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Palama Offline
#51 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 12:45 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
+1...seems it's a common myth that most cigars will get better with age....................no...they...don't...

some will, though, and id'ing them is part of the fun.

the other side of the coin is that some great cigars will get worse with age, and you'll regret saving them, instead of smokin em...


+2

I typically prefer Connies and Cameroon wrapped cigars to be fresher but because I rarely smoke them, haven’t yet figured out the peak points for them. So to Delta’s point, I may be missing out ‘cause I’ve let them rest too long. d'oh!

I do prefer most, if not all of my Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro cigars to nap for at least 2 years. Haven’t yet figured out the max as I’ve had the privilege of trying some that have rested for 5-10+ years and some were GREAT, others okay...ultimately, no definitive conclusion.

When all is said and done, like Al said, the fun part of the journey is the figuring out how long to not ash up a cigar in order to let them reach their optimum smoking point. I still have a small handful of cigars that I bought when I first started getting “serious” about premium cigars so all I gotta do is find them (...not always an easy task...) and spark them up.

One thing for sure, now that you’ve been bitten by the CBid bug, your collection (...and credit card statements...) will grow exponentially and you’ll just naturally be able to them to rest/nap/age.
kombat96 Offline
#52 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 1:26 PM EST
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Noops collect. Hawaiians are noops.
dstieger Offline
#53 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 1:29 PM EST
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Why would someone keep track of, or even ever count, their cigars?

Some sort of OCD?
RMAN4443 Offline
#54 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 1:33 PM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
Noops collect.All Hawaiians are noops,but all noops are not Hawaiians.


signed...a collector Anxious
Pudding Mittens Offline
#55 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 5:42 PM EST
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Posts: 1,291
delta1 wrote:
+1...seems it's a common myth that most cigars will get better with age....................no...they...don't...

Correct, some don't improve with age.

Quote:
some will, though, and id'ing them is part of the fun.

Agree!

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the other side of the coin is that some great cigars will get worse with age,

This is where I disagree.

I've been doing the cigar thing for a very long time and my collection is crazy big. I can't recall ever having a cigar get worse with age. As I said in another post, with age generally strength decreases and complexity/richness of flavor increases. If you define "quality" as only "strength", then yes they lose "quality". But if you define "quality" more broadly, as I believe you should, then they never lose quality.

They may not improve at all, or they may improve at varying rates, typically with diminishing returns leading to no further improvements after a while (usually a long while).

But I can't recall ever saying to myself, "man, this stick is over the hill and lost its quality". The most I'd say is, "this stick isn't as strong as it used to be" but usually in that case, the other components of flavor have gotten better.

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... and you'll regret saving them, instead of smokin em...

I've never regretted aging a cigar, even when they're 15-20 years old.
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gummy jones Offline
#56 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 5:54 PM EST
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I'm collecting free premium cigars from the cbidders

PM me for details
IronResin Offline
#57 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 8:34 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
+2

I typically prefer Connies and Cameroon wrapped cigars to be fresher but because I rarely smoke them, haven’t yet figured out the peak points for them. So to Delta’s point, I may be missing out ‘cause I’ve let them rest too long. d'oh!

I do prefer most, if not all of my Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro cigars to nap for at least 2 years. Haven’t yet figured out the max as I’ve had the privilege of trying some that have rested for 5-10+ years and some were GREAT, others okay...ultimately, no definitive conclusion.

When all is said and done, like Al said, the fun part of the journey is the figuring out how long to not ash up a cigar in order to let them reach their optimum smoking point. I still have a small handful of cigars that I bought when I first started getting “serious” about premium cigars so all I gotta do is find them (...not always an easy task...) and spark them up.

One thing for sure, now that you’ve been bitten by the CBid bug, your collection (...and credit card statements...) will grow exponentially and you’ll just naturally be able to them to rest/nap/age.



"One thing for sure, now that you’ve been bitten by the CBid bug, your collection (...and credit card statements...) will grow exponentially and you’ll just naturally be able to them to rest/nap/age."

This became apparent to me fairly quick.
Cathcam13 Offline
#58 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 11:14 PM EST
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I have to agree with that. I decided to start collecting cigars at the beginning of this year, and now I have 2 humidors filled with good cigars. I am considering buying a third larger humidor.......
Pudding Mittens Offline
#59 Posted: Sat, Sep 1 2018, 11:24 PM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
I have to agree with that. I decided to start collecting cigars at the beginning of this year, and now I have 2 humidors filled with good cigars. I am considering buying a third larger humidor.......

Go straight to the enormous 116-quart Sterilite (or similar) transparent containers that I use. Think that's too crazy big? Soon you'll have 3 of them, then 5, then 9, then 12, then...

Nice thing is, they're stackable, so when the disease gets really bad, you can have multiple columns of them going up all the way to the ceiling! It saves 'footprint' on the floor, very convenient!

(Results may vary based on your amount of disposable income).
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lance4824 Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 10:56 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
At one time I had close to 5,000 CC's and it was a handful to say the least. Mostly, full boxes. I tried spreadsheets to attempt to keep it organized. It was practically a full time job making sure everything was humidified, inspected (monthly) and rotated from different coolerdors to and from my active stand up humidor cabinet. It started to take the fun out of it. So I quit collecting and smoking. I now have probably around 100 CC's and I pretty much have no idea what I have beyond a few special sticks. fog


Buck,

I use the Aficionado app to log my cigars and you can have multiple humidors also. You can transfer cigar between humidors also. You can write notes and gauge the flavor. I got the upgrade and I can sync between my phone and tablet. I really like it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.infero.aficionado&hl=en_US
lance4824 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 11:32 AM EST
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I have been smoking cigars for about 15 years yet I just invested into cigars with a big humidor. I went from a social smoker/one maybe two a month. Now I smoke two or three a week or more.

In the past, there was nothing defining me with cigars. Even though I have smoked Cubans and premium cigars, I was too young or uneducated/both to understand what I was smoking. I am learning to enjoy the smoke and make the premium ones count. It is more than a smoke; it is apart of my life now.

I have over 300 cigars and I just want more. Hoarder/OCD. I have issues….
IronResin Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 3:31 PM EST
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lance4824 wrote:
I have been smoking cigars for about 15 years yet I just invested into cigars with a big humidor. I went from a social smoker/one maybe two a month. Now I smoke two or three a week or more.

In the past, there was nothing defining me with cigars. Even though I have smoked Cubans and premium cigars, I was too young or uneducated/both to understand what I was smoking. I am learning to enjoy the smoke and make the premium ones count. It is more than a smoke; it is apart of my life now.

I have over 300 cigars and I just want more. Hoarder/OCD. I have issues….


What kind of humidor did you get? C Bid has allowed me the luxury of having extra smokes on hand and has thrusted my hobby into overdrive.
lance4824 Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 3:57 PM EST
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IronResin wrote:
What kind of humidor did you get? C Bid has allowed me the luxury of having extra smokes on hand and has thrusted my hobby into overdrive.


I don't know what kind or type. I found it on offer up. It was humidor and wine rack. I took the wine rack out. I will try to post pictures.
Palama Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 6:06 PM EST
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IronResin wrote:
What kind of humidor did you get? C Bid has allowed me the luxury of having extra smokes on hand and has thrusted my hobby into overdrive.


When I first started out, I had a 20-25 ct humidor, quickly realized that I needed more storage so bought a 50 ct. Thought for sure I wasn’t gonna smoke 75 cigars in year...boy was I wrong!
IronResin Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 10:34 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
When I first started out, I had a 20-25 ct humidor, quickly realized that I needed more storage so bought a 50 ct. Thought for sure I wasn’t gonna smoke 75 cigars in year...boy was I wrong!


Yea gonna try to keep it @ 500.
Palama Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Sep 5 2018, 10:36 PM EST
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IronResin wrote:
Yea gonna try to keep it @ 500.


I thought the same thing when I started my first cooler...boy was I wrong...again!
RMAN4443 Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 12:02 AM EST
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IronResin wrote:
Yea gonna try to keep it @ 500.

Get it over with....go for the cooler and don't look backAnxious
bikrtrsh Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 12:08 AM EST
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cooler? pfffffft! I have 2 end table humidors and a 250 ct desktop. I'm thinking I need to build a walk in. Anxious

fog
KingoftheCove Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 12:22 AM EST
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IronResin wrote:
Yea gonna try to keep it @ 500.

Ha!
Uh.....hahahaha......
OK......you do that.

Here's what's gonna happen.
You'll find other places to score good deals........deals ya just can't pass up......cause they're too good, and they're your current favorites, or they're becoming extinct...whatever.
Then you'll suddenly find yourself with 573 cigars, with 2 boxes, 4 fivers, and a couple LFD samplers coming in the mail in 2 days........and you'll slide right down the rabbit hole.

Now, there's a good chance you'll come out of it after a few years, or more, and maybe you will ultimately settle in around 500.

I've seen this movie many times...
tamapatom Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 8:57 AM EST
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Collecting is an inadvertent result of the buying curve extending beyond the smoking curve.

Either your buying ramps up faster than smoking or your smoking hits a peak and ramps down over time while your buying continues. Even those who try to match buying rate to smoking rate usually have built up a reserve that exceeds reasonable expectations for an emergency backup supply.

I think there is a mathematical formula lurking here. I think Stephen Hawking was working on it.
lance4824 Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 9:52 AM EST
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IronResin wrote:
What kind of humidor did you get? C Bid has allowed me the luxury of having extra smokes on hand and has thrusted my hobby into overdrive.


Iron

I tried to post a picture of my humidor but I need someone to approve it. If does gets approved i will send you the link.
IronResin Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 10:01 AM EST
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tamapatom wrote:
Collecting is an inadvertent result of the buying curve extending beyond the smoking curve.

Either your buying ramps up faster than smoking or your smoking hits a peak and ramps down over time while your buying continues. Even those who try to match buying rate to smoking rate usually have built up a reserve that exceeds reasonable expectations for an emergency backup supply.

I think there is a mathematical formula lurking here. I think Stephen Hawking was working on it.


I am trying to find my apex. Right now I'm on a buying spree, but am being selective. I want a well rounded humidor that reflects my pallet. I smoke on average about 20-30 smokes a month and am in the process of figuring out how many smokes I can manage in a large coolidor. My current setup is small but sweet. I have a small Igloo marine cooler that I have managed to get 5 levels of trays. I think I have the perfect ratio of cedar to plastic in that one. Whistle
lance4824 Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 4:09 PM EST
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delta1 Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 5:19 PM EST
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
Correct, some don't improve with age.


Agree!


This is where I disagree.

I've been doing the cigar thing for a very long time and my collection is crazy big. I can't recall ever having a cigar get worse with age. As I said in another post, with age generally strength decreases and complexity/richness of flavor increases. If you define "quality" as only "strength", then yes they lose "quality". But if you define "quality" more broadly, as I believe you should, then they never lose quality.

They may not improve at all, or they may improve at varying rates, typically with diminishing returns leading to no further improvements after a while (usually a long while).

But I can't recall ever saying to myself, "man, this stick is over the hill and lost its quality". The most I'd say is, "this stick isn't as strong as it used to be" but usually in that case, the other components of flavor have gotten better.


I've never regretted aging a cigar, even when they're 15-20 years old.
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A few cigars came to mind when I posted that some cigars get worse over time: The most striking example is the Las Calaveras 2014, a phenomenal cigar when it came out...one of my all time faves...by 2016, the few remaining lost some luster, and by last year it was no longer a great cigar.

Another example is the Liga Privada #9 Feral Flying Pig, an explosion of cigar flavors when new...muted and dull a few years later....similar to LP T-52 line...
Pudding Mittens Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 6:50 PM EST
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IronResin wrote:
I want a well rounded humidor that reflects my pallet.

Common homophone error in the cigar community. It's "palate". Pallet is something you stack freight on and move with forklifts. Honestly I'm not being mean or pedantic, just pointing it out and trying to be helpful!

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My current setup is small but sweet. I have a small Igloo marine cooler that I have managed to get 5 levels of trays. I think I have the perfect ratio of cedar to plastic in that one

That cooler sounds like a really nice setup!
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Pudding Mittens Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 7:00 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
A few cigars came to mind when I posted that some cigars get worse over time: The most striking example is the Las Calaveras 2014, a phenomenal cigar when it came out...one of my all time faves...by 2016, the few remaining lost some luster, and by last year it was no longer a great cigar.

It might be palate differences between you and me, and different guys in general. If, during aging, characteristic A decreases and characteristic B increases, then a guy whose palate can detect A more than B will say the cigar lost quality, whereas another guy who can detect A and B equally might say the flavors changed but the overall quality is the same, and a guy who can detect B more than A will say that it got better.

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Another example is the Liga Privada #9 Feral Flying Pig, an explosion of cigar flavors when new...muted and dull a few years later....similar to LP T-52 line...

As for the Ligas, I've heard many rumors from many different people that some special additives or processes or SOME form of weirdness is done to them, and that it causes them to behave differently from "normal" cigars when it comes to things like aging (and some other stuff like tending to produce abnormally large amounts of smoke including resting smoke). But no proof, so who knows.
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bgz Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 7:12 PM EST
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A cigar shop proprietor told me it was a glycerin based substance. At the time he said it was on all Drew Estate's cigars except Herrera Esteli.

I've found no other source for the information though. I looked at some point, but didn't find any information to confirm it.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 7:30 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
A cigar shop proprietor told me it was a glycerin based substance. At the time he said it was on all Drew Estate's cigars except Herrera Esteli.

I've found no other source for the information though. I looked at some point, but didn't find any information to confirm it.

Interesting. If true, one wonders if the stuff evaporates after X amount of time, causing the cigar to lose some of its flavors and thus "get worse with age".

Of course, this is pure speculation and hypothetical. I've never seen any hard evidence of any additives, just lots of rumors.
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IronResin Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Sep 6 2018, 9:19 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
A cigar shop proprietor told me it was a glycerin based substance. At the time he said it was on all Drew Estate's cigars except Herrera Esteli.

I've found no other source for the information though. I looked at some point, but didn't find any information to confirm it.


WTF! I hope this is not true.
lance4824 Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Sep 7 2018, 11:48 AM EST
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IronResin wrote:
What kind of humidor did you get? C Bid has allowed me the luxury of having extra smokes on hand and has thrusted my hobby into overdrive.



Did you check out my humidor?

http://www.cigarbid.com/.../posts/657942/My-Humidor
IronResin Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Sep 7 2018, 12:05 PM EST
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lance4824 wrote:
Did you check out my humidor?

http://www.cigarbid.com/.../posts/657942/My-Humidor


Bad ass! The first link was broken. Thanks for sharing!
lance4824 Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Sep 7 2018, 12:12 PM EST
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IronResin wrote:
Bad ass! The first link was broken. Thanks for sharing!


Sorry it was a mobile link.

Thanks
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#83 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 9:40 AM EST
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Pudding Mittens wrote:

As for the Ligas, I've heard many rumors from many different people that some special additives or processes or SOME form of weirdness is done to them, and that it causes them to behave differently from "normal" cigars when it comes to things like aging (and some other stuff like tending to produce abnormally large amounts of smoke including resting smoke). But no proof, so who knows.
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bgz wrote:
A cigar shop proprietor told me it was a glycerin based substance. At the time he said it was on all Drew Estate's cigars except Herrera Esteli.

I've found no other source for the information though. I looked at some point, but didn't find any information to confirm it.


Pudding Mittens wrote:
Interesting. If true, one wonders if the stuff evaporates after X amount of time, causing the cigar to lose some of its flavors and thus "get worse with age".

Of course, this is pure speculation and hypothetical. I've never seen any hard evidence of any additives, just lots of rumors.
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The shop owner might be speaking of a bethune. A lot of manufactures use them, but few talk of them. Typically it's just something like watered down rum with possibly some extra spices soaked it. Glycerol is mostly used on the machine made mass produced stuff, like Backwoods, Garcia y Vega, Dutch Masters etc... to keep them most when sitting out on the shelves of non-cigar retailers.

When I visited the DE factory many years ago, what I saw with their cigars was that they use a different bunching method, four folds rather than three, it adds an extra air passage which means a more open draw and part of the reason they smoke like chimneys. The cigars, especially the higher end ones like the LP line were quickly wiped down with a towel, not unlike every other factory I saw did, but this was just really to smooth out the wrapper and remove any small flakes of tobacco left from the rolling process. I do not recall if they had bottles of bethune mixed up or not.
Whistlebritches Offline
#84 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 12:35 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
+1...seems it's a common myth that most cigars will get better with age....................no...they...don't...

Pudding Mittens wrote:
Correct, some don't improve with age.

Quote:
some will, though, and id'ing them is part of the fun.

Pudding Mittens wrote:
Agree!

Quote:
the other side of the coin is that some great cigars will get worse with age,

Pudding Mittens wrote:
This is where I disagree.

I've been doing the cigar thing for a very long time and my collection is crazy big. I can't recall ever having a cigar get worse with age. As I said in another post, with age generally strength decreases and complexity/richness of flavor increases. If you define "quality" as only "strength", then yes they lose "quality". But if you define "quality" more broadly, as I believe you should, then they never lose quality.

They may not improve at all, or they may improve at varying rates, typically with diminishing returns leading to no further improvements after a while (usually a long while).

But I can't recall ever saying to myself, "man, this stick is over the hill and lost its quality". The most I'd say is, "this stick isn't as strong as it used to be" but usually in that case, the other components of flavor have gotten better.

Quote:
... and you'll regret saving them, instead of smokin em...

Pudding Mittens wrote:
I've never regretted aging a cigar, even when they're 15-20 years old.


Pudding Mittens on this ......we are absolutely on the same page.
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DrMaddVibe Offline
#85 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 1:05 PM EST
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Collecting?


I'm setting them all up for a controlled burn!


Potato - Potatoe
IronResin Offline
#86 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 3:37 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Collecting?


I'm setting them all up for a controlled burn!


Potato - Potatoe



Cigar collecting by proxy.... Whistle Whistle Whistle
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