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Why is nothing being said or done about John Kerry ???
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SteveS Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, May 16 2018, 8:34 PM EST
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For a year and a half now, we've had a constant drumbeat about "collusion" ... congressional committees and a special prosecutor have yet to dig up any substance ...

Yet, former Secretary John Kerry has been openly meeting with Iranian officials, working with them to undermine the foreign policy of the United States ... I have little doubt as to why the political left is silent on the matter, but what of the supposed neutral media ??? Where are the so-called "watchdogs" ???

According to US Law, John Kerry not only could, but SHOULD be doing prison time for his activities ...

but the media is mute .... not a whisper of outrage ...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/wheres-the-outrage-over-kerrys-secret-meetings-on-the-iran-deal/2018/05/11/0022ff18-546e-11e8-a551-5b648abe29ef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.526d7a44d4c8
teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, May 16 2018, 8:40 PM EST
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Hmm. Knew what he’s doing but haven’t seen one reputable lawyer claim it’s not legal.

You’ve got him convicted. What are the charges again and whose Justice Department is ignoring this since the media can’t?
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, May 16 2018, 9:19 PM EST
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actually, I posted something a couple of weeks ago, not a new thread though, just a post.

tail gaiter even commented about how I'm now considered a republican in MA. cuz of that, shooting guns and some other non PC thing I do.
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, May 16 2018, 9:24 PM EST
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and SteveS- I had read about it in the Boston Globe! Weeks ago

can't say many outlets on any side of the political spectrum has gone too wild about it though, so maybe tw is correct in that it isn't a crime.

I just felt that no matter how I view right from wrong on our foreign policy, sometimes those in charge are not sharing my views but I have to live with that, not undermine it.

not easy, but keeps the bus moving forward.
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, May 16 2018, 11:57 PM EST
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Actually, the Logan Act says: “Any citizen of the United States . . . who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government . . . with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government . . . in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

Illegal ??? ... yes, absoluely
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 1:03 AM EST
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Any specifics on what Kerry and the Iranian officials are talking about?
Ewok126 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 2:45 AM EST
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Why is nothing being said or done about John Kerry ???

I have not said nothing because I do not give a chit enough to.

Politics is for drama queens. I got enough of that in my own life to add more.


delta1 wrote:
Any specifics on what Kerry and the Iranian officials are talking about?


My guess... How granny use to make a kick ass Chelow kabab and how the smell of rice would fill the house? Anxious
tamapatom Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 6:24 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Any specifics on what Kerry and the Iranian officials are talking about?

Golf and grandchildren?
Burner02 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 6:47 AM EST
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Uncle John is probably covered by the "stupidity clause". No prosecution just for being stupid.

Do wonder if John Taylor went along to provide a little mood music to set the tone.
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 8:58 AM EST
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The justice department is the one to go after him not the press.

I’ve always said go after all wrong doing be it Hillary or Trump or whomever. Don’t decide such things based on party.

It’s a R justice department and AG. An R Congress etc. if it’s a clear cut violation like you say easy Peasy. Nail it.

Is it possible you don’t understand the details and requirements? Is it possible if you register correctly and do things in the open it changes things?

I don’t know.

But if it’s a violation go get ‘em. He’s a douche anyway.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 9:12 AM EST
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If CNN wanted him the FBI would go get him... Lock Him Up..!! Mad
bgz Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 11:09 AM EST
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Does he even have an official position in government any more?

I thought he was done.
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 11:18 AM EST
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How is it NOT the job of the press when someone not in an INCOMING cabinet is discussing things like this against a sitting POTUS? wow bro, surprised to read that from you.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 11:33 AM EST
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The job of the press is to report and I have no doubt they'd report if he was doing something illegal or being investigated as such. It seems folks want the press to report what they want and what serves their needs. The press is reporting on his actions. I've read it, heard it and seen it, you've read it, heard it and seen it. The fact that anyone in here proclaims it illegal is irrelevant.

The press doesn't prosecute anyone. I'm not saying the press shouldn't report it. You read too much in to things. The press isn't the point.

If what he is doing is so definitely illegal and he should be locked up as stated above, the press isn't the mechanism. The republican lead justice department should go after him and the court should lock him up. I'm all for it.

Maybe just maybe the press isn't going after him and claiming what he is doing is illegal because what he is doing is not illegal? I look to the justice department and the court as an indicator here. I don't know if it is and I've seen many times folks in here proclaiming something definitely illegal. The scholars in here think Hillary should be in jail and can prove it! Is it important the press call it illegal even if it isn't? Is that what we want? Many in here were so convinced obama wasn't born here and the press needed to report on that.... although it wasn't true.

We know what he is doing based on the press reporting (otherwise we wouldn't know). It seems the issue is folks want the press to report how illegal it is despite the fact that it doesn't look like anyone in authority is taking issue with it legally. Maybe someone at justice is investigating it though. who knows. if the AG or fbi is looking in to it and the press gets wind of it they WILL report it.

$$ and copy drives them.

I just think the press the press the press is like marsha marsha marsha.

If he's doing something wrong go after him. I'm all about that. Illegal is illegal. Lock him up lock him up. But if he is simply doing somehting I don't like. Meh. Trump is being seriously investigated. Hopefully nothing comes of it. But that is definitely news. The news here is Kerry is doing something you and I don't like, which is being reported.. There's not more to it at the moment.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 11:47 AM EST
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Well, what about Ernie and Bernstein taking down Nixon..?? Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 11:51 AM EST
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If you don't think ernie and bertstein would report on kerry doing something illegal or being investigated for doing something illegal than your politics has completely blinded you. The press are fickle whores.

Yes there are definite biases.... but the hysterics are not reality and for every ernie and bertstein there are now an equivalent right leaning lavern and shirly. No one is getting away with things in todays day and age. Shep is on the prowl.
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 12:20 PM EST
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Wonder if Dennis Rodman is gonna get indicted...
bgz Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 12:26 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Wonder if Dennis Rodman is gonna get indicted...


They can't, that would be cruel and unusual punishment to the other inmates if he lost.
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 12:48 PM EST
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John Kerry stands as the preeminent beacon of filth and moral decay in a land replete with subjects who embrace these failings as their badge of honor.
Where hypocrisy is not a slur against one's character, but merely a new bar to be challenged and conquered.

Of course he is violating the Logan Act.

That's what the Massachusetts liberal elite politicians do to a republican POTUS.
(see Kennedy/Reagan/Kremlin)
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 12:51 PM EST
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so you know who he is talking with and what they are talking about...
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 1:38 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
John Kerry stands as the preeminent beacon of filth and moral decay in a land replete with subjects who embrace these failings as their badge of honor.
Where hypocrisy is not a slur against one's character, but merely a new bar to be challenged and conquered.

Of course he is violating the Logan Act.

That's what the Massachusetts liberal elite politicians do to a republican POTUS.
(see Kennedy/Reagan/Kremlin)






If it is of course then the republicans should fire up the machine and prosecute him. Unless...they cant because its not of course.

Otherwise I agree with you about Kerry.
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 6:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If it is of course then the republicans should fire up the machine and prosecute him. Unless...they cant because its not of course.

Otherwise I agree with you about Kerry.

of course you agree.
you want back in for the dinner.
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 8:11 PM EST
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Innocent in till proven guilty. At this point in time all that can be verified is Kerry met with people. That you think he did something has no legal bearing.

1) That he spoke with members of Congress would be lobbying, legal.

2) That he spoke with the French and Germans, maybe legal, maybe not, we do not know at this time.

3) That he spoke with the Iranians, maybe legal, maybe not, we do not know at this time.

4) Is he being investigated at this time, maybe, maybe not, we do not know at this time.

5) In due time answers may come out.

6) If he is dirty hopefully he gets what he deserves.
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Innocent in till proven guilty. At this point in time all that can be verified is Kerry met with people. That you think he did something has no legal bearing.



We don't have proof.
But that does not mean that we do not know.

I allow naivete within discussions when it isn't based on the absurd.

And when I'm talking with a stacked chick.

Just sayin'.
Speyside Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 9:15 PM EST
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Not naive, accurate from a legal perspective. Does innocent until proven guilty have no meaning to you? I think he is guilty. Until this is proven I know he is innocent. That's the way we roll here, this isn't North Korea.
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, May 17 2018, 9:27 PM EST
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sudden hankering for kimchee
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 8:01 AM EST
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Frank is low on kimchee..?? Huh
Abrignac Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 8:43 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
sudden hankering for kimchee



Need a 🚌 driver ASAP!!!
Abrignac Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 8:44 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Need a 🚌 driver ASAP!!!



Is kimchow related to her?

d'oh!
delta1 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 12:11 PM EST
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OK, it is established that Kerry met with some Iranians to try to salvage the Iranian Denuclearization Deal...

To be honest and consistent, Kerry should face the same consequences that I said Flynn and other members of Trump's campaign should face when they were meeting with Russians and Ukaranians and who knows who else during the transition between the elections and taking office. Investigate and determine if laws were broken...if so, prosecute...
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Not naive, accurate from a legal perspective. Does innocent until proven guilty have no meaning to you? I think he is guilty. Until this is proven I know he is innocent. That's the way we roll here, this isn't North Korea.


You a lawyer?

We're having a discussion. Not arresting him.
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 12:17 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
OK, it is established that Kerry met with some Iranians to try to salvage the Iranian Denuclearization Deal...

To be honest and consistent, Kerry should face the same consequences that I said Flynn and other members of Trump's campaign should face when they were meeting with Russians and Ukaranians and who knows who else during the transition between the elections and taking office. Investigate and determine if laws were broken...if so, prosecute...


So an incoming team has no right to create relationships and build trust, unless we compare their actions to the old guard clearly contradicting the current administration's decree?

Trumps team had a legitimate reason to be there.
Kerry is way past his expiration date.
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 12:25 PM EST
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Not according to the law...

but in reality, neither will face prosecution...plenty of former WH politicians go around the world after leaving office to arm-twist, usually as paid mercenaries...is it right, if the message being spread is contrary to the current administration's policies? Guess it depends on whether or not you support who is in office...
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 12:31 PM EST
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Boom.

Tail just explained why what Trump did is possibly a problem and what Kerry did might not be.

He's past expiration date. He's not peddling power or peddling the potential for future access. Not really significantly different than any of us going somewhere and telling foreign leaders what we think they should be doing with their country.

That's a bigger problem when you are in the midst of trying to take over power of a country... Suddenly there is an implication of "you help me gain power and I help you with x"

Not claiming anyone is innocent or guilty... Just trying to explain why one is likely a bigger story than the other
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, May 18 2018, 12:48 PM EST
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Didn't he tell someone Trump would be gone soon... Think
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