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It's like he realizes his base can't read....
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Donald J. Trump
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HOUSE REPUBLICANS SHOULD PASS THE STRONG BUT FAIR IMMIGRATION BILL, KNOWN AS GOODLATTE II, IN THEIR AFTERNOON VOTE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS WON’T LET IT PASS IN THE SENATE. PASSAGE WILL SHOW THAT WE WANT STRONG BORDERS & SECURITY WHILE THE DEMS WANT OPEN BORDERS = CRIME. WIN!


Donald J. Trump
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I never pushed the Republicans in the House to vote for the Immigration Bill, either GOODLATTE 1 or 2, because it could never have gotten enough Democrats as long as there is the 60 vote threshold. I released many prior to the vote knowing we need more Republicans to win in Nov


ZRX1200 Offline
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I appreciate your DJT boner.
tailgater Offline
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Vic,
Tweets are tone deaf and lack inflection, etc.
But his tweet could be read to show that he feels the GOP really "should" vote in favor. Not because the bill can be passed. But because it will show the message that we want safe borders and the democrats don't.

That doesn't mean that he pushed for it. In fact, it suggests that he wasn't.



Now read them again and you'll see what I'm saying.

And I'm not saying you're interpretation is wrong. Simply that it's ONE interpretation and your track record on keeping it sane regarding Trump is not a good one.

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tailgater wrote:
Vic,
Tweets are tone deaf and lack inflection, etc.
But his tweet could be read to show that he feels the GOP really "should" vote in favor. Not because the bill can be passed. But because it will show the message that we want safe borders and the democrats don't.

That doesn't mean that he pushed for it. In fact, it suggests that he wasn't.



Now read them again and you'll see what I'm saying.

And I'm not saying you're interpretation is wrong. Simply that it's ONE interpretation and your track record on keeping it sane regarding Trump is not a good one.



Tail... you're right. His first tweet is saying the House GOP should vote in favor, and states that it won't pass the senate, but should show the message that they want it passed.

You're missing the second tweet. In the second tweet (3 days later) he states that he never said that the House GOP should vote in favor for it. He literally says in the second tweet that he never tried to get the House GOP to vote for the bill because he knows it wouldn't pass the senate.

Two 100% contradictory statements.

Now, it's of almost no concern to me whether he's telling house repubs to vote for it or not. But this blatant contradiction is ridiculous. It's like two different people are tweeting from that account, and neither is reading what the others wrote.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... you're right. His first tweet is saying the House GOP should vote in favor, and states that it won't pass the senate, but should show the message that they want it passed.

You're missing the second tweet. In the second tweet (3 days later) he states that he never said that the House GOP should vote in favor for it. He literally says in the second tweet that he never tried to get the House GOP to vote for the bill because he knows it wouldn't pass the senate.

Two 100% contradictory statements.

Now, it's of almost no concern to me whether he's telling house repubs to vote for it or not. But this blatant contradiction is ridiculous. It's like two different people are tweeting from that account, and neither is reading what the others wrote.


In the second tweet he said he didn't "push".
That doesn't mean he didn't think they "should".

Push is a very specific verb.

This is one reason I hate the twitter machine.
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tailgater wrote:
In the second tweet he said he didn't "push".
That doesn't mean he didn't think they "should".

Push is a very specific verb.

This is one reason I hate the twitter machine.


Ok. I'll bite.
If someone in politics uses the term "I'm pushing for these politicians to vote for X" what do you believe they are doing?

What does the very specific verb "push" mean to you in politics.

To me it means encourage them to vote for something....

DrafterX Offline
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Why am I being voted on..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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It’s the willingness by otherwise rational people to parse words to the nth degree that amazes me.

Remember a very short time ago when we would have all agreed the two statements conflicted and are absurd.

He’s mastered doublespeak.


As for the inevitable but Obama..... yup he did it and it was bad. Let’s pretend Trump is obama and not let him do it without calling him on it.

It depends what the word is is was absurd from Clinton. Let’s call this absurd too.

It’s as if the zombies are calling everyone else sick.
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Trump's not even bothering to parse his own words...

His supporters are doing it for him like over involved helicopter parents with a slow millennial.

At least we forced previous politicians to make up their own excuses....
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Ya, but at least we don't have Hillary... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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At some point you need to open your eyes and look at what is happening rather than what you think would have happened. What you think would have happened is gone. Hillary is in the rear view mirror.

Look at this guy as a stand alone.

I know I know but Hillary and anyone criticizing trump has tds. It only rational. Mort and the rest the press told them what to think. Anything other than that isn’t clearly free thinking.
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I was just kiddin... Mellow
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He's mastered trolling, and it works well on the weak minded. That's why he has such an effect on Victor and Huckster.
teedubbya Offline
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And his base
ZRX1200 Offline
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Some for sure, but they were dumb before him.
teedubbya Offline
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We agree on that
ZRX1200 Offline
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We agree alot, then you have to go being and azzwhole.....but you know it turns me on when I get to pretend to be mad at you and hope you forget the safe word.
teedubbya Offline
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Excelsior!
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victor809 wrote:
Ok. I'll bite.
If someone in politics uses the term "I'm pushing for these politicians to vote for X" what do you believe they are doing?

What does the very specific verb "push" mean to you in politics.

To me it means encourage them to vote for something....



But when someone says "They really should vote for this but it won't matter other than sending the right message"

Do you hear that and say "man, he sure is pushing for this."?



So back to your point.
Your partisan viewpoint sees him pushing it.
My level-headed and unbiased viewpoint sees it differently.

So how does that call into question his supporters ability to read?
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victor809 wrote:


At least we forced previous politicians to make up their own excuses....



Maybe trump was tired of being blamed for things like a murderer with a 4 year grudge or being chastised for enforcing laws made before he took his oath of office.

When Obama was in office, at least his haters (the TRUE haters) were called out for being insane.
Now the true haters are celebrated.

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teedubbya wrote:
At some point you need to open your eyes and look at what is happening rather than what you think would have happened. What you think would have happened is gone. Hillary is in the rear view mirror.

Look at this guy as a stand alone.

I know I know but Hillary and anyone criticizing trump has tds. It only rational. Mort and the rest the press told them what to think. Anything other than that isn’t clearly free thinking.


First, please don't ever use the words Hillary and Rear in the same sentence. The visual is disturbing.

Trump is indeed a stand alone. And a symptom of this disease called politics.

But don't be so ready to dismiss TDS.
A lot of the Trump criticism doesn't fall into that category. Heck, MOST of it doesn't.
But too much of it does.
They despise the man and his un-presidential mannerisms.
So it doesn't matter when he, oh I don't know, begins legitimate talks to denuclearize North Korea for instance.
Or when he takes the first steps towards balancing our trade imbalance. Or moving more closely to a secure border (and without a wall, no less).
None of that matters.
Because...Trump.

As bad as Trump is, the hysteria is disproportionately outrageous.

When that happened with Obama (and it did happen) the media was there to level the playing field. Not because they were in his corner (although they were) but because it recognized when the fervor was no longer based on the facts.
You can cry about facts now being "fake news" or distorted or whatever. But I watched the protests in Boston on the news this morning.
People were protesting against President Trump for tearing apart families.
When all he did was enforce existing laws.
When all he did was sign the only executive order in history specifying that families NOT be separated.

Those people have lost their collective minds.


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Neither party is going to do anything about the immigration problem facing this nation.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Neither party is going to do anything about the immigration problem facing this nation.


Even if they push for it?


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We just need a wall or somethin to keep out the illegal ones... Mellow
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tailgater wrote:
Even if they push for it?





Push what?

Look at the last bill vote. This is just a kick the can down the road issue. Nobody cares in DC.
ZRX1200 Offline
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^ sort of...chamber of commerce loves them some illegal labor.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ sort of...chamber of commerce loves them some illegal labor.



Except the Left when the camera is on! They kick out paying customers too!!!!
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Only Nazi customers, they see a lot of Nazis everywhere.
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tailgater wrote:
But when someone says "They really should vote for this but it won't matter other than sending the right message"

Do you hear that and say "man, he sure is pushing for this."?



So back to your point.
Your partisan viewpoint sees him pushing it.
My level-headed and unbiased viewpoint sees it differently.

So how does that call into question his supporters ability to read?



I wonder if you intentionally read something differently, or if it's part of your TDS. Reread the tweets again tail, and don't reorder the words to soften it for your specific argument.

He did not say "they really should vote for this but it won't matter other than sending the right message"
You specifically chose to put a "but it won't matter" into the statement. He never said "it won't matter". He said it won't pass, but will send the correct message. That's NOT saying "it won't matter"


"HOUSE REPUBLICANS SHOULD PASS THE STRONG BUT FAIR IMMIGRATION BILL, KNOWN AS GOODLATTE II, IN THEIR AFTERNOON VOTE TODAY, "
(all in caps even... )
"EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS WON’T LET IT PASS IN THE SENATE. PASSAGE WILL SHOW THAT WE WANT STRONG BORDERS & SECURITY"
(... see... no "it won't matter"... he's saying it won't pass, but it STILL MATTERS)
"WHILE THE DEMS WANT OPEN BORDERS = CRIME. WIN!"
(even decides to throw a "WIN!" into it)

This isn't rocket science, and sure as hell isn't something that should be parsed as much as it has been.

He said "Vote for this bill".
Then 3 days later he said "I never told anyone to vote for that bill".

I don't even give a f##k about the bill, but it amazes me that you are willing to try to parse his tweets down to try to argue over the definition of "push".

It's f$$king insanity....
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Those who role with Trump have various blind spots to his lack of consistency.
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there it is...Trump Delusion Syndrome...not spreading, likely not contagious, but very relentlessly tenacious among those infected...
delta1 Offline
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dammit....I promised to be civil here...apologies for all those bad words...
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He’s got it great. In here alone I’ve read he’s going to legalize marijuana at the same time he’s actually clamping down on it.

He can say things the opposite of what he does and many of the folks in here will beleive both.
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Most reasonable explanation is there are really two Donald Trumps
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Don't you think one is enough?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Push what?

Look at the last bill vote. This is just a kick the can down the road issue. Nobody cares in DC.


It was a joke from a previous discussion I had.
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victor809 wrote:
I wonder if you intentionally read something differently, or if it's part of your TDS. Reread the tweets again tail, and don't reorder the words to soften it for your specific argument.

He did not say "they really should vote for this but it won't matter other than sending the right message"
You specifically chose to put a "but it won't matter" into the statement. He never said "it won't matter". He said it won't pass, but will send the correct message. That's NOT saying "it won't matter"


"HOUSE REPUBLICANS SHOULD PASS THE STRONG BUT FAIR IMMIGRATION BILL, KNOWN AS GOODLATTE II, IN THEIR AFTERNOON VOTE TODAY, "
(all in caps even... )
"EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS WON’T LET IT PASS IN THE SENATE. PASSAGE WILL SHOW THAT WE WANT STRONG BORDERS & SECURITY"
(... see... no "it won't matter"... he's saying it won't pass, but it STILL MATTERS)
"WHILE THE DEMS WANT OPEN BORDERS = CRIME. WIN!"
(even decides to throw a "WIN!" into it)

This isn't rocket science, and sure as hell isn't something that should be parsed as much as it has been.

He said "Vote for this bill".
Then 3 days later he said "I never told anyone to vote for that bill".

I don't even give a f##k about the bill, but it amazes me that you are willing to try to parse his tweets down to try to argue over the definition of "push".

It's f$$king insanity....



I'm not telling you what he may have meant.
I'm showing you a plausible interpretation.
You say I'm off base (TDS, really?) but your claim of him "Pushing" the bill with his first tweet? Now THAT'S off base.
My commentary is much closer to the middle, but you feel compelled to stick to your guns.
And lost in all this is your major point regarding reading comprehension.
Something you're showing very little of, although it's obvious that you're refusing to understand due to political bias.

Let go of the hate.
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tailgater wrote:
It was a joke from a previous discussion I had.



Damn written format. I can't see the wry smile or the hand gestures that went along with what you were saying.

whip
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tailgater wrote:
I'm not telling you what he may have meant.
I'm showing you a plausible interpretation.
You say I'm off base (TDS, really?) but your claim of him "Pushing" the bill with his first tweet? Now THAT'S off base.
My commentary is much closer to the middle, but you feel compelled to stick to your guns.
And lost in all this is your major point regarding reading comprehension.
Something you're showing very little of, although it's obvious that you're refusing to understand due to political bias.

Let go of the hate.


You claim that a plausible interpretation is that he has a different definition of the verb "pushed" than what I would argue is a reasonable person.

If I tell you you should vote for something, a reasonable person would say I was "pushing for your to vote".

You have not offered an alternate interpretation of the verb "push" (despite my asking for what you thought he might mean).

So... No. You haven't offered a "plausible" alternative. You've offered an alternative in which the author is using a different English language dictionary than the general population, yet you're also unwilling to say what that definition may be.

Keep thinking you're being the rational one who's offering the middle ground. Maybe some day you will realize you've gone off the deep end. Maybe you won't.... Guess it doesn't matter either way.
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You shouldn't have pushed him... Not talking
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Tail...
For fun I've now searched Trump's Twitter feed for other instances in which he has used the verb "pushed" in the manner equivalent to his first tweet (as in, encouraged to vote for).

Congratulations... You've now caused me to waste more time on a moronic orange lie than I ever should have. Your "reasonable alternative" is nonsense

Trump's tweets:


It was wonderful to be back in Missouri where our push for historic TAX CUTS all began. Six months ago I promised that we would cut taxes to bring Main Street roaring back - and that is exactly what is happening!

@FoxNews: President @realDonaldTrump on DACA: "I'm the one that's pushing DACA and the Democrats are nowhere to be found."

@realDonaldTrump: I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end

The Democrats are pushing for Universal HealthCare while thousands of people are marching in the UK because their U system is going broke and not working. Dems want to greatly raise taxes for really bad and non-personal medical care. No thanks!

Departing @JBA_NAFW for St. Charles, Missouri to help push our plan for HISTORIC TAX CUTS across the finish line. A successful vote in the Senate this week will bring us one giant step closer to delivering an incredible victory for the American people!

...for the Middle Class. The House and Senate should consider ASAP as the process of final approval moves along. Push Biggest Tax Cuts EVER

For years, even as a "civilian," I listened as Republicans pushed the Repeal and Replace of ObamaCare. Now they finally have their chance!

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Vic.

Give it a rest.
Get over yourself.

You want to be right? Fine.
I'll tell you you're right if you would shut the hell up.

But something tells me I'm being too optimistic.


victor809 Offline
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Woohoo... I'm right!

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woooow...what just happened?????

...maybe there IS a cure for Trump Delusion Syndrome, and it's.........................................................TRUTH.
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
woooow...what just happened?????

...maybe there IS a cure for Trump Delusion Syndrome, and it's.........................................................TRUTH.


I'll take outrageous contradictions for $1000 Alex.



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TG, wrong category. Trump would be under outrageous lies.
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TG, wrong category. Trump would be under outrageous lies.
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delta1 wrote:
woooow...what just happened?????

...maybe there IS a cure for Trump Delusion Syndrome, and it's.........................................................TRUTH.


Nope. There is none.

It'd be like trying to talk to a love-stricken teenaged girl.

Ya can't reason with the heart.
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No, the cure would be higher IQ'S and that isn't happening.
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Trump is to his followers, the Trumpians, as binkies are to babies...


















dammit....did it again...being uncivil and using bad language at the cons...apologies...
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