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And people aren't complaining about cost because there's this weird stigma surrounding it.
No matter what the price do you think you're going to hear someone say "I can't believe how expensive my abortion last week was!!!"

Your strange belief that it must be paid for by someone else because you haven't heard "that demographic" complain about the cost is... Weird and nonsensical.

(and no... That isn't a joke. She literally was in a panic that a law would be passed making it illegal before she got the appointment) I don't think she was fully thinking through the lawmaking process, but given the circumstances I let it slide.

Yes.

They fund some of the services.

They don't fund abortions. You've tried pushing that myth as well.

If Uncle Sam pulled the plug yesterday, do you think it would impact their abortion services?

Your college roommate's parents weren't funding your kitchen use simply because they paid his half of the rent.

So your solution is to repeat our perpetual mistake of overpopulating the world for the sake of the old people indefinitely forever?

Got it.

I have no problem with immigrants that are here legally.

Maybe we should encourage 3rd world countries to embrace abortions.

Legal immigrants are fine with me. As for the 3rd world, birth control is a good start, sadly, the funding of which was cut or ended over concerns with abortion.

The statistics, at least in in this case, are clear, developed nations are not having enough babies to sustain their population. 3rd world nations are reproducing like crazy, it cannot go on forever and may end in some ugly way. Time for Mother Nature to spread another pandemic decease and save the planet.

I said the woman would be better off aborting if she's not at a position in life to properly care for a child (still her choice mind you). Where You would rather see a bunch of struggling mothers with fatherless kids...

I would rather allow the mothers to have an opportunity to have a shot at life and let them decide when to have children and not decide it for them.

You're the azzhole here, not me;)

OK, but you first.

Are you saying whites, Latinas and Asians can't have an unwanted pregnancy at an inopportune time?

That's a pretty racist position dude.

Because you only think it applies to blacks and Jews, if a Jewish crackhead got pregnant, you're saying you would rather force the mother to go through with the pregnancy even though the child's life will likely be hell?

You're a monster.

That's precisely what it means.



Actually, they are funding my kitchen. Because I can't afford the kitchen without them. I can only live there with them paying half.

Let's put this in terms you might understand.

You have a barrel with 10 gallons of pure water.
I jokingly add an ounce of concentrated urine I found in TW's cupboard.
You get angry, so I remove an ounce from the barrel.

Do you now have 1,280 ounces of pure water again?

The two things are not separate.
Even if all of the baby-killing operational fees are kept separate, there is overlap in the administration costs. Planned parenthood would need LESS overhead without their death factory operation. Heck, I'd say they could operate with a skeleton crew, but that's a dark pun and in reality no government agency is that savvy.

This is not my fight.
I don't want back ally abortions. Ever.
But I hate it when people lie about the funding. Or when they don't understand but will embrace the party line anyway.

Truth be told and aborted baby might cost us less in the long run.
But we'll never know.
Maybe that aborted baby was the next Einstein. Or Victor6969. Or Trump.

We already killed that argument.

Tail... That's not logical.
Why, in your scenario, is government funding abortion? What about abortion donations and fees subsidizing the facility so it can perform mammograms or whatever?
Of the services provided, only 3% are abortions. Does private donations look anything close to only 3% of revenue?

Face it... Private donations for abortion are funding your government sponsored STI testing....

So let's see what we've learned:

A. purposely killing a beating heart is not killing at all.
B. Abortions are free to taxpayers. Heck, they save us money.
C. Donations pay for abortions. Like a GoFundMe page or something.
D. Our federal tax dollars pay for Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood pays for abortions. But our federal tax dollars don't pay for abortions.
E. Mothers can choose to abort even if the father doesn't want to.
F. Mothers can keep it even if the father wants to abort.
G. Mothers who keep it can then require the father to pay support.


Did I miss anything?

Like a GoFundMe for abortions.
Brilliant!

Tail-
A - a beating heart is meaningless. It's a muscle like any other. It will be replaceable by a machine at some point in the future so if you link that to life you're gonna have some issues.
B- huh? They cost you if you want them. But yes, they don't cost Joe taxpayer anything if he doesn't get one... And they do likely save him money
C- donations do pay for abortions. And possibly non government medical services reimbursement (don't know how that breaks down)
D- one could even argue planned Parenthood pays for some otherwise federally funded services
E- I agree.
F- I already said I think an abortion should be an option for either party. Both parties should be able to pull the plug.
G- see my above answer. But I get it, this is just you whining like a little snowflake.

You do loves to argue.

Look at A.
I said stopping a beating heart is not killing. You appear to agree, but you feel compelled to add your 2 cents.
Ditto with B.

C, you're simply wrong.

You get the gist.

But I'm the snowflake.

Your outburst is duly noted.

Well .. no... Cuz he was aborted. ;)

Funny.
I assumed you were being sarcastic.


Meanwhile, your blather about the robo-heart is irrelevant.
If a machine can make a heart beat, that doesn't mean that a natural heart beat is not a sign of life.

Alternatively, if a heart beat machine is keeping your pappy alive and you purposely unplug him are you saying it's not killing?

So I say again.
I thought you were being sarcastic.

Or was it all just a ploy to hide your ignorance on how funding works?

You can keep a heart beating however you'd like.

The point is that if you stop it, the living being will die.



When I was a kid I didn't care about abortion.
Hell, I thought it might be a good plan B if I wasn't careful enough.

Then I was an expecting father.
After two miscarriages and fertility drugs for my wife we were cautiously optimistic.
And then I saw the ultrasound of my daughter at 12 weeks.
Tiny.
But 100% my little girl.

And yet still completely legal to kill if we wanted to execute that "choice" on that very same day.
12 weeks. First trimester. Fair game.

Keep it legal.
I get it.
It is a choice.
I understand.
But to refuse to acknowledge that it is absolutely 100% a life? To claim it's not a little human?
That's your own insecurities trying to justify your decision.
A decision made for convenience.


I'm not a zealot on the matter. I've got close friends that I love dearly who've had an abortion. It doesn't define a person, or at least it shouldn't.
But I shudder when I hear the cavalier and dismissive attitudes out there.
It shouldn't be called a mere choice.
It's an important decision and should be treated as such.

I'm just surprised that viewpoint offends so many.

I gave my opinion.
You claim you're not offended, and then go on to rant about it.

If you believe that most abortions are made from such conviction rather than sheer convenience then I'd suggest you look into how many women who aborted never become a parent.
If not being a parent is a firm decision I respect that. In your eyes I guess their only alternative is to abort.

Honest question: when you paid for the abortion, did you and your GF ever give consideration to adoption?

People won't buy a pair of jeans without trying on at least two. Yet they choose abortion without even understanding another option. That's 100% their right. But it IS cavalier in terms of it's impact on the decision to abort.

Tail.... If you think that's a rant then you're more of a sensitive snowflake than I've said you are.

I don't pretend to know why people make the decisions they do. Honestly I don't know why most people have children. It makes zero sense to me, and I've always assumed a huge percentage do it simply because they think they're supposed to. But I'm likely wrong.

Adoption in my mind isn't an acceptable resolution. It's better than actually having a child, but has significant drawbacks when compared to abortion. It may be for others, not for me. I see two problems, 1- the mother still has to go through the wear and tear on her body, the weight gain, the restriction of activities, the stretch marks. 2- it still creates another child in this world which doesn't really need any more. (Yes I know everyone wants a cute white baby, but the world doesn't actually need more babies. If someone wants a kid that bad they should help the older ones out).

To paraphrase:

Tail, if you think that's a rant, you've seen nothing yet!






Question: How does categorizing your objections to my posted opinions as a "rant" classify me as a snowflake?
You can do better than that.

If meaning is nothing more than the result of social constructs, the worst thing that can be said about Hitler is that he was ahead of his time...

Yall are all monsters.