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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 11:17 AM EST
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Reports are stating Assad has approved the use of chemical weapons in Idlib.... If true, does the US do anything about it?
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 11:31 AM EST
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Obama is probably going to take credit for it.
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 11:35 AM EST
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Which is a bigger **** story? Syria or Afghanistan?
Screw red lines, just bring our troops home from both...unless and until the administration can articulate a 'goal', or even a strategy...and unless and until Congress explicitly authorizes further war actions, hurry up and gtfo
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 11:44 AM EST
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Turn it into glass..!! Mad
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 11:58 AM EST
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Dave I whole heartedly agree, but losing a war has a big impact in society. Just something to think about.
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 12:23 PM EST
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Losing? Which society?.....everybody is losing....so I guess the societies of all of those involved....forget about winning; I have no clue what that means and even if I did, I'd have zero confidence it would be the least bit attainable....at least if we got out, maybe NOT losing is a lofty goal at this point
dstieger Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 12:32 PM EST
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We've got what? Maybe a couple/few thousand troops in Syria now? But at a financial cost of probably 12-20B per year, depending on how/what you count. We have zero indication that there's a strategy or a goal. We (and people we directly support) are right now, literally in the cross hairs of Syrian regulars; Russian spec ops; Russian mercs; Iranian soldiers; ISIS; Hezbollah, Al Nusra...factions we haven't even named yet? And we can't even trust the Kurds or Free Syrian Army any more....and maybe not even Turkey.....As long as we gtfo, I am not sure I realy gaf if Assad gasses anyone left...I mean, I care, but how much? lemme think about it
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 2:30 PM EST
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It frustrates me too.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 7:13 PM EST
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Jade can help you with that... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 8:41 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Reports are stating Assad has approved the use of chemical weapons in Idlib.... If true, does the US do anything about it?

who reported it? Cuz 'round here we don't believe just any old news source.

we moved aside for Russia & Iran to prop up Assad.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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Jezebel... i get all my news from jezebel...
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 9:01 PM EST
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she's hawt!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 8:29 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Which is a bigger **** story? Syria or Afghanistan?
Screw red lines, just bring our troops home from both...unless and until the administration can articulate a 'goal', or even a strategy...and unless and until Congress explicitly authorizes further war actions, hurry up and gtfo


Ahem, we haven't brought our boys back from Germany, Italy nor Korea. If we're still there...we're going to be controlling the poppy fields a LOT longer.
Buckwheat Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 9:31 AM EST
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“I don’t like Mr. Assad. I’ve worked with him—tried to work with him, I should say,” Colin Powell, former secretary of state to the Bush administration, said Wednesday at the Washington Ideas Forum. “And he is a pathological liar. He’s a devil. I’d like to see him leave.” - Gen. Powell - 2015 horse

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/the-pottery-barn-rule-syria-edition/408193/
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ahem, we haven't brought our boys back from Germany, Italy nor Korea. If we're still there...we're going to be controlling the poppy fields a LOT longer.


What?

Seems a silly comparison. Pretty easy to make a rational case that US troops in those countries continue serving our interests and those of close allies.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 10:35 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
What?

Seems a silly comparison. Pretty easy to make a rational case that US troops in those countries continue serving our interests and those of close allies.



Not really.

You're basing your case on money. Do the math.

It's OUR money. Yours...mine...each and every taxpaying citizen. While other nations race into R&D, healthcare, rapid transit systems, high speed internet grids and a host of other items that the US will NEVER have the luxury of because we're too busy with our bases and soldiers...listening stations...airfields...adds up.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 10:35 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
“I don’t like Mr. Assad. I’ve worked with him—tried to work with him, I should say,” Colin Powell, former secretary of state to the Bush administration, said Wednesday at the Washington Ideas Forum. “And he is a pathological liar. He’s a devil. I’d like to see him leave.” - Gen. Powell - 2015 horse

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/the-pottery-barn-rule-syria-edition/408193/




Colin Powell can go bake a cake.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 10:55 AM EST
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NWO house boy.
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 12:21 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Not really.

You're basing your case on money. Do the math.

It's OUR money. Yours...mine...each and every taxpaying citizen. While other nations race into R&D, healthcare, rapid transit systems, high speed internet grids and a host of other items that the US will NEVER have the luxury of because we're too busy with our bases and soldiers...listening stations...airfields...adds up.



+1 ...

we spend 36% of the total military expenditures of the entire world...that is more than one in every three dollars of every dollar spent on military resources all over the globe...we outspend China, the country that is second in military expenditures, by three times...


well, we do spend a lot on R & D...for military weapons, vehicles and such, most of which is never used...
bgz Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 12:45 PM EST
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Someone has to have the baddest military on the planet... personally, I'd rather it be us.
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 1:07 PM EST
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I'm actually a big fan of military r&d spending. ...

Well.... I'm a big fan of any r&d spending, don't care if it's military or NASA or NIH....
bgz Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 1:25 PM EST
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Ya, I like R&D spending too. You gotta admit, a lot of cool sh*t trickles down from military R&D.
Buckwheat Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 1:26 PM EST
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Hell yeah!! Let's spend it like we actually have it. fog

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 1:30 PM EST
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We're in debt!?
RMAN4443 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 1:33 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
We're in debt!?

Isn't everyone? It's the American way....Think
Mr. Jones Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Sep 11 2018, 3:57 PM EST
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If that dumb ASSAD KEEPS killing all of Syria,

They will all leave for SWEDEN, BELGIUM, GERMANY, ENGLAND , ETC.... AND no one will be left to oppose him...

And EUROPE WILL BE RUINED....

WHICH , I AM SAD TO SAY...

A.L.R.E.A.D.Y. IS...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 6:32 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
If that dumb ASSAD KEEPS killing all of Syria,

They will all leave for SWEDEN, BELGIUM, GERMANY, ENGLAND , ETC.... AND no one will be left to oppose him...

And EUROPE WILL BE RUINED....

WHICH , I AM SAD TO SAY...

A.L.R.E.A.D.Y. IS...



Without ever firing a shot.

Look at what's happening to nations that dare to define their sovereignty!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/11/hungary-punished-eu-sanctions-not-country-of-migrants-viktor-orban

They cannot regain it either. They've doomed themselves. People STILL want to rail on the wall now? Now, is when we should be tightening it up. We do not want that trouble here. Look at all of the great European cities now littered with the homeless immigrants that do not assimilate. Heard a report on that very thing this week.

Landmines, gun turrets and Predator drones.
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