he secretly shorted Amazon shares before his idiotic rants.
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JadeRose wrote:
and this is all a crock of horseshit. Trump, The POTUS, is going after an American Company because he hates the founder and CEO of that company. Nevermind that Americans work there, own stock in the company, etc. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and criticizes Trump all the time. Tough shit. You're the President. Put on your big girl panties and suck it up.

Bezos owns The Washington Post.
Exactly. Trump doesn't want to be potus. He wants to be dotus (dictator )

The press is a serious obstacle to how he wants to govern.
Mussolini and Hitler eliminated , step by step, free press.

I don't think Trump is an evil despot but I do think complete control is the only way he knows how to get results.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-war-on-the-press-follows-the-mussolini-and-hitler-playbook
frankj1 Offline
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It Can't Happen Here
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delta1 Offline
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better get a copy before it's banned...but don't use Amazon...
frankj1 Offline
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I might have a copy in my bomb shelter
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