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bgz Offline
#151 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:01 PM EST
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Some food for thought...

About 2000 kids are abducted every day in the U.S.

I'm thinking if the media raised half as much hell over that as they do about the 400 something kids detained at the border, maybe more children that are citizens would be reunited with their parents.

Further, many of the children who the media are claiming are separated from their families are actually victims of failed human trafficking attempts.

It's also known that under Obama's policies many of the children were simply handed off to human traffickers, which could have been avoided with a zero tolerance policy.

So which is worse? Detaining the children because their "parents" can't be found, or pushing them off to sweat shops and/or forced prostitution?
ZRX1200 Offline
#152 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:02 PM EST
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Teedubya, your apology is accepted.
victor809 Offline
#153 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:18 PM EST
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Bgz.... That number didn't quite smell right so I had to check it.
That's 2000 reported missing each day. That's including every reason a kid might be reported missing.
The number of "stranger abductions" (their word) is significantly different... 115 per year.
bgz Offline
#154 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:36 PM EST
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My source was the next link down (parents.com), but your will suffice.

2000 reported missing each day where of the 2000, 24% are by strangers...

Last I checked, 24% of 2000 is 480... per day.

I read your link, that 115 per year had very specific stigma attached to it...

Anyway, further down in your link, it says 20 us kids per day are abducted for prolonged periods of time... which would imply 7300 kids per year for prolonged periods of time.

With that, I don't know why the stranger thing matters, an abducted kid is an abducted kid, but in any case, 7300 *.24 = 1752.
teedubbya Offline
#155 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:38 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya, your apology is accepted.



LOL. Thank you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVAzbPC8fls
teedubbya Offline
#156 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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Obama human trafficking aside, I do see a difference between abductions and something the government is doing.

If obama was giving kids to human traffickers I think that’s sort of bad. I’m not sure how it justifies this issue though.
victor809 Offline
#157 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:45 PM EST
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Bgz... Because a parent taking a kid they don't have custody of would count in that number as a non stranger abduction... And a parent kidnapping their own kid doesn't really fit well as a comparative statistic in this discussion.

(And FYI... The entire comparison is sort of irrelevant.... It's a "hey look over here not over there!" Tactic...)
bgz Offline
#158 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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Ya, so quit f*cking up my strategies would you?

Anyway, that 1752 number represents stranger abducted kids per year for prolonged periods of time... I concede that the 2000 number was a bit deceptive on my part... again, quit f*cking up my strats.
bgz Offline
#159 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 8:00 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Obama human trafficking aside, I do see a difference between abductions and something the government is doing.

If obama was giving kids to human traffickers I think that’s sort of bad. I’m not sure how it justifies this issue though.


Obama gave kids to human traffickers? I didn't know that... I only quoted the border policies under Obama, I didn't imply that Obama did it:P
DrafterX Offline
#160 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 8:03 PM EST
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That Bassard..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#161 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 8:04 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Obama gave kids to human traffickers? I didn't know that... I only quoted the border policies under Obama, I didn't imply that Obama did it:P


That’s what I heard.
bgz Offline
#162 Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 9:46 PM EST
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Well, in that case...

That Bassard..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
#163 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 12:40 PM EST
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one other factor to consider when comparing outrage levels to seemingly related issues...local vs national impact.

missing/abducted/runaway kids tend to be local issues and generate plenty of local news, Amber Alerts etc.

unlikely I would hear about a kid taken by his parent without custody in Tucson, but it is a National issue when the Fed Gov has 2,000 kids and bungles it.
bgz Offline
#164 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 5:45 PM EST
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Ya, but what percentage of those kids were detained where the parents couldn't be verified or scampered out of there to save their own ass because they were traffickers?

It might actually only be a couple dozen kids who were actually separated from their true parents.

400 something is a relatively small number anyway, but I have my doubts that a sizable percentage of those kids were actually with their true parents.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#165 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 6:13 PM EST
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Exactly! And what percentage of those 400 children are actually just dwarfs, midgets, and assorted little people, sneaking into this country to steal work away from American circus and freak show performers?
Speyside Offline
#166 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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What about the leprechauns? Leprechauns are people too.
victor809 Offline
#167 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 6:27 PM EST
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Can we just simplify things and imprison anyone in America under 5'10?.... We really need to protect ourselves from the risk of midgets.
frankj1 Offline
#168 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 6:54 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Ya, but what percentage of those kids were detained where the parents couldn't be verified or scampered out of there to save their own ass because they were traffickers?

It might actually only be a couple dozen kids who were actually separated from their true parents.

400 something is a relatively small number anyway, but I have my doubts that a sizable percentage of those kids were actually with their true parents.

well, since so many have finally been reunited, the percentage of which you wonder seems likely to be negligible...
bgz Offline
#169 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 7:16 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Can we just simplify things and imprison anyone in America under 5'10?.... We really need to protect ourselves from the risk of midgets.


I'm good with that.
Bributler72 Offline
#170 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 7:26 PM EST
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There is 9US consulates and 1US embassy. So why dont the parents take these steps because it is easier to blame someone else for their problems.
bgz Offline
#171 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 7:32 PM EST
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Whow, first post in the politics forum... Awesome!!!

Welcome noob! The lefties will be along shortly to properly demoralize and shame you.
frankj1 Offline
#172 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 7:39 PM EST
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Bributler72 wrote:
There is 9US consulates and 1US embassy. So why dont the parents take these steps because it is easier to blame someone else for their problems.

maybe they already made their one call from prison?
frankj1 Offline
#173 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 7:40 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Whow, first post in the politics forum... Awesome!!!

Welcome noob! The lefties will be along shortly to properly demoralize and shame you.

yeah, all 3.
bgz Offline
#174 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 7:48 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
yeah, all 3.


LOL!!!
frankj1 Offline
#175 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 8:57 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
LOL!!!

well, we have been very mean.
bgz Offline
#176 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 9:33 PM EST
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Ya, I feel bad for the noob already.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#177 Posted: Thu, Aug 9 2018, 10:50 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Can we just simplify things and imprison anyone in America under 5'10?.... We really need to protect ourselves from the risk of midgets.

Poor Al...
tailgater Offline
#178 Posted: Fri, Aug 10 2018, 9:05 AM EST
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I forgot how emotional TW gets when he's wrong.

That's why we love him.

Well, that and his penchant for surprise camping trips.
ZRX1200 Offline
#179 Posted: Fri, Aug 10 2018, 11:20 PM EST
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Yeah, he's super emo when he's guilty, that's when I try to be nice so he tries extra hard to be my buddy again.
delta1 Offline
#180 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 12:39 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Can we just simplify things and imprison anyone in America under 5'10?.... We really need to protect ourselves from the risk of midgets.


Shame on you
gummy jones Offline
#181 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 9:14 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah, he's super emo when he's guilty, that's when I try to be nice so he tries extra hard to be my buddy again.


tw is sending behikes?
teedubbya Offline
#182 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 11:12 AM EST
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I’m just so emotional
tailgater Offline
#183 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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It's funny.
Early in this thread you declare this is an emotional topic.

Now you dismiss the notion with sarcasm.

Memory lapse, or a liar, or trying too hard to be a contrarian.

I'm giving you an out, though you don't deserve it.
frankj1 Offline
#184 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 12:48 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's funny.
Early in this thread you declare this is an emotional topic.

Now you dismiss the notion with sarcasm.

Memory lapse, or a liar, or trying too hard to be a contrarian.

I'm giving you an out, though you don't deserve it.







who?
teedubbya Offline
#185 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 7:29 PM EST
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lol
frankj1 Offline
#186 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 8:06 PM EST
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wish I could get youse two in a beer summit
teedubbya Offline
#187 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 8:32 PM EST
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I’ve got no issue with tail. He is what he is. He used to make more logical arguments however.
HuckFinn Offline
#188 Posted: Sat, Aug 11 2018, 9:13 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's funny.
Early in this thread you declare this is an emotional topic.

Now you dismiss the notion with sarcasm.

Memory lapse, or a liar, or trying too hard to be a contrarian.

I'm giving you an out, though you don't deserve it.







TW was caesarian?
tailgater Offline
#189 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 10:36 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
wish I could get youse two in a beer summit


I do like beer.
tailgater Offline
#190 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 10:38 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I’ve got no issue with tail. He is what he is. He used to make more logical arguments however.


It was never an argument.
For me at least.

It was an observation based on the news reports.

I didn't investigate this myself.

You somehow you took offense.

And then blamed me.

That is what I mean by being a contrarian.
We all know you do it.
Constantly.

It can be fun.
Or it can be boorish.

It's become un-fun at the moment.

But beer will fix that.
RMAN4443 Offline
#191 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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Is there anything beer can't fix??? Beer
frankj1 Offline
#192 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 10:56 AM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Is there anything beer can't fix??? Beer

prostate problems?
RMAN4443 Offline
#193 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 11:02 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
prostate problems?

good point...Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#194 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 1:23 PM EST
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Prostrates don't like beer..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#195 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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I can honestly say I never took offense to anything but some folks think they know what other folks think better than they do.

I’m cool with that. Whatever floats your boat.



frankj1 Offline
#196 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 2:07 PM EST
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tail never invited me on his boat
frankj1 Offline
#197 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 2:08 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Prostrates don't like beer..?? Huh

they're attached to a one-way straw
teedubbya Offline
#198 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 6:49 PM EST
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That sucks
tailgater Offline
#199 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 7:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I can honestly say I never took offense to anything but some folks think they know what other folks think better than they do.

I’m cool with that. Whatever floats your boat.





I never implied I knew what you think.

Of course, that won't stop you from making the claim.
You're wrong, so you deflect.
Predictable.
And boorish.
Again.
tailgater Offline
#200 Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018, 7:25 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
tail never invited me on his boat


Does my dingy count?
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