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I thought she helped them...

I'll have to read it again...

if this case was just a local thing, I'd say just more poor behavior on the part of the wealthiest brats on Earth.

For decades the sons of the ruling class have gone to schools that laugh at upper class Private Schools as Ghetto!
These boys have had sexual misdeeds on their to-do-before-graduating lists for generations...several have had their games blown open to the public in the last few years. Many have been running actual contests forever, complete with scorecards hidden for posterity behind false walls.

Bravo, you entitled cowards.

That said, in no way does that mean Kavanaugh did anything, but I must admit (if I'm being honest) that my initial gut reaction (and we all had at least one of those) was quite different than most that have been posted here...which seem to innately suspect the female is making it up.

My reaction was: how many more of these stories will come to light before these people realize they are not entitled to treat others this way?

And just for good measure, I'll repeat that none of this means I know with the certainty of 98.2% here of guilt or innocence in this case, and I would prefer to let it unfold...

so, the timing is another factor in why I'd like to let it play out and if she has been "hired" I'd like to know.
That would be a horrific thing to do to another human regardless of politics, and punishment should ensue.

yet, I do tend to be on the side that understands that sexual assaults are the most under reported and/or late to be reported category of crimes of all. Even when males are the victims, whether of the Church, or camp, or trusted teachers...

it's easy to find the reasons. and it's easier to get it when looking at the women in our lives...family and beyond. Just reading the other thread on this might show what women are up against IF they are courageous enough to come out of the shadows.

"so, this broad claims..."
can't imagine the women in my life being comfortable with that reaction. And how many sexual assaults have witnesses, whether 1 day or 36 years later. These assaults work best when no one else is privy to them...Duh.

I do not know if this is true. But the odds are no better on either side. Let's hear it out.

I think it's highly likely that something happened that night.
But the end result was nothing more than a boob grab. Technically assault if she was an unwilling partner, but it was teens drinking at a party. There is no possible way for someone to remember with clarity that far back. None.
And it's been out there long enough for others to come forward. But none have. Which means that the guy didn't carry his borderline reckless behavior into adulthood.

So it's time to stop.

Nothing will be gained if we "hear it out". Except it will make a certain portion of our population "feed good".

Why? What can possibly come of an investigation into an alleged groping that happened 4 decades ago, Frank?

Assume he's lying. Does anyone think an appeals court judge (an accomplished, venerated lawyer) is going to be caught in a lie?

Assume she's lying. How the hell do you prove it?

How about this... have the vote. Confirm him, as he should be, then do your investigation and impeach him if you find anything. Win/Win.

Justices can be impeached.

Rant on:

These fake/vague/false sexual abuse/rape/etc allegations are a double tragedy, they impune the innocent and much worse they undermine real victims of sexual abuse/rape/etc.

Rant off:

my buddy tg wrote more than questioning the need for an investigation.
I simply don't agree with that minimalized wording such as "simple boob grabbing" and some of the other stuff written.

I'm not preaching, Shawn. I'm no example/role model. And I accept that you and Joe disagree with me...that's all it is.

As to your question, I'm not part of any coordinated Dem stall conspiracy theory, but what I think can come of an investigation is what we should want: a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land for a candidate beyond question. And a question has come up.

I think a later oopsie moment impeachment would be far messier and worse for the country than exercising patience and prudence. I do not want to try to undo a preventable mistake. A bad deal gets worse.

I also think you will end up with your wishes happening in this case...so ride it out, just in case.

Stranger things have happened.

wasn't she asked to not release it?
seems like so long ago I can't remember what I heard.

I understood your position, and tag's too.
never thought we had a problem.

I still think he'd get confirmed even with the loss of some seats though. It's hard to justify rejecting a qualified candidate, even of the opposing political view, even with a single issue difference. Plus you never know if said candidate would see his/her personal views compelling enough to override constitutional correctness...something we all must hope would happen.

some interesting times we live in though, eh bro?

You know, maybe I'm wrong about Ford's allegation. But if that's true, I have to face the fact there is a ton more evidence that most of you guys posting here are sausage party butt pirate sex freaks, but facts are facts, I suppose.

Et tu, Brute?

Nothing less.

Not many excuses for being surprised after posting here for a couple of weeks let alone many years.

you are incorrect in that if we believe Ford 100%...cuz if we do believe then it was attempted rape as he covered her mouth, turned up the music, AND tried unsuccessfully to remove her clothes. You seem to know what happened, I don't.

if we believe her 100%, you are also incorrect to call any unwanted sexual advances getting too frisky, or boob grabs, or any other minimizing term. It's sexual assault...IF it happened. The women in my life believe the law is correct on this, when it happens.

You are incorrect, booze is not an excuse and does not lessen a person's guilt IF they are guilty, or even IF the victim is drunk, especially under the age of consent. Again, I don't know, don't know how you do either.

Which is why an investigation is called for...to try to determine IF guilty. Then we can both hope to know...

You don't believe her 100%. I have no reason to believe or not believe yet. And as is often the case, even after cases are settled, I'm not always sure the truth has been 100% uncovered.

I have no idea why she has been advised to testify first or last, but you are incorrect. He is not the defendant. This is not a trial in a court of law. He will not be convicted of anything during this.

If you have read other stuff I have written previously, I believe this will not amount to anything that will deter his appointment...so I guess short of a sudden emotional confession or damaging video, I don't believe her 100% either...but I want the process to happen so that a lifetime appointed judge is clearly not a grievous preventable error.

I have nothing to say about moonbats delaying, except it's the equal yet opposite of libs saying cons are very nervous someone just may step forward with compelling evidence or worse, more charges..

I am in neither camp. Interesting to read fear from polar views though.

Gotta be the third or fourth time over two threads I have reworded the same basic thoughts...also the last.
Unless in person. Writing hasn't worked yet.

Though MACS understood last night and he was drinking beers!

A woman who attended Yale at the same time he did has stepped forward. She said that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party and someone yelled that Kavanaugh had exposed himself to her. She also admits that she had been drinking at the party. Also Michael Avenatti stated the he representsa woman with veritable information about Kavanaugh.

Damn... I was hoping he'd be confirmed before more came forward. This is lessening the chances of him being judgy mcrapeface...