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From the party of personal responsibility...
victor809 Offline
#1 Posted:
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The president's press secretary, when asked about the WH staffers "joke" about McCain dying soon defended it by saying:

"If you aren't able, in internal meetings, to speak your mind or convey thoughts or say anything that you feel without feeling like your colleagues will betray you, that creates a very difficult work environment."

The WH is taking no responsibility for having hired a person who would joke about a senator dying soon... They are instead complaining that their employees have a 'difficult work environment' because they can't be the horrible people they are without being leaked on....

.... This is simply not how that's supposed to work.

DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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Would you rather she lied about McCain..?? Not talking
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted:
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....or maybe hire people who don't consider that something to joke about? You know... "Be best"?
jjanecka Offline
#4 Posted:
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Thank god the white house said this. So tired of living in the "Nanny State" post Obama.
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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Party of personal responsibility?

I didn't think you were even old enough to remember that supposition.
Gene363 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Oh the humanity! BFD

Sounds like the staffer would feel right at home if they were posting here.
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Exactly. And no one here is qualified to work in the WH.

ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Funny how some are all for enforcing the Logan act and makes claims of confirmation bias, then change their tune when they want to stir the pot and show their own hypocrisy.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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That's a string of nonsense completely unrelated to anything said in this thread or elsewhere...
cacman Offline
#10 Posted:
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McCain should have got his treatment at the VA along side of his other vets. Then this wouldn't be a story today.
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted:
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As a Senator he has the choice of another health care option. He chose what he felt was best for him. Why is this a story? What does it have to do with Victors thread? Are you chewing bark again?
dstieger Offline
#12 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:


.... This is simply not how that's supposed to work.




IDK...I think this is precisely how its supposed to work. I have a strong sense that Trump accepts, maybe even encourages, an atmosphere in which subordinates are both able to speak their minds, even painfully....and in which they are continually in conflict; competitive to the point that leaks of a personal nature that don't reflect specifically on Trump are going to be common.

If I rate the four or five 'issues' at play in order of significance, I have them this way...though none are anywhere near outrage-inducing:

1. McCain's absence -- can't talk about it, but on everybody's mind. I consider him a hero and have a ton of respect for him. But, geez...it is way past time to go. Resign, already. Sixth term alone should be enough for that. But since his surgery last July, he's missed over 135 votes. AND, he's a committee chairman. Resign, already. Broad proclamations from his bed about how Republicans should vote isn't sufficient. Its not like there's any indication that he is going to ever be able to return. Resign with dignity, already.

2. The leak -- Probably stupider than the comment. This does damage to the WH, is petty, and disloyal; even if unsurprising.

3. WH reaction -- BFD. Maybe should 'ASK' her to publicly apologize -- low risk, remove this from the news cycle and move on....not sure why they haven't, but I don't much care

4. Staffer's comments -- stupid and insensitive. So what? It may diminish her standing in the eyes of her associates in the room, but so what? Chances are that nobody in that room thought that compassion was her strong suit. Was a closed door meeting and the comment should have stayed there. Doesn't reflect on Trump, the broader administration or anyone else but her, IMO.
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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idk...Trump and his WH is turning American politics into a daily reality TV show...I'm too lazy to look up the numbers, but I'll bet more people are tuning into the Daily Trump Show than any other President...


edit: I was wrong, at least as far as cable "news" is concerned...total viewership numbers across the board, including the Daily Trump Show on Fox is down from Q1 2017...
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
IDK...I think this is precisely how its supposed to work. I have a strong sense that Trump accepts, maybe even encourages, an atmosphere in which subordinates are both able to speak their minds, even painfully....and in which they are continually in conflict; competitive to the point that leaks of a personal nature that don't reflect specifically on Trump are going to be common.

If I rate the four or five 'issues' at play in order of significance, I have them this way...though none are anywhere near outrage-inducing:

1. McCain's absence -- can't talk about it, but on everybody's mind. I consider him a hero and have a ton of respect for him. But, geez...it is way past time to go. Resign, already. Sixth term alone should be enough for that. But since his surgery last July, he's missed over 135 votes. AND, he's a committee chairman. Resign, already. Broad proclamations from his bed about how Republicans should vote isn't sufficient. Its not like there's any indication that he is going to ever be able to return. Resign with dignity, already.

2. The leak -- Probably stupider than the comment. This does damage to the WH, is petty, and disloyal; even if unsurprising.

3. WH reaction -- BFD. Maybe should 'ASK' her to publicly apologize -- low risk, remove this from the news cycle and move on....not sure why they haven't, but I don't much care

4. Staffer's comments -- stupid and insensitive. So what? It may diminish her standing in the eyes of her associates in the room, but so what? Chances are that nobody in that room thought that compassion was her strong suit. Was a closed door meeting and the comment should have stayed there. Doesn't reflect on Trump, the broader administration or anyone else but her, IMO.


I would order it 1, 4, 3, 2.... but that's because I'm looking at it from a causal standpoint.

Imagine it wasn't a simply "insensitive" comment.... I mean, we could go as far as a WH staffer saying they enjoy child porn, but I won't because that changes the field a little (legality vs illegality). What if a WH staffer couldn't read? That's an indicator that the person should not be in the WH staff, yet not illegal. Would you be more irritated by the leak, or by the fact that our WH is hiring completely inept people to perform a job which is reasonably important, and which they are well compensated for.

That's what's being highlighted every time there is one of these leaks trump likes to claim are traitorous. The leaks are each showing instances of people acting in a manner that demonstrates they are extraordinarily underqualified for the positions they are in.

Nobody really cares if a single individual is looking forward to McCain passing or not. He's a big boy, he can handle not being universally loved. What people don't like is that the staffer is so incompetent at their job that they don't understand that's not an appropriate joke, that after they said something inappropriate they are even more incompetent as to not understand that the best way to make something like this go away is an immediate apology, not blame the people who leaked.

I mean.... jesus christ...
You can't avoid issues like #1 happening. But if you hire good people, then you don't have #4 occurring. If there is no #4, then there is no worry about 3 or 2... (and someone of even mild competence could avoid 3).
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted:
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so.....apparently the offending staffer, Kelly Sadler, is on the communications staff and has a focus on illegal immigration....IMO, the WH message on that topic has been ineffective, except to the 'base'...on the basis of that, maybe she should be fired.


people blurt out stupid **** in private meetings when attempting humor....it happens....doesn't make her incompetent as you suggest


I was taking her to task for not apologizing, but it is suggested that 'not apologizing' is something of a house rule, so maybe she's just following orders
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
As a Senator he has the choice of another health care option. He chose what he felt was best for him. Why is this a story? What does it have to do with Victors thread? Are you chewing bark again?


Is chewing bark worse than its bite?

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