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CALIFORNIA "CAMP FIRES"...yea...right...100% caused by HADJI TERRORISTS
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#101 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
It’s implied that everything is his fault.

Shame he can’t keep his mouth shut.

you been talking to tail too much.
no one said trump was to blame for this.
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#102 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:

"The second (key reason why California is the perfect tinderbox) is that California has a naturally dry climate, made worse by climate change and Trump's disregard for climate policies."




It was on the internets... Mellow
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#103 Posted:
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I'll be expecting an apology any time now.

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#104 Posted:
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Trump never apologizes...but makes contradictory statements...which can be construed as apologies...
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#105 Posted:
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Have you seen the viral videos coming out of Finland?

f-raking hillarious...
Speyside Offline
#106 Posted:
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Frank, you know it's bad when even tail expects Trump to apologize.
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, you know it's bad when even tail expects Trump to apologize.

he meant me!
He'll get one in private...
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#108 Posted:
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LMAO, you couldn't play along with the joke?
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#109 Posted:
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rake him over the coals...
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#110 Posted:
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Logging never killed one spotted owl, the invasive Bard owl did......

Now the idiots who stopped logging are paying to kill Bard owls but not taking responsibility for basing policy off of unfounded claims.

Think banning lead bullets and climate change.

Control control control
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but the oil and gas industry plays that game better...and is much better financed...
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#112 Posted:
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Don’t be so sure about that. They’re largely fractional compared to watermelons.
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#113 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Don’t be so sure about that. They’re largely fracktional compared to watermelons.


and therein lies a problem...
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#114 Posted:
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A little fracking never hurt anyone.. Mellow
tailgater Offline
#115 Posted:
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No apologies necessary.
It's a sign of weakness.

Well, unless you fake an apology for something that you didn't personally do.
That makes you 44.

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MACS wrote:
Um... hey Delta1...

California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists.

The Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that Brown is proposing one of the most significant changes to the state's logging rules in nearly half a century.

"Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California’s logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state," the paper reports.

Environmentalists in California aren't on board. They've been pushing for years to make California's logging rules more restrictive, not less, but in the wake of the deadly forest fires that ripped through the state this month, prominent lawmakers believe a change must be made before more people die from a preventable situation.

"Under Brown’s proposal, private landowners would be able to cut trees up to 36 inches in diameter — up from the current 26 inches — on property 300 acres or less without getting a timber harvest permit from the state, as long as their purpose was to thin forests to reduce fire risk," the Sentinel reports. "They also would be able to build roads of up to 600 feet long without getting a permit, as long as they repaired and replanted them."

Forests, particularly in northern California, California lawmakers admit, have become dangerously overgrown. But there's currently little incentive for landowners to clear their trees — they are only allowed to clear dead and decaying wood and undergrowth and can't clear healthy tress. By allowing landowners to recover some money from the process — letting them create and sell lumber, for instance — it could incentivize them to make bigger changes.



just read this...good start, but these proposals apply only to privately owned land...the vast majority of forest land in CA is publicly owned by the state and federal governments...to do extensive forest management in all these areas will require massive amounts of money/taxes...maybe we can contract out to private logging companies to do the work at discounted rates with the lumber they harvest as their incentive to pay for this...

the problem though is that forest management can't control the meteorologic conditions that create more dangerous scenarios in places where fires naturally occur...prolonged drought contributes to drier more flammable vegetation...extreme rains encourage thicker growth of underbrush, stuff that grows rapidly when we do get rain, then dies when drought conditions return...more frequent periods of fast winds with low humidity now occur regularly throughout the year to expand the "fire season" year-round...

the Paradise fire was not in the middle of the forest...what made it so deadly was the speed at which the fire spread, driven by dry winds, the lack of an effective warning system, poor and narrow roads...

other contributing factors will require legislative fixes: restriction of allowing residential development or growth near fire hazard zones...restricting utility companies from installing their infrastructure in high fire hazard areas or requiring them to install their lines underground and to clear large areas around their stations...electrical utilities have been identified as the "spark" that set many of the massive wildfires in the past few years...high winds can stress electrical lines causing them to spark, especially when a utility line is downed...

so, Trump is right to some degree, this is a forest management issue...but it also must address issues exacerbated by changing meteorologic conditions that continue to heighten the risk of deadly wildfires...
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I don't think there is an easy fix. If there is such a thing as forestry experts which I assume there are I would like to know what they suggest.
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#118 Posted:
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Fuel load.....not complicated......

MANAGING GAME (again......controlling fuel loads)

REMOVE PERMITS ($) FOR FIREWOOD FOR FALLEN TIMBER......
(again fuel loads)

Just stop SUING over every APPROVED timber sale. (Fuel loads)

Change the law for settlements in Enviro law. Remove the monetary gain, make it a true altruistic endeavor for real needed change and not a money laundering operation by and for the left.

These measures cost nothing except the JOBS of those who care more about POLITICS than what’s actually in the public’s best interest at large.
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Don't shed hunt too early or you might get caught with a rigged antler.
Wildlife officials are deploying antler decoys to catch and deter antler poachers, according to a circulating Facebook post. In many western states, there are laws in place that prevent shed hunting before May 1.


Posted by Diamond Z Outdoors on Wednesday, February 21, 2018
What's the purpose of shed hunting regulations?

Well, the goal is to help minimize stress for animal herds.

What are your thoughts on states doing this?

Be sure to check your state's laws and dates for shed hunting regulations before hitting the hills.




This is what they’re concearned about........not real problems
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Z, I know nothing about forestry management. Are you talking about brush or larger trees or both when you say fuel load? And yes, I agree with you about harm being done by " environmentalists" The word has been co opted. To me Teddy Roosevelt was an environmentalist.
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Speyside wrote:
I don't think there is an easy fix. If there is such a thing as forestry experts which I assume there are I would like to know what they suggest.


They suggest taking government money and then just blaming global warming.

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I have a long family history in forestry, logging, trucking, mill work, BLM, USFS and both private and public firefighting.

The $ side didn’t do themselves any favors in the 80’s when many mill owners overdid clearcutting (which sometimes works and is necessary) to cash out before they paid for legal or sold out. That’s when the watermelons got really going, and when a lot of the old school guys who actually cared about balance got out of the industry.

Collaborative Governance & Admistrative Law. Big rabbit hole if you want to know what’s actually going on. Public universities are effecting policy through those means by controlling who is a “person with standing” and where and when meetings happen and who’s invited. The open public input isn’t so open.

This reason and public unions are why I hate the modern left. Hate. I mean that word......
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#123 Posted:
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Public Unions.
Two words that don't belong together.
Ever.

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#124 Posted:
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Yup
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#125 Posted:
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Ok, that's a good term, modern left. In that context I can understand your hate.
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#126 Posted:
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Half of my family are Democrats, and that’s a mix.

The other half are Christian conservatives.

Neither side like my opinions just like here.

My real hate is really focused locally for this state, the left has had a grip on this state for 30 years and haven’t been held to account. The Republicans in this state are controlled by 4 counties and are inept chamber of Commerce types. We USED to be a kooky purple liberty state which thrived, now not so much. Weird I don’t mind, stupid I do.
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#127 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Public Unions.
Two words that don't belong together.
Ever.




You and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of issues, but on this issue we agree. If I don't like how Amazon does business, I can choose not to use their services. If I don't like how my local government or police union operates, I can go f*ck myself. That's not liberty.
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#128 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
You and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of issues, but on this issue we agree. If I don't like how Amazon does business, I can choose not to use their services. If I don't like how my local government or police union operates, I can go f*ck myself. That's not liberty.


Conversations in person allow us to delve into many topics in a short time.
Internet forums tend to become a bit myopic.
You'd be surprised how close to "eye to eye" our opinions might be.

Hell, I went shooting guns with Frank and he didn't once aim at me.
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#129 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Conversations in person allow us to delve into many topics in a short time.
Internet forums tend to become a bit myopic.
You'd be surprised how close to "eye to eye" our opinions might be.

Hell, I went shooting guns with Frank and he didn't once aim at me.

that's what you think.
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#130 Posted:
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I don’t know about that tail, Whistlebritches thinks I’m an even bigger azzwhole in person.
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#131 Posted:
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but...I thought you were losing weight...
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#132 Posted:
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I understand the disgust with over-zealousness on all sides. Unfettered over-zealousness by private business and industries in our nation's past led to many economic and environmental disasters. If private industry cannot control their excesses and do damage, the average tax-payer foots the bill. We saw that with the financial/banking industry ten years ago.

There are hundreds of superfund sites that we and our kids and their kids will be paying for in perpetuity. The mining industry in the US was unregulated or lightly governed for a long time, leaving many actual sh*tholes that we all have to live with.

The key question is whether there is room for compromise: businesses should make a profit while producing goods and services we need and employ people in the process...the country's natural beauty should be protected so that all can benefit from it, and natural resources maintained so that future generations can enjoy healthful air and water quality... air and water are higher on the scale of necessities of life than money...

these goals are not mutually exclusive...
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#133 Posted:
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I think Oklahoma has cleaned up all of the abandoned well sites and stuff.. it was real heavy a few years back and I haven't heard anything about it recently.. they must be done.. Mellow
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frankj1 wrote:
that's what you think.


I wasn't worried.
You kept aiming too far left...


frankj1 Offline
#135 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I wasn't worried.
You kept aiming too far left...



funny as that is, it's true.
I loved the chart edin508 had that showed why the shooter was so bad. Apparently I missed high left because I was anticipating recoil or whatever it is called. Plus I may have been using the wrong eye.

But I learned what a great dancer you are.
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frankj1 wrote:
funny as that is, it's true.
I loved the chart edin508 had that showed why the shooter was so bad. Apparently I missed high left because I was anticipating recoil or whatever it is called. Plus I may have been using the wrong eye.

But I learned what a great dancer you are.

Up Periscope!!!....Think
frankj1 Offline
#137 Posted:
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third eye...blind
tailgater Offline
#138 Posted:
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There was no howitzer practice that day.

Although Ed did pose with Fuzz, so it wasn't completely un-gay.



frankj1 Offline
#139 Posted:
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I never did see that pic
tailgater Offline
#140 Posted:
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I sent it to your flip phone.

You have to convert it from the morse code.


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#141 Posted:
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first I'd have to convert from smoke signals
tailgater Offline
#142 Posted:
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You related to E. Warren?

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#143 Posted:
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How...?
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frankj1 wrote:
How...?


Howdy
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Hi ya Anth!
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