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Lock her up!
Speyside Offline
#1 Posted:
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Turns out Ivanka sent non government secured emails to people like cabinet members during 2017. I imagine our conservatives here want the same justice for Ivanka that they have wanted for Hillary for years so lock her up!
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted:
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no they don't.
RMAN4443 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Let's address Hildog's issues first, so we have a precedent, then we can worry about Ivanka...if she broke the law,she should be dealt with the same way Hildog fared
MACS Offline
#4 Posted:
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If it's true, I don't like it. However... given the fact Ivanka is new to politics and OpSec, I'd be more willing to see her clearance revoked than jail time. But she should feel some form of reprimand. This isn't something to be taken lightly, obviously.

Hillary? Well versed in politics and OpSec. She knew what she was doing, and did it anyway. But as RMan said... the precedent has been set... by the DEMS... so they look like absolute hypocrites. Surprise! Not.
Krazeehorse Offline
#5 Posted:
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One comparison the MSM made is that Ivanka did not use her own server and she did not delete the emails. Like Macs said. The precedent has been set. You can say shame on you all you want but if there's no consequences then there's no need to modify your behavior. (But I'm old enough to remember when being told "shame on you" WAS a consequence and you WERE ashamed)
Burner02 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Turns out Ivanka sent non government secured emails to people like cabinet members during 2017. I imagine our conservatives here want the same justice for Ivanka that they have wanted for Hillary for years so lock her up!



It appears Spey that you are comparing apples and oranges. But if Ivanka breached gov com protocol then she should receive the appropriate level of punishment. I do find it very humorous that many on left are putting this at the level of setting up an unauthorized server in a non government facility and transmitting "CLASSIFIED" info through said server. Also, primary purpose for server was to conceal communications about ones involvement in a certain "Foundation."

Just curious, where was your concern this past week when it was released that it was documented that Comey used his personal email account to send FBI related sensitive emails. So sensitive that the contents can not be released to the public.
surfish1961 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Turns out Ivanka sent non government secured emails to people like cabinet members during 2017. I imagine our conservatives here want the same justice for Ivanka that they have wanted for Hillary for years so lock her up!

Maybe. But did she delete 33,000+ e-mails, destroy 2 cell phones with a hammer, and wipe a private server clean with "BleachBit" all under subpoena by a government agency. If she didn't then STFU.

I also don't believe she's Secretary of State.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted:
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Despite all the expert opinion in here Hillary was investigated multiple times and there was nothing actionable discovered. Most folks in here disagree with the results and often spread misinformation. Some of which is in this very thread and I think folks here actually beleive the misinformation.

We wasted a lot of time and money on those investigations for purely political purposes and to paint the picture that the Clintons are above the law. An easy picture to paint given their slimey actions.

So we elect a reality tv carnival barker because he isn’t Hillary. The dude and his family also beleive they are above the law, entitled and are every bit as slimy or more than the Clintons. Yet we are willing to rationalize it all because.... well Hillary or Obama.

Many of you are exactly what you profess to despise.

The Hillary investigations were obsessive and more than complete. They showed slime not crime which is no surprise. Some think it was crime but if there was she’d go down. Lock her up is a stupid farce some buy in to.

As for Ivanka same deal. Slime no crime likely. Do one tenth of the investigation done on Hillary and if no obvious crime move on.

Hillary is Trump, Trump is Hillary and the hatfields and McCoy’s dig in thinking they are being logical.

Nothing new here.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
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You sure love Hillary... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted:
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So she really did just wipe her server with a rag or somethin..?? Huh
bgz Offline
#11 Posted:
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There's protocols in place for a reason and I mostly agree with MACS. I think Hillary's private email server was a much larger risk due to her powerful position. I also think her strategy was far more dangerous to national security as she had some guy of unknown tech skills managing her personal server out of her toilet room. What kind of security was in place there? Was the dude any good? Was he trustworthy? In any case, the situation was much more shady than Ivanka's.

With that, Ivanka should have known better. With all that was said on the campaign trail, she should have known better. I think she should be punished, but it likely won't happen.

Comparing the two, I would say the Hillary situation was more shady, where Ivanka situation was just pure incompetence.

Lock 'em both up IMO.
Speyside Offline
#12 Posted:
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Burner, I am not concerned. I am just pointing out the obvious. Hillary committed no chargeable crime, neither did Ivanka. But people still argue that Hillary should be convicted, which is absurd. The lock her up theme played to a bunch of people in Trumps base. It still does. They both broke the same protocols, they both should be held to the same standards. The apples to oranges analogy does not work. They both used non government servers. It is not a question of private server versus public server. Nor is it a matter of content. It is about using a non government server.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted:
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If someone else was in charge Hillary would have been convicted.. ignoring that is insanity.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Not a matter of content???
Speyside Offline
#15 Posted:
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Thinking that is insanity.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted:
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Highly Careless but not Negligent...

Get real.. Not talking
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Right, because everyone has equal access in the executive branch to all levels of classification.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted:
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You do understand the differences between potential and actionable threats right? And the difference between a WH advisor and someone who has oversight over HUMINT assists?
Speyside Offline
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Do you understand the law?
Abrignac Offline
#20 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Do you understand the law?


I’ve not had the time to research this issue. What law are you suggesting she broke?
tailgater Offline
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Thou shalt not be a Trump.

ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted:
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I would have changed the subject and answered a question with a question too.......
Gene363 Online
#23 Posted:
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Was it top secret information?

Was she sending the email from an non government server?

Was the server operated with inadequate security measures?

Did she have the server destroyed after it disclosed to the public?

Did she take a hammer to the disk drive(s)?

Burner02 Offline
#24 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Burner, I am not concerned. I am just pointing out the obvious. Hillary committed no chargeable crime, neither did Ivanka. But people still argue that Hillary should be convicted, which is absurd. The lock her up theme played to a bunch of people in Trumps base. It still does. They both broke the same protocols, they both should be held to the same standards. The apples to oranges analogy does not work. They both used non government servers. It is not a question of private server versus public server. Nor is it a matter of content. It is about using a non government server.



Just how Hillary was hoping her base would react and it worked.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Or hand over wiped devices.....
frankj1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Despite all the expert opinion in here Hillary was investigated multiple times and there was nothing actionable discovered. Most folks in here disagree with the results and often spread misinformation. Some of which is in this very thread and I think folks here actually beleive the misinformation.

We wasted a lot of time and money on those investigations for purely political purposes and to paint the picture that the Clintons are above the law. An easy picture to paint given their slimey actions.

So we elect a reality tv carnival barker because he isn’t Hillary. The dude and his family also beleive they are above the law, entitled and are every bit as slimy or more than the Clintons. Yet we are willing to rationalize it all because.... well Hillary or Obama.

Many of you are exactly what you profess to despise.

The Hillary investigations were obsessive and more than complete. They showed slime not crime which is no surprise. Some think it was crime but if there was she’d go down. Lock her up is a stupid farce some buy in to.

As for Ivanka same deal. Slime no crime likely. Do one tenth of the investigation done on Hillary and if no obvious crime move on.

Hillary is Trump, Trump is Hillary and the hatfields and McCoy’s dig in thinking they are being logical.

Nothing new here.


s'up tw?

I wrote similar in another current thread:
Re Hillary...

"I understand everyone is positive of the guilt or innocence based on their views...even me sometimes...but we've covered it for years now.

I don't harbor the hate for the Clinton's (not to be confused with supporting them) that exists here, but I'm OK with the findings of life long Republicans who investigated and determined there would be no guilty verdict.

That's different than saying "not guilty", but it still ended years ago. And he got a lasting dagger in her with reopening the case just before the election, so there was some "justice" for some of ya."

I'll add in this thread about the young Trump...probably nothing earthshaking has come from her dumb move. Probably no reason to make a "federal case" out of it either.

Really stupid to claim she had no idea, after all that was written and said about Hillary, and less so about Powell when he did it, and probably others before and since we never heard about, but really stupid to have missed this very volatile story that her father, the POTUS, kept alive with Crooked Hillary and lock her up stuff...how did his daughter not know?

I believe I answered that above...really stupid.


Abrignac Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
s'up tw?

I wrote similar in another current thread:
Re Hillary...

"I understand everyone is positive of the guilt or innocence based on their views...even me sometimes...but we've covered it for years now.

I don't harbor the hate for the Clinton's (not to be confused with supporting them) that exists here, but I'm OK with the findings of life long Republicans who investigated and determined there would be no guilty verdict.

That's different than saying "not guilty", but it still ended years ago. And he got a lasting dagger in her with reopening the case just before the election, so there was some "justice" for some of ya."

I'll add in this thread about the young Trump...probably nothing earthshaking has come from her dumb move. Probably no reason to make a "federal case" out of it either.

Really stupid to claim she had no idea, after all that was written and said about Hillary, and less so about Powell when he did it, and probably others before and since we never heard about, but really stupid to have missed this very volatile story that her father, the POTUS, kept alive with Crooked Hillary and lock her up stuff...how did his daughter not know?

I believe I answered that above...really stupid.




Yep.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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yeah.
it ain't going anywhere.
bgz Offline
#29 Posted:
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I disagree. I think security in communication of government officials is very important and not to be taken lightly.

I really do think there should be major consequences for not following communications protocol. The higher the position, the more major the consequences.

The group of people coming up now have had more time to understand internet security because the internet has been around for most if not all their lives.

It shouldn't be that hard for the younger generation to understand, where as I kinda get it with the old farts.

Hillary doesn't apply though... she had her own private email server with physical and administrative access to the hardware and operating system respectively.

For the position she was in, it can only be seen as reckless and shady.

You don't have that type of setup if you're a non-IT person just wanting a private email for chatting up your old buddies about movies and other non-work related crap.

Seriously, I've ran mail servers... I have no desire to run my own mail server, it's more hassle than it's worth unless you got something to hide.

Not to mention a target like her is just looking to get hacked... so it was also stupid.
DrafterX Offline
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Sounds like this old news from 14 months ago.. she sent some unclassified stuff, it was caught, it was cleaned up and actions were taken to prevent it from happening again... No cover-up or smashing of phones and stuff... Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#31 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Despite all the expert opinion in here Hillary was investigated multiple times and there was nothing actionable discovered. Most folks in here disagree with the results and often spread misinformation. Some of which is in this very thread and I think folks here actually beleive the misinformation.

We wasted a lot of time and money on those investigations for purely political purposes and to paint the picture that the Clintons are above the law. An easy picture to paint given their slimey actions.

So we elect a reality tv carnival barker because he isn’t Hillary. The dude and his family also beleive they are above the law, entitled and are every bit as slimy or more than the Clintons. Yet we are willing to rationalize it all because.... well Hillary or Obama.

Many of you are exactly what you profess to despise.

The Hillary investigations were obsessive and more than complete. They showed slime not crime which is no surprise. Some think it was crime but if there was she’d go down. Lock her up is a stupid farce some buy in to.

As for Ivanka same deal. Slime no crime likely. Do one tenth of the investigation done on Hillary and if no obvious crime move on.

Hillary is Trump, Trump is Hillary and the hatfields and McCoy’s dig in thinking they are being logical.

Nothing new here.



Surely, it was not my comment about the Foundation that brought you down from your fence? Its my opinion and I will stick with it. Hillary had the server set up to hide something and the Foundation was the cash cow and would be the most logical. If you have not read #’s 11 & 29 do so, bgz is spot on in his take on the com and IT aspect.

So, an investigation into an unauthorized server and the mishandling of classified information by the former Secretary of State was a waste of time/money? I would have to disagree and would consider this to be misinformation. It is unfortunate that the former Secretary of State would create such an issue that would waste all of the resources that it took to prove they the Clintons were above the law. Guess we can bring up the Russia probe later.

I do find your assertion that the Hillary investigations were obsessive and more than complete also misinformation. However, I will give it to you that with Comey’s overall leadership and McCabe’s (documented Trump hater) involvement it had to be “obsessive and more than complete.” What really gave me the warm, fuzzy feeling was the Clinton/Lynch tarmac meeting. Nothing to see here, just golf and grand kids.

You have indicated in the past that you have or had a security clearance. I will take you at your word that you do or did. I’m guessing that you were not responsible for secure com. If I’m wrong and you are/were responsible for secure com and you think Hillary did nothing wrong, then you and people like you are a big part of the problem. Rules don’t apply.

Carry on!

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