America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 5 years ago by tailgater. 59 replies replies.
2 Pages<12
My Kids Won't Be Shooting Up Schools, A Solution?
Jump to Bottom | Previous Topic | Next Topic
tailgater Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 9:01 AM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Brewha wrote:
Deluding the issue with a convent “look over there!”.....

Like I said, someone gets weapons that are carelessly left available by the unresponsible - and your take is that mothers should not work out of the home.

Get real man - I have to show a drivers license to get OTC sinus medication - but 100 rounds is like buying cigarettes.


Your first sentence was prophetic for the remainder of your post.

So you've got that going for you.
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 9:13 AM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
HuckFinn wrote:
Stupid people use cell phones while driving. And statistically sure, they kill more innocent people than school shooters do.

But this is a thead about school shootings. Why muddy it up with irresponsible vehicular manslaughter? Why deflect?

Shootings aren't borne out of stupidly. They're carefully planned intentional murders.

Start a new thread. Killer cell phones. Or: Look over here, Not at school shootings.

And as regards mourning? I call bs. Who besides parents and loved ones of these victims is mourning. Mourning. A joke. Empty rhetoric. Maybe until it hits home we're all full of best wishes, prayers and bs.
Cause if it was your kid you'd probably be doing more than pontificating.

Finally, when I hear someone say the 'left' is responsible for school shootings I know that that poster has given up looking for solutions to the problem, lost objectivity, playing the blame game and lazily abandoned critical thinking.

What happened to us working together to solve things?
We coulda been contenders...we coulda been somebody...


Good post.
Although I think we can't dismiss the discussion and "start a new thread" each time there is a counter point. Sorry if it confuses some.
The thread is about school shooting. But not really that. It's about kids dying. If people shoot up a school and nobody dies we're not talking about it.
We're talking about dead kids.
And responsibility (or lack thereof).

Your kid is more likely to die from text-driving then they are from a school shooting.
Because they dodge that proverbial bullet every single day.
And not only do we do nothing about it, we literally enable them to do it. Hell, we PAY to enable them. We buy the smart phone. We buy unlimited 4G. And then we make them promise to never use it while driving. Like we make them promise to never drink or smoke or have unprotected sex.
Yeah. That'll work.

So let's talk about guns. Because some people DO use them against kids. And that's why we should punish ALL gun owners.
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 10:25 AM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,161
tailgater wrote:
Your first sentence was prophetic for the remainder of your post.

So you've got that going for you.


I’m sure it appealed to different people on different levels.
HuckFinn Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 12:51 PM EST
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
tailgater wrote:
Good post.

We're talking about dead kids.
And responsibility (or lack thereof).

Your kid is more likely to die from text-driving then they are from a school shooting.
Because they dodge that proverbial bullet every single day.

So let's talk about guns. Because some people DO use them against kids. And that's why we should punish ALL gun owners.


TG, your point is well taken, sorta.

Grownups are culpable in both instances to varying degrees.

Down the road, maybe gun manufacturers can incorporate combination locks on guns and motion/disabling features on cellphones. But meanwhile, back in the killing fields...



You lose me when you sarcastically add that reasonable people see it it as either fair or feasible to remove all guns. But ok, probably some do...but doesn't add to the conversation...

Regarding school shootings specifically, for reasons that are complicated but very real and deadly, some extremely angry kids are killing fellow students. Damn, even grownups are mass murdering with gun as their weapon of choice. Right? Guns are a variable in the lethal equation just as much or more as any other contributing factor.

My larger point is that there is a mood in our country that is at the root of these murders. We've become a sociopathic society. We've neglected to teach all our children the value of life and fundamental civility. We're teaching them instead to follow their base instincts. You're angry? Explode! You're insulted? Lash out?

Something rotten is afoot. And I washed them!

The reasons why kids have unprotected sex and murder are very different.
RMAN4443 Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 2:10 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
HuckFinn wrote:
TG, your point is well taken, sorta.

Grownups are culpable in both instances to varying degrees.

Down the road, maybe gun manufacturers can incorporate combination locks on guns and motion/disabling features on cellphones. But meanwhile, back in the killing fields...



You lose me when you sarcastically add that reasonable people see it it as either fair or feasible to remove all guns. But ok, probably some do...but doesn't add to the conversation...

Regarding school shootings specifically, for reasons that are complicated but very real and deadly, some extremely angry kids are killing fellow students. Damn, even grownups are mass murdering with gun as their weapon of choice. Right? Guns are a variable in the lethal equation just as much or more as any other contributing factor.

My larger point is that there is a mood in our country that is at the root of these murders. We've become a sociopathic society. We've neglected to teach all our children the value of life and fundamental civility. We're teaching them instead to follow their base instincts. You're angry? Explode! You're insulted? Lash out?

Something rotten is afoot. And I washed them!

The reasons why kids have unprotected sex and murder are very different.




You keep saying we, when you mean "the parents of these children".
I was taught right from wrong(morals), by my parents, and I worked hard to pass those morals and beliefs on to my children....and my children are working hard to pass them on to their children.
My kids were brought up around guns and were taught the "rules". They also played video games. They were also taught to control their tempers......not always easy to do, even for us "grownups".
As far as I know my kids or grandkids have not hurt or killed anyone, so I like to think some of what they were taught by my words and actions sunk in.....That being said, the parents that are out drinking and drugging and have no idea what their kids are doing or who they are doing it with, are being taught different lessons.
I realize both parents need to work to make it in this world, but you also need to set some time aside for your kids too(you had enough time to create them, so take some responsibility for them).
Kids learn from their parents one way or the other, good or bad, by their parents example. If the parents don't set the right example, kids will look to others for those examples, good/bad. I would think most "grownups" would want their kids to learn right and wrong from them, and not the guy down the street who beats his wife and kids and drives home drunk every night.
Correct me if I'm wrong(and I'm sure you will), but it is YOUR job to teach YOUR children right from wrong-NOT MINE!
My job is teaching MY children and offspring respect for others and to stand up for their beliefs while respecting the beliefs of others.......and That killing someone because you disagree with them is very very BAD!!! horse
frankj1 Online
#56 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 3:33 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
I'm not ready to indict society due to the actions of a percent of a percent of a tenth of a percent of kids.

Lots of articles pining for the good old days when we were raised right...the same as was said and written by the generation before ours, and the generation before that and on and on.

the current crop of kids is never as good as the current crop of parents were...from any decade.

same as it ever was.
HuckFinn Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 3:50 PM EST
Joined: 07-10-2017
Posts: 2,044
RMAN4443 wrote:
You keep saying we, when you mean "the parents of these children".
I was taught right from wrong(morals), by my parents, and I worked hard to pass those morals and beliefs on to my children....and my children are working hard to pass them on to their children.
My kids were brought up around guns and were taught the "rules". They also played video games. They were also taught to control their tempers......not always easy to do, even for us "grownups".
As far as I know my kids or grandkids have not hurt or killed anyone, so I like to think some of what they were taught by my words and actions sunk in.....That being said, the parents that are out drinking and drugging and have no idea what their kids are doing or who they are doing it with, are being taught different lessons.
I realize both parents need to work to make it in this world, but you also need to set some time aside for your kids too(you had enough time to create them, so take some responsibility for them).
Kids learn from their parents one way or the other, good or bad, by their parents example. If the parents don't set the right example, kids will look to others for those examples, good/bad. I would think most "grownups" would want their kids to learn right and wrong from them, and not the guy down the street who beats his wife and kids and drives home drunk every night.
Correct me if I'm wrong(and I'm sure you will), but it is YOUR job to teach YOUR children right from wrong-NOT MINE!
My job is teaching MY children and offspring respect for others and to stand up for their beliefs while respecting the beliefs of others.......and That killing someone because you disagree with them is very very BAD!!! horse

I mean society when I say 'we': politicians, media sources, teachers, parents, cops, all of us.
Something has changed in our lifetimes. Now roadrage can get you killed.
Used to be just flipping the bird .

You don't detect a general impatience and even animosity between people in the country now? I do. And I'm not looking to blame anyone cause I don't really know why it's happening. Just that it seems self evident. Just turn on Fox or MSNBC. Everyone's nasty. Everyone is sick of opposing points of view.
Sure, you're friendly to the cashier at the supermarket and you've taught your kids to be respectful I'm sure, but in the big picture some kids are gathering this intel that anything goes.

And I don't agree that bad kids invariably come from bad parents and good ones from good parents. And examples? To a kid examples, good and bad, are everywhere. Even guys like Nikolas Cruz has and will probably continue to provide an example for some screwed up kid.

It's an easy out to just throw in the towel and say we're doomed as a nation.

Society needs a reset. The way I see it anyway.
Speyside Offline
#58 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 5:59 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Huck,
No one knows what the entire answer to this problem is. The complexity of the problem seems to be beyond our present ability to understand. There certainly seem to be multiple components. Insufficient parenting, acceptable violence, mental health, bullying, weapons, the daily news, video games, and lack of value for human life seem to be parts of the problem. Probably there are many more parts. How do we solve something so complex? Society will not reset or return to the past, that much is obvious. How do we direct society to a better place while still remaining a democracy? Darned if I know. I think I don't know is creating a stasis. People do care, they just don't know what to do. I know I am offering no solutions. I do understand your frustration and compassion. Just my 2 cents.
tailgater Offline
#59 Posted: Mon, May 28 2018, 7:12 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
HuckFinn wrote:


The reasons why kids have unprotected sex and murder are very different.





True.
But that's not what I said.
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages<12
Back to Top