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Paul Manafort : JUDGE ORDERS HIM DETAINED AND JAILED AFTER HEARING TODAY
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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victor809 Offline
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And note...

Trump stated today "I feel badly about a lot of it because I think a lot of it is very unfair,........Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. But, I tell 'ya, I feel a little badly about it."

Trump's campaign manager....

...had nothing to do with the campaign....

WTF does this orange moron expect us to believe his campaign manager was doing?
Buckwheat Offline
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victor809 wrote:
And note...

Trump stated today "I feel badly about a lot of it because I think a lot of it is very unfair,........Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. But, I tell 'ya, I feel a little badly about it."

Trump's campaign manager....

...had nothing to do with the campaign....

WTF does this orange moron expect us to believe his campaign manager was doing?



Tax fraud, money laundering, and illegal lobbying is what he was doing. Sick
ZRX1200 Offline
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For 49 days. Thats how long he was campaign manager.

How long ago are these charges from? I don't know if he's guilty or not, but if you think these charges are anything other than leverage to justify this circus you're foolish.
victor809 Offline
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He was part of the campaign from March ... Was promoted to campaign manager in June.

You can pretend this is just a circus. I'm not going to bother trying to convince you otherwise....
tailgater Offline
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Victor just convinced me this is a circus.

delta1 Offline
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He did a lot of his shady deals working for Russian oligarchs in Ukraine before being hired by Trump. He was Trump's campaign manager heading into the RNC, where there was a last minute adjustment in the party platform regarding reducing the type of aid the US would provide to the Ukrainians against the Russian invaders. Might've been the first public instance of connections between Trump's campaign and Russia.

Could be Trump was unaware of Manafort's relations to Russia. Trump seems to insist, and to show, his lack of knowledge more and more about more and more...but all these ties to Russia between Trump and his peeps...coincidence?

Manafort will prolly end up serving more than 49 days...until Trump pardons him...

If he broke the laws, shouldn't he be prosecuted regardless of how his crimes came to light or when they occurred? We have statute of limitations on prosecution, and none of Manafort's crime fit into the limits, so...explain why he shouldn't be prosecuted.

Or is there an unwritten law that wealthy people are above the law?
DrafterX Offline
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Hillary would be a good example of that... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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OIG report just concluded that the decision not to prosecute her was correct...Jeff Sessions is the Attorney General and he's got the horsepower to prosecute her...why doesn't he...
DrafterX Offline
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Cause she's above the law.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
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But Hillary, but Trump. Please. This is about Manafort, no one else.
frankj1 Offline
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8 posts!
a new record for restraint.

ages ago I said the zillions of dollars that bought influence, not so much votes, would be the story, and pointed right at Manafort. It was exactly his political/financial position that made him attractive to someone wanting to cut the Red tape (see what I did there?) who wanted to build a Trump Moscow Tower.

Only later did a run for president occur, and his profile was even more valuable. And an unmistakable positive public relations spin began about Putin.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Right Spey, 12 year old banking issues.....this is such a huge case they've been working on it this long....right, not about getting to Trump at all. Yup. Just read the FBI texts. Professionals to the T.
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Z, I think you are wrong, I do not see the conspiracy you do. I also do not see, look Manifort may have done this so Trump must be guilty of something. The charges are serious ones. If true he should be in jail. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck.
DrafterX Offline
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Screw the ducks..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
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my man!
DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
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delta1 wrote:


If he broke the laws, shouldn't he be prosecuted regardless of how his crimes came to light or when they occurred? We have statute of limitations on prosecution, and none of Manafort's crime fit into the limits, so...explain why he shouldn't be prosecuted.

Or is there an unwritten law that wealthy people are above the law?



DrafterX wrote:
Hillary would be a good example of that... Mellow

Hillary and Bill were broke when they left the White House....so broke they took $200,000 worth of china and furnishings when they left...just to make ends meet don't cha know Anxious

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/the-clinton-furniture-flap/
frankj1 Offline
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but Manafort?
DrafterX Offline
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Double tap.. Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
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^^^PAUL GOT A DOUBLE TAP...

of DUECE sperm ....

Last night...

Not LEAD...

AND NOW HE'S READY TO SING LIKE A BIRD...

ZIPPIDY DOOO DAAAAA
ZIPPIDY DAYYYYYYY
MY OH MY WHAT SONG BIRD PAUL BE TODAYYYY
DrafterX Offline
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Zippidy Doo Daaa
Zippidy Day... Laugh
delta1 Offline
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Manafort started working for the Trump campaign in March, 2016 and became manager in June...he was fired in August, because of his Russian/Ukrainian money problems...despite what Trump says, he was there long enough to have inside knowledge and to have an impact on major decisions about how the campaign operated...

Wasn't Manafort on the Trump campaign team when the meeting with Russian agents about dirty Hillary happened in the Trump Towers...and wasn't he one of the Trump team, along with the two Trump boys, who attended the meeting? So...Manafort has inside knowledge that Mueller wants, and is definitely being squeezed, like a pimp(le)...

Why do you think he went to work for Trump for free? He was pretty sure he would get well compensated selling influence to the Russians he was indebted to...like maybe getting the RNC platform changed to say the US would not provide heavy weapons to the anti-Russian forces in Ukraine...like lifting sanctions that squeezed their money-making ability around the world?

He won't flip though...he's got a long history dealing with Russian thugs and owes a boatload of money to them...he knows he and his family would be safer if he goes to prison...Russian intel agents/thugs can't poison him there, can they?

But...even if Manafort is dirty and conspired with the Russians during the election, does that prove that Trump knew/was involved? Prolly not, which explains why the list of indictments against Manafort is so big...irresistible force vs immovable object...
fiddler898 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
but Manafort?


Stop changing the subject! This is about the Clintons. And Obama. And, and, and...

Oh wait.
DrafterX Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Manafort started working for the Trump campaign in March, 2016 and became manager in June...he was fired in August, because of his Russian/Ukrainian money problems...despite what Trump says, he was there long enough to have inside knowledge and to have an impact on major decisions about how the campaign operated...
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Speculation..!! Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Manafort started working for the Trump campaign in March, 2016 and became manager in June...he was fired in August, because of his Russian/Ukrainian money problems...despite what Trump says, he was there long enough to have inside knowledge and to have an impact on major decisions about how the campaign operated...

Wasn't Manafort on the Trump campaign team when the meeting with Russian agents about dirty Hillary happened in the Trump Towers...and wasn't he one of the Trump team, along with the two Trump boys, who attended the meeting? So...Manafort has inside knowledge that Mueller wants, and is definitely being squeezed, like a pimp(le)...

Why do you think he went to work for Trump for free? He was pretty sure he would get well compensated selling influence to the Russians he was indebted to...like maybe getting the RNC platform changed to say the US would not provide heavy weapons to the anti-Russian forces in Ukraine...like lifting sanctions that squeezed their money-making ability around the world?

He won't flip though...he's got a long history dealing with Russian thugs and owes a boatload of money to them...he knows he and his family would be safer if he goes to prison...Russian intel agents/thugs can't poison him there, can they?

But...even if Manafort is dirty and conspired with the Russians during the election, does that prove that Trump knew/was involved? Prolly not, which explains why the list of indictments against Manafort is so big...irresistible force vs immovable object...

Not sure about flipping Al. If you asked me two weeks ago who would be less likely to flip, I'd have said Cohen...talk about associating with Russian thugs!
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Manaford is behind bars bc he screwed up. He tampered with the Investigation.
He and Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian national and longtime Manafort business associate, are charged with attempting to influence the testimony of two potential witnesses.

The witnesses are identified in court documents as D1 and D2, principals of a public relations firm. The superseding indictment alleges that on Feb. 23, Manafort telephoned D1, and in the ensuing several days, he and Kilimnik used an encrypted text messaging application to contact D1 and D2. Their messages reminded D1 and D2 that their unregistered lobbying activity occurred in Europe, and not in the United States, where it would be illegal—a narrative that Mueller argues is contrary to the evidence in the case. In effect, Mueller argues, Manafort is implicitly asking them to lie to cover Manafort’s crime.
Mr. Jones Offline
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I just glanced over the NPR ARTICLE....

THE FEMALE JUDGE SAID...
Now this is paraphrasing from a memory on P.A.I.N.....

"MR. MANAFORT is being incarcerated because he is tampering with potential witnesses....
ASKING THEM TO LIE UNDER OATH....
THIS ISNT MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE YOU GO AROUND ASKING PEOPLE TO LIE TO THE PRINCIPAL FOR YOU...
THIS IS THE REAL WORLD....in order to get him to stop it , we have to incarcerate him and get him out of circulation..."

BWUHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Mana-fart is passing those BFF NOTES AND FOLDED FLIPPING PAPER THINGYs the chicks used to flip in and out with numbers on them....pick 2...don't tell them the truth..
Pick 3 ...my Russian oligarch buddies will pay you
$100 LARGE TO LIE..
PICK 1...if you tell the truth my ruskie thugs will waste your family tree down to the 3rd cousin...
delta1 Offline
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tampering with witnesses...so mobbish...as is money laundering, bank fraud, and.............(the big one) tax evasion...all among the dozens of charges in Manafort's indictment...

Isn't that how Al Scarface Capone was brought down?

Manafort's got an interesting back-ground, lobbying in DC on behalf of oppressive dictators around the world, including Ferdinand Marcos and Mobutu Seko, among other murderous dictators. Most currently he represented Russian backed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, which he did without registering as a foreign agent... so not all the charges are 12 years old. The "conspiracy against the US" charges against him are for recent conduct, including as a member of Trump's campaign team...One of Manafort's daughters texted her sister about the family's wealth: "don't fool yourself...that money we have is blood money"



Manafort was clear in his motives about helping Trump, emailing his Russian business partner, Konstantin Kilimnik (a suspected Russian spy also charged with witness tampering) "How can we use this (helping Trump) to get whole?" That's an irony: Trump may be right ... there WAS a spy in Trump's campaign...


It's conceivable that Trump was not involved in and had no knowledge of Manafort's shady dealings with Russia and that Manafort never informed him...that's a best case scenario for the President, unless the paper trail shows he was informed...

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I'm sure Manifort just forgot to register as a foreign agent, just like Flynn, and Kushner. They really are the good guys. The money laundering, just 12 year old banking issues, move along nothing to see here. Tax evasion? Just a minor discrepancy. Al, you are obviously an ANTIFA plant intent on creating anarchy.

Or all of the above is the TRUTH! But please spin away the TRUTH.

Hey cbid cons, why no mention of these crimes, do you hold a double standard? Oh wait innocent until proven guilty yeah, got it. Wait for it.................Hillary and Barak, are innocent since they have not been proven guilty of anything.
teedubbya Offline
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Well what he allegedly did isn’t as illegal as crossing the border looking for asylum and stuff. No tolerance.
HuckFinn Offline
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Hotdamn, lock her up already!
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Hotdamn, lock her up already!

I'm with you Huck!!!!…..Lock her up!!!!!Anxious

LOL
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I'm with you Huck!!!!…..Lock her up!!!!!Anxious

LOL

Small price to pay if it'd stop all the bitchin' n moanin' in here

Not that I think it would stop Trump zombies from continuing to defend him....
delta1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Well what he allegedly did isn’t as illegal as crossing the border looking for asylum and stuff. No tolerance.



yeah.............but he WILL be involuntarily separated from his kids...



although he'll know where they are (definitely not in some place akin to a kennel...his houses are definitely upscale)....

...and they can visit him whenever they want...
DrafterX Offline
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those 2014 Obama kennels..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
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From cnn

Sen. Lindsay Graham told CNN's Kate Bolduan that President Trump could stop the Department of Homeland Security from separating young, undocumented children from their parents when families are detained for illegally crossing the southern border.

"President Trump could stop this policy with a phone call," Graham said. "I'll go tell him: If you don't like families being separated, you can tell DHS, 'Stop doing it.'"
Earlier today, President Trump falsely blamed Democrats for the thousands of migrant children who have been separated from their parents at the US-Mexico border. His administration's zero-tolerance policy to refer anyone caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution has led to a notable uptick in the number of children taken from their parents since the change was announced in May.

So blame Obama if it makes you feel better.
But this wouldn't have happened on his watch.
And didn't.

2000 kids separated from their parents.
Nothing to be proud of America.
Pharmdman84 Offline
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“President Trump falsely blamed [insert anyone but himself]...”

That is by far his greatest skill.
SteveS Offline
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Pharmdman84 wrote:
“President Trump falsely blamed [insert anyone but himself]...”


That's because he's got versatility ... Obummer didn't have that and only blamed George Bush ...
Speyside Offline
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He even has personality. Not one that I like, but personality non the less.
DrafterX Offline
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You know how to keep families together..?? Tell them not to commit crimes together.. Mellow

And if the illegal parent really wanted their kids back all they have to do is take them back across the border.. they are choosing to be separated.. I wonder who told them to do that... Mellow
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I blame Steve
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HuckFinn wrote:
From cnn

Sen. Lindsay Graham told CNN's Kate Bolduan that President Trump could stop the Department of Homeland Security from separating young, undocumented children from their parents when families are detained for illegally crossing the southern border.

"President Trump could stop this policy with a phone call," Graham said. "I'll go tell him: If you don't like families being separated, you can tell DHS, 'Stop doing it.'"
Earlier today, President Trump falsely blamed Democrats for the thousands of migrant children who have been separated from their parents at the US-Mexico border. His administration's zero-tolerance policy to refer anyone caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution has led to a notable uptick in the number of children taken from their parents since the change was announced in May.

So blame Obama if it makes you feel better.
But this wouldn't have happened on his watch.
And didn't.


2000 kids separated from their parents.
Nothing to be proud of America.

ahem, chemical bombs in Syria/red line in the sand....how many parents were separated from their children the day Syria crossed Obama's meaningless red line?( the answer is 1400-1500)...nothing to be proud of?

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-president-blinked-why-obama-changed-course-on-the-red-line-in-syria/
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Huck, it appears that 1/3 of Americans support separating illegal alien children from their parents. This makes me quite sad. It also suprises me that so many people can be so inhumane.
teedubbya Offline
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If anyone is to the point they think our government directly taking such action is the equivalent to or justified by not stopping the trajedy in Syria then they are either not intellectually honest or are so blinded by the game they’ve lost reality.


This has to stop. They are being intentionally used as pawns.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
ahem, chemical bombs in Syria/red line in the sand....how many parents were separated from their children the day Syria crossed Obama's meaningless red line?( the answer is 1400-1500)...nothing to be proud of?

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-president-blinked-why-obama-changed-course-on-the-red-line-in-syria/

There's a maxim in chess that the threat or menace of exchange, or of occupation of some important point, is often more effective than its actual execution. Obama hoped in vain that the threat alone would stop assad from using his chemical weapons. Syria is not a chessboard. Checkmate.
Btw, I saw an interview of him where he said this decision was his biggest regret. He didn't want another prolonged war. He decided to try for airstrike authorization from a Congress he knew wouldn't give it to him instead of engaging militarily.


Couple of things: the 1400 killed in Syria were men women and children.
Comparing that to what's happening at our border makes no sense to me.

And sure, these kids don't have to be separated from their parents but, if I understand it right, only IF the parents say they're not seeking asylum and are willing to be deported. Then they get their kids back ....but for many of them they made the long, seriously dangerous hike because they were desperate. Lots of them die en route.

I know some folks call these illegals 'criminals'. But isn't trying to escape poverty, gang or political oppression for your children worth a shot? Worth a misdemeanor? I think so...
Where's the moral imperative? Your family? US immigration laws?

These aren't hardened criminals that deserve to have their families yanked apart (see what I did there?)

Separating kids from their folks and placing them in a detention-like setting is draconian.

A phone call! All Donald has to do is place a freaking call and it Stops!

This is not who we are, or is it??
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lots of people out there selling drugs and illegal guns to feed their families.....doesn't make it right......if they get caught breaking the law, what happens to their kids??
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RMAN4443 wrote:
lots of people out there selling drugs and illegal guns to feed their families.....doesn't make it right......if they get caught breaking the law, what happens to their kids??

We don't see poverty in the same way.
But that's a different conversation.

Regarding the situation of immigrants and their kids, I can't reconcile myself to what my government is doing in this instance.

You can. I don't see how there's much to discuss.
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DrafterX wrote:
Hillary would be a good example of that... Mellow


She would just be one example of that. fog
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
We don't see poverty in the same way.
But that's a different conversation.

Regarding the situation of immigrants and their kids, I can't reconcile myself to what my government is doing in this instance.

You can. I don't see how there's much to discuss.

so when does it stop? How many are you willing to support? I personally have a limited budget, and my taxes are already pretty high.
I understand how sad it is, but when do you say enough? A million, 5 million,a billion? maybe every tax paying adult should bring an immigrant family into their homes and support them.....when every taxpayer has one, then maybe you bring in another.
Where does the money come from? Your retired right? How much are you contributing from your pocket to support all these non-tax paying immigrants? Brick wall
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