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Sarah Palin was right
tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Sarah Palin was laughed at.
Mocked.
Ridiculed.

She said that a single-payer, socialized health care program would include Death Panels.
A board of people who made decisions on when to let people die.

It was outrageous.
That would NEVER happen in a civilized country.


Well, the impossible is happening.
England has a government run healthcare system.
And they overstepped their ethical duty.
Again.


Alfie Evans is the latest tragedy.
A story that could not end well. Alfie's life was over as we know it. That much is generally agreed.

And if we let logic persevere over emotions, the decision to cease the life support can be easily justified from an economic and even from a humanitarian point of view.

But when the parents are denied their right to transport their dying son out of the country? Even though a Vatican hospital in Italy agreed to accept Alfie in?
When the English healthcare system and their courts demand that he stay so that they may pull the plug?

And when we learn it's not the first time?

Sarah Palin.
Nostradamus.
the distinction is blurred.


Buckwheat Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
tailgater wrote:

Sarah Palin.
Nostradamus.
the distinction is blurred.




I agree with you that Palin and Nostradamus belong in the same group. Beer
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted:
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I agree that in this case, the parents wishes should have been supported - if no risk to local doctors or insurers.

But, I get why it wasn't a slam dunk. We can forget ever getting health care costs under control if we don't get to the point where it is ok for someone/thing to be the arbiter.

What were the potential outcomes of different paths in this case? A few more days? Weeks? Full life expectancy? I have no idea. Does it matter? What's a stranger's extra week of life worth? Is it the same as a parent or child? Who gets to say? It better be someone other than family. If you found that your mother could buy a few months to live, but it would cost ten million dollars - would you have a right to be upset if your insurance company said 'not happening'? Nobody wants to admit it, but cost of health care is in real money -- not monopoly dough -- and without a tough guy in charge saying, "No",...then we'll never control costs. Because like it or not, everyone is going to have to come to terms with cost/benefit -- as ridiculous as it seems to be putting dollar value on life or quality of life.
Phil222 Offline
#4 Posted:
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We have a history of deciding who lives and dies by the size of a person's wallet.
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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Would England's Death Panel have been so quick to pull the plug if Alfie were Jimmy Kimmel's kid?

tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
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And I still find it funny how the left is so silent on this.

Prevent a woman from getting an abortion? Front page news.
Prevent a parent from bringing their kid to Italy to receive life support? Front page is still mewling about the failed abortion.

And Palin got abused for her Death Panel quip.
And even though this is America, the system in England was propped up by the left as an example of how it should work.

Short memories, these liberals.
Or else they simply lack Obama's penchant for apologies.

Either way...

dstieger Offline
#7 Posted:
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Posts: 10,889
Phil222 wrote:
We have a history of deciding who lives and dies by the size of a person's wallet.


Perhaps.


Is that wrong?

As I said above, health care costs actual, real money. Maybe someone who can afford better care should get it. What's the alternative?
tailgater Offline
#8 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Perhaps.


Is that wrong?

As I said above, health care costs actual, real money. Maybe someone who can afford better care should get it. What's the alternative?


This is a dangerous topic.
I agree with you, but to say it out loud is to open yourself up to the hoards.

US citizens have a right to basic healthcare.
We have no problem subjecting our aging population to basic medicare. You want more? Pay for the additional coverage.

Why does the Jimmy Kimmel crowd think it's OK to expect premium care without paying for it?

It's not like the insurance industry chooses wealthy kids to receive better care. They offer plans for every budget. And the government is there for those who can't afford any of those.
Government Cheese is not supposed to be as good as a fine, cave aged Gouda.

Phil222 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
dstieger wrote:
Perhaps.


Is that wrong?

As I said above, health care costs actual, real money. Maybe someone who can afford better care should get it. What's the alternative?


I try my best not to think in terms of right or wrong on these types of issues. My original comment was attempting to point out that we have our own versions of death panels and that no healthcare system is perfect.

I happen to like universal/hybrid type systems similar to the NHS. I like the idea of covering everyone at around half the cost of what we're currently paying, while still providing similar health outcomes.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted:
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Posts: 98,546
I seen her boobs once... Mellow
fiddler898 Offline
#11 Posted:
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Sarah Palin... who is that again?
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