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Pudding Mittens Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2018, 3:26 PM EST
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mjrburn wrote:
yes, diesel, referably unlimited


You want to experience one hell of a stellar example of what aging can do?

Buy some Diesel Unlimiteds. Put them away in proper conditions for 5 years. Smoke them.

Holy crap. I did this in 2017 with a bundle from 2012, a 5-year aging period. Absolutely amazing. Worlds beyond what they were when new in 2012 (I had a couple of them then, as a baseline). The complexity and rich "balance" of the flavor components was off the charts.

So, SO much better it was unreal. AJ stuff likes to sleep, a whole lot, especially that Diesel Unlimited. Buy it, and forget about it for years!

(DISCLAIMER: Maybe the Diesel Unlimited blend has changed since 2012, but I can tell you it worked for 2012 ones, anyway!)
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Pudding Mittens Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2018, 3:31 PM EST
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mjrburn wrote:
enjoy with a breakfast stout (my choice is Founders double chocolate oatmeal) you will not be disappointed.

Are you aware that stouts can be aged, and improve with age like good cigars do?

I have various cases of Siberian Night and Expedition Stout aging right now, with month/year of acquisition Sharpied on them... just like I do with cigars.

The improvements aren't subtle. New Siberian Night is bitter, but after 2 years it's smooth and silky and chocolatey and awesome. One case I had aged for 8 years, cracked it open and it was even more rich and refined.

Try it, if you haven't yet! A typical cellar is a good venue for it. Temp control doesn't need to be as precise as for cigars.

Don't try it with "regular" low-ABV beer like lagers though, they just go bad.
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mjrburn Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2018, 8:08 PM EST
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I have a fiver of d.4 and d.5 that have been resting for two years now, that's when I usually break them out but I think I'll take your advice and let em go three more years.

As for aging stouts, is there a minimum abv I should use for that? I tend to enjoy 8-9% best, but that's drinking them right off the shelf.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#54 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 12:18 AM EST
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mjrburn wrote:
I have a fiver of d.4 and d.5 that have been resting for two years now, that's when I usually break them out but I think I'll take your advice and let em go three more years.

They're good at 2 years, but at least this 2012 batch I had 5 years later in 2017 was much better. Can't promise that all eras of them will age the same (crops and blends vary from year to year), but it's probably likely so give it a try!

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As for aging stouts, is there a minimum abv I should use for that? I tend to enjoy 8-9% best, but that's drinking them right off the shelf.

I'm no expert at aging stouts, at least not yet. So far I've done Siberian Night at 9.75% ABV, and the Expedition Stout at 10.5% ABV and they work great. So it appears that 9.75% and higher is certainly good for aging.

The owner of the beer distributor I use is an old guy who's a walking encyclopedia of beer knowledge, and I think he said something like 8% or 9% should be thought of as the lower limit.

Keep in mind that a higher ABV stout you may not like when new, but might love when it's aged. Their "bite" mellows a whole lot with time, but the flavor/complexity improves... just like cigars, actually.

Hope that helps!
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KingoftheCove Offline
#55 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 12:19 AM EST
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All of AJs stuff from my experience, benefits from extended rest.
Never did 5 years though.....usually 1 to 3+ or so.
Currently smoking some 3+ yo MOWPA maduros that are very good. They got sooo much better. I was not impressed with them after a year or so.
The regular MOWPA line seems, to me at least, not to improve past a year or so, but they definitely need that year.
Cathcam13 Offline
#56 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 1:33 AM EST
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Have you tried the Diesel Rage? Give it some time in your Humidor and give it a good try. I am rather partial to them.
delta1 Offline
#57 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 2:00 AM EST
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
You want to experience one hell of a stellar example of what aging can do?

Buy some Diesel Unlimiteds. Put them away in proper conditions for 5 years. Smoke them.

Holy crap. I did this in 2017 with a bundle from 2012, a 5-year aging period. Absolutely amazing. Worlds beyond what they were when new in 2012 (I had a couple of them then, as a baseline). The complexity and rich "balance" of the flavor components was off the charts.

So, SO much better it was unreal. AJ stuff likes to sleep, a whole lot, especially that Diesel Unlimited. Buy it, and forget about it for years!

(DISCLAIMER: Maybe the Diesel Unlimited blend has changed since 2012, but I can tell you it worked for 2012 ones, anyway!)
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Right on. I've found that some Don Pepin Garcia stuff ages very well also.
tonygraz Offline
#58 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 7:13 AM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Have you tried the Diesel Rage? Give it some time in your Humidor and give it a good try. I am rather partial to them.


Smoked one with less than 6 months aging and it was terrible.
mjrburn Offline
#59 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 8:02 AM EST
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1st, apologies to RRMFLY...didn't mean to hijack your post. If you'd be interested in a noop trade, I'd be willing to ship first just send me a PM. All I have is U.S.acquired stuff you can get on line, no real cubans, but some quality stogies.

2nd, thanks to Pudding Mittens...I'm gonna give aging stouts a try.

3rd, thanks to delta1...I just acquired a fiver of DPG Cuban classics and wondered if they would age well. I'll try a fresh one but will definitely take your advice and allow a few to sleep a couple of years.
RRMFLY Offline
#60 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 3:17 PM EST
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mjrburn,

No problem I'm enjoying the conversation. Aging Stout never crossed my mind. Being in Florida I'd probably have to use a closet.

I just accidentally won a fiver of Diesel Maduro, so I may try and age a few of them. 5 years blows my mind. I'm going to have to expand my storage (I just have a 40 gar humidor) but I've been out of work for a bit (thanks appendix) so it's been put on the back burner. It you want to do a fiver trade I'm down. Just the same problem, I don't have anything mind blowing but I have a little selection.

I'll probably send some at the same time so I have Room.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#61 Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2018, 4:35 PM EST
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mjrburn wrote:
2nd, thanks to Pudding Mittens...I'm gonna give aging stouts a try.

Rock on! You won't be sorry.

I love aging. It's "Current You" giving a gift to "Future You". When "Future You" gets the gift years from now, he's really really happy that "Current You" was nice enough to put it aside and thus give it to him.

"Future You" is a great guy, you should spend some money now and give him some much-improved gifts.

Also, it's one of the very few ways that you can make time YOUR bitch, rather than the usual situation where you are its bitch. Usually time makes you older, breaks down your health, kills your loved ones, and generally screws you over. Aging fine cigars and stouts (and doing stuff like low-expense ETF investing with DRIP compounding) is a way to harness time and make it HELP you.

"DAMN YOU, passage of time! You've taken Aunt Edna and Grandpa from me, and you've given me the gout! But haha, at least I forced you to make my cigars and stouts better, you SOB!"

It's very satisfying on a philosophical level... and you end up with friggin' DELICIOUS stuff that nobody else around you knows how to, or has the patience to, obtain.

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3rd, thanks to delta1...I just acquired a fiver of DPG Cuban classics and wondered if they would age well. I'll try a fresh one but will definitely take your advice and allow a few to sleep a couple of years.

DPG stuff ages well. I speak from long experience here. But I think AJ stuff, most of it anyway, ages the best of almost anything.
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RRMFLY Offline
#62 Posted: Sun, Jul 22 2018, 4:30 PM EST
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What's the go to short Noob smoke?
I'm thinking around 30-40 mind maybe less.
delta1 Offline
#63 Posted: Sun, Jul 22 2018, 5:09 PM EST
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My first fave shorties were the J Fuego Origen Originals, 5x44, a good inexpensive smoke, then the Fuente Hemingway Short Story, MUWAT Baitfish, LaFlor Dominicana Reserva Especial El Jocko (I prefer the natural over the maduro with this one). Latest fave shorty is the Tatuaje Reserva Petit Cazadores.
delta1 Offline
#64 Posted: Sun, Jul 22 2018, 5:19 PM EST
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mjrburn wrote:
1st, apologies to RRMFLY...didn't mean to hijack your post. If you'd be interested in a noop trade, I'd be willing to ship first just send me a PM. All I have is U.S.acquired stuff you can get on line, no real cubans, but some quality stogies.

2nd, thanks to Pudding Mittens...I'm gonna give aging stouts a try.

3rd, thanks to delta1...I just acquired a fiver of DPG Cuban classics and wondered if they would age well. I'll try a fresh one but will definitely take your advice and allow a few to sleep a couple of years.



Those do age well. Try one now and if you like it fresh, chances are the aged ones will hit that spot better. If you like it, pick up a couple more 5 packs and put those away for a year, or two, or three. Not all cigars that are great fresh will age well, so this is kinda trial and error and word of mouth from a BOTL who has been there and done that. Other DPG smokes that seem to improve with a year or more of rest are the My Father, MF Le Bijou, Jaime Garcia and San Cristobal.
mjrburn Offline
#65 Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2018, 7:40 PM EST
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RRMFLY...I got that fiver shipped today, enjoy!

delta1... Yes, the Le Bijou is great at a year (I'm burning one now that is 14 months) and I plan to try a few at two years. I have a fiver of San Cristobal that has been resting almost a year, gonna try one soon and let a couple of those go two years.

Pudding Mittens...thanks for the advice, here's to making "future me" a happy man!
RRMFLY Offline
#66 Posted: Sat, Jul 28 2018, 4:17 PM EST
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Thanks mjburn.
I'm out of town for a week but I can't wait to get back to them.
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