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DrMaddVibe Offline
#51 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 10:28 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I completely get it, and I support it, even knowing that sometimes I have to suffer some anguish during a term here and there from winners with whom I disagree...as it was, I was going to disagree with either candidate the last go round!

I was only saying that you may want to walk back a little from making it sound like a resounding statement by Americans to support the current state of affairs.

I'd add that given the insanity and loss of dignity in the WH, some Trump voters may be having second thoughts.

Hey, we're just expressing some opinions on a discount cigar forum. Me and you, we ain't fixing nothing!




Can't walk back the wishes of 63 million Americans. Can't walk back the results so far either despite the Kenyan King's latest lies he's telling.

People were fed up with career politicians lying to their faces. They elected Trump. Look at what he campaigned on. He's crossing them off one by one. Keeping promises he made on the trail. You can hate him or love him, but to feign that he's not living up to what he said he was going to do is just downright the wrong discernment he deserves.

I didn't vote for him the 1st time. I will the 2nd though. I don't know a single person that regrets their vote for him. I've heard from some on the Left that wished they had've.


https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-trumps-record-trumps-medias-spin-30757
frankj1 Offline
#52 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 1:42 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Was Obama's apology tour how we wanted to be perceived..?? Huh

I dunno, keep reading here about bowing, but that was a cultural nod, not a drop of the flag...not nearly as bad as smiling handshakes giving legitimacy to a few of the worlds deadliest despots while trashing friends.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 1:46 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Can't walk back the wishes of 63 million Americans. Can't walk back the results so far either despite the Kenyan King's latest lies he's telling.

People were fed up with career politicians lying to their faces. They elected Trump. Look at what he campaigned on. He's crossing them off one by one. Keeping promises he made on the trail. You can hate him or love him, but to feign that he's not living up to what he said he was going to do is just downright the wrong discernment he deserves.

I didn't vote for him the 1st time. I will the 2nd though. I don't know a single person that regrets their vote for him. I've heard from some on the Left that wished they had've.


https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-trumps-record-trumps-medias-spin-30757

Simply meant that losing the popular vote (yet legitimately winning the election) absolutely ends talk of a mandate!
I'm no loon, I know he won. I just thought you got carried away.

I'll likely go third party again.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Simply meant that losing the popular vote (yet legitimately winning the election) absolutely ends talk of a mandate!
I'm no loon, I know he won. I just thought you got carried away.

I'll likely go third party again.



I couldn't go 3rd Party with that loon. Seriously..Time and Place.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#55 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 1:54 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I dunno, keep reading here about bowing, but that was a cultural nod, not a drop of the flag...not nearly as bad as smiling handshakes giving legitimacy to a few of the worlds deadliest despots while trashing friends.


The President of the United States of America NEVER bows!

EVER!
frankj1 Offline
#56 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 2:10 PM EST
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that sounds like an arbitrary rule...a bow does not equate to surrender! Not much different than a handshake in many countries, nothing wrong with showing respect for the culture of friends

but he should never help the worst of the worst gain political status and equity with a smile and a hug photo op!
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 2:12 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I couldn't go 3rd Party with that loon. Seriously..Time and Place.

he is a loon, for sure. I was just trying to help a future candidate get some traction with enough percent of votes to make it to the televised debates.
rfenst Offline
#58 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 4:05 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I dunno, keep reading here about bowing, but that was a cultural nod, not a drop of the flag...not nearly as bad as smiling handshakes giving legitimacy to a few of the worlds deadliest despots while trashing friends.


Nothing wrong with customary bow "when in Rome".
tailgater Offline
#59 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 8:21 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Nothing wrong with customary bow "when in Rome".


Careful with that bow if you're in Athens.

Somebody might want to push in your stool.
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 8:43 PM EST
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One of the lawmakers on the hot seat ahead of the vote is Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who recently received a particularly unusual gift in an effort to sway her opinion.

A package of 3,000 coat hangers arrived at Collins’ office in Washington, D.C. -- symbolizing back-alley abortions that took place before they became legal with the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling -- in the hopes of convincing the pro-choice senator to vote against Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation.

sick bassards...Not talking
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 8:53 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
One of the lawmakers on the hot seat ahead of the vote is Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who recently received a particularly unusual gift in an effort to sway her opinion.

A package of 3,000 coat hangers arrived at Collins’ office in Washington, D.C. -- symbolizing back-alley abortions that took place before they became legal with the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling -- in the hopes of convincing the pro-choice senator to vote against Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation.

sick bassards...Not talking

that is very ugly.
She may be pro choice but seems to be leaning toward confirming him...from what I've heard.
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted: Sun, Sep 9 2018, 8:53 PM EST
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Yes.. they are trying to sway her vote... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#63 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 3:40 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
that is very ugly.
She may be pro choice but seems to be leaning toward confirming him...from what I've heard.


BUT seems to be leaning toward confirming him??

Are you suggesting that you can't confirm unless the candidate is in lockstep with every issue?



Kavanaugh gets appointed, guess what happens?
Abortion remains a legal option.

You heard it hear first.
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 6:33 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
BUT seems to be leaning toward confirming him??

Are you suggesting that you can't confirm unless the candidate is in lockstep with every issue?



Kavanaugh gets appointed, guess what happens?
Abortion remains a legal option.

You heard it hear first.


despite the (possible) differences on an issue that is very important to her, she may very well vote to confirm. Who mentioned lockstep? Quite the opposite. The "But" was not as strong as it seemed. And that's hard to write without smirking.

I'd agree it remains legal.
tailgater Offline
#65 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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You had me at strong but.
frankj1 Offline
#66 Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2018, 8:37 PM EST
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smirking out loud
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 3:01 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton on Wednesday repeated a Democratic talking point about Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s use of the phrase “abortion-inducing drugs” -- a claim that has been repeatedly debunked by fact-checkers.

“I want to be sure we're all clear about something that Brett Kavanaugh said in his confirmation hearings last week,” she tweeted. “He referred to birth-control pills as "abortion-inducing drugs." That set off a lot of alarm bells for me, and it should for you, too.”

Kavanaugh, at his Supreme Court confirmation hearing on Thursday was asked about a case he ruled on involving Priests for Life, a pro-life group that was challenging ObamaCare’s contraceptive mandate that the group said violated its religious beliefs.

"That was a group that was being forced to provide certain kind of health coverage over their religious objection to their employees. And under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the question was first, was this a substantial burden on the religious exercise? And it seemed to me quite clearly it was," Kavanaugh told lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee.


"It was a technical matter of filling out a form in that case," he said. "In that case, they said filling out the form would make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs that were, as a religious matter, objected to."

Democrats and pro-choice groups seized on the reference to “abortion-inducing drugs,” which Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., described as a “dog whistle for going after birth control.” A video she tweeted out cut out the preface that showed Kavanaugh was making it clear he was summarizing the arguments of Priests for Life.


Just keep repeating the lies and peoples will believe it...
victor809 Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 3:30 PM EST
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How is this a lie?

If he was repeating the priests false assertion that these are "abortion inducing drugs" while agreeing with him, then that's bad...

Didn't he rule in their favor on this case? That would imply that he agreed in their statement.

The only thing he should be saying is accurate information.
victor809 Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 3:31 PM EST
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Correction.
I think what the Dems said was false.
But kavanaugh did imply through his ruling that he agreed with the false statement the priests made. The Dems should have been precise in their language.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 3:32 PM EST
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What's politifact say?
zitotczito Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 3:57 PM EST
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I don't see what the problem here is. I mean who has a problem killing unborn children for convenience, birth control or socio-economic reasons (98.3% of total). Kill off possible taxpayers and replace them with non-taxpayers, seems like a win-win for this country.
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 4:01 PM EST
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Opel... It says it's a lie. And gives good reasons.
delta1 Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 4:39 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Can't walk back the wishes of 63 million Americans. Can't walk back the results so far either despite the Kenyan King's latest lies he's telling.

People were fed up with career politicians lying to their faces. They elected Trump. Look at what he campaigned on. He's crossing them off one by one. Keeping promises he made on the trail. You can hate him or love him, but to feign that he's not living up to what he said he was going to do is just downright the wrong discernment he deserves.

I didn't vote for him the 1st time. I will the 2nd though. I don't know a single person that regrets their vote for him. I've heard from some on the Left that wished they had've.


https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-trumps-record-trumps-medias-spin-30757



d'oh!
rfenst Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 5:27 PM EST
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I think people voted for Trump mostly because he wasn't Hillary.
frankj1 Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 5:43 PM EST
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the key to winning modern elections is to get previously uninvolved voters to get off the couch and vote. Obama was successful with minorities twice. Hillary could not sustain that momentum.

She got many more votes than Trump overall, but did not work the geography intelligently.

A yuuuge part of Trump's win, considering electoral votes, was from the rust belt types (and pockets elsewhere in the same boat) who normally don't vote but were now stirred by enough passion and anger from the ongoing recovery bypassing them. Yeah, some got insurance, but few got jobs, or at least jobs worth having.

Things may revert however. Many of them have the same poor or non employment issues, and less have insurance...the question will be if they are still directing their anger where they did 2 years ago, or will they sit back on the couch?
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 8:47 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I think people voted for Trump mostly because he wasn't Hillary.


Then why aren't I president?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 8:49 PM EST
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Hanging chads...
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
the key to winning modern elections is to get previously uninvolved voters to get off the couch and vote. Obama was successful with minorities twice. Hillary could not sustain that momentum.

She got many more votes than Trump overall, but did not work the geography intelligently.

A yuuuge part of Trump's win, considering electoral votes, was from the rust belt types (and pockets elsewhere in the same boat) who normally don't vote but were now stirred by enough passion and anger from the ongoing recovery bypassing them. Yeah, some got insurance, but few got jobs, or at least jobs worth having.

Things may revert however. Many of them have the same poor or non employment issues, and less have insurance...the question will be if they are still directing their anger where they did 2 years ago, or will they sit back on the couch?


I'm disappointed in this post.

First paragraph is fine.
Second is your way of saying "see! she got more votes!" You're better than that.
Third belittles American voters. Yes. It does.
And the last is twisting the facts. Americans are working like never before. There are half million open jobs and nobody to fill them. If people aren't working, they're either tied to young children or they aren't trying.

You might be right. They might be on the couch at the mid terms.
But I'm disappointed at your cynicism.


frankj1 Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'm disappointed in this post.

First paragraph is fine.
Second is your way of saying "see! she got more votes!" You're better than that.
Third belittles American voters. Yes. It does.
And the last is twisting the facts. Americans are working like never before. There are half million open jobs and nobody to fill them. If people aren't working, they're either tied to young children or they aren't trying.

You might be right. They might be on the couch at the mid terms.
But I'm disappointed at your cynicism.



well, she got more votes. A few million more! you can't be arguing that. None of them were mine though.

American non-voters deserve belittling.

It is indisputable that the specific voters I referenced are not enjoying the nearly decade long recovery that you and I are enjoying. Detroit vs Boston? Please.

If I was really a cynic, I'd tell them to move over and make some room for my fat azz on the couch.
delta1 Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 2:01 PM EST
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that's exactly right...by not voting, we, collectively, empower a motivated minority...

Trump's base, between 35-40% of Americans, and many disillusioned independents, elected him.

His base continues to staunchly support and defend him and believe in what he's doing. They don't care about his sideshow or any potential explosive baggage...
DrafterX Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:05 PM EST
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Well, there is the economy and foreign trade overhaul and stuff.. tax cuts.. just stuff.. Mellow
bgz Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:16 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
How is this a lie?

If he was repeating the priests false assertion that these are "abortion inducing drugs" while agreeing with him, then that's bad...

Didn't he rule in their favor on this case? That would imply that he agreed in their statement.

The only thing he should be saying is accurate information.


Abortion inducing drugs are a thing (not the same as the ones that prevent fertilization).

There was a story here in AZ where a pharmacist refused to fill a prescription for a lady who actually needed them because it was against his beliefs. She actually needed them because the fetus was already dead, and he refused to fill the prescription. Not sure if it made national news or not, but I didn't know they existed until this story broke.
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#83 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:25 PM EST
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What's funnier than a dead fetus..??



A dead fetus in a clown suit..!! Laugh
bgz Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:32 PM EST
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Can't believe I just lol'd at that.
victor809 Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:33 PM EST
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Yeah...that story is a whole other level of terrible. Not sure how keeping a dead fetus in a person fits anyone's religious beliefs....

But while there are abortifacients on the market, this isn't that simple an answer.
It seems logical that a company such as hobby lobby ( the company the case was over) could simply state that they will only allow insurance to cover drugs which inhibit egg release and not those which inhibit implantation. That covers a very large number of drugs.

And his statement, in summarizing the case, implied that their disagreement was with the abortifacients only, yet the ruling he gave was across the board all oral contraceptives. That implies he either does not understand the function (which is scary because it means he is judging based on a poorly understood concept) or he likes the religiously weighted and inaccurate term.
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#86 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:36 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Can't believe I just lol'd at that.

Same here..
frankj1 Offline
#87 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:36 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Can't believe I just lol'd at that.

it's the way he tells it.
victor809 Offline
#88 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:40 PM EST
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Is it a tiny fetus sized clown suit? Or an adult clown suit? Is it like in the pocket of the clown suit? ;)
bgz Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 3:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Yeah...that story is a whole other level of terrible. Not sure how keeping a dead fetus in a person fits anyone's religious beliefs....

But while there are abortifacients on the market, this isn't that simple an answer.
It seems logical that a company such as hobby lobby ( the company the case was over) could simply state that they will only allow insurance to cover drugs which inhibit egg release and not those which inhibit implantation. That covers a very large number of drugs.

And his statement, in summarizing the case, implied that their disagreement was with the abortifacients only, yet the ruling he gave was across the board all oral contraceptives. That implies he either does not understand the function (which is scary because it means he is judging based on a poorly understood concept) or he likes the religiously weighted and inaccurate term.


Ya, I thought it was pretty brain dead too.

As far as the judges ruling, I haven't actually read anything on it, but I'm guessing judges often have to rule on subjects they don't know much about. I have the same complaint about "Jury of your peers" as well... as they often have no clue about the subject matter that they're being relied upon to make sane decisions about.
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#90 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 6:00 PM EST
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wtf...an actual sane dialogue here...all while the circus is roaring around it...


one can find signs of hope for America in the oddest of places...
bgz Offline
#91 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2018, 7:03 PM EST
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IKR, back to our previously scheduled programming.
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#92 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2018, 11:10 AM EST
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The liberal organizations Mainers for Accountable Leadership and the Maine People’s Alliance are using the crowdfunding site in an effort to strong-arm Collins into voting “no” on Judge Kavanaugh.

Under terms of the fundraising deal, donors pledge money with a credit card. If Collins votes “yes” on Kavanaugh’s nomination, the cards will be charged and all donations will go to Collins’ opponent in 2020 – whoever that may be.

However, if Collins votes “no” on Kavanaugh’s confirmation the cards won’t be charged and no donations will be given to her opponent. No harm, no foul.

Collins said of these scheme: “It’s offensive. It’s of questionable legality. And it is extraordinary to me that people would want to participate in trying to essentially buy a Senator’s vote.”


This is where Trump Derangement Syndrome has led us.

If you think this whole “fundraising” campaign sounds shady, you’re not alone.

While Collins stressed that this won’t influence her vote, she wasted no time calling out this effort, saying: “I consider this quid pro quo fundraising to be the equivalent of an attempt to bribe me to vote against Judge Kavanaugh.”

The law could be on her side, though she hasn’t decided if she is going to pursue any legal action.

“I have had three attorneys tell me that they think it is a clear violation of the federal law on bribery,” Collins said. “Actually, two told me that; one told me it’s extortion.”

The left-wing rage is also being unleashed on the senator’s personal office. She’s received vulgar harassment calls, as well as a rape threat against one of her staffers, which has been reported to law enforcement.

Film at 11... Think
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