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Do missionaries help or harm?
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Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 9:08 AM EST
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Just putting this question out there. Personally, I think they are misguided in their work.
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 9:14 AM EST
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is that your position?
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 9:27 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
is that your position?

lol
Ewok126 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 9:30 AM EST
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Do missionaries help or harm?


Well, I think it all depends on how much she is into it.

Since now I am partially blind, If she helps guide me to the hole I would call that help. If not and I hit the wrong hole and she makes that high pitch dolphin sound I would say then its harmful for her vocal cords?

I guess that would be my position.
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 9:30 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
lol

I'll bet 50 guys thought of that...
ZRX1200 Online
#6 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 9:44 AM EST
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They help.

That tribe didn’t have to hunt or fish for 2 days.
csgamecock Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 10:03 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They help.

That tribe didn’t have to hunt or fish for 2 days.



d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
tailgater Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 10:20 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
is that your position?


Coffee-spitting funny!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 10:57 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Just putting this question out there. Personally, I think they are misguided in their work.

you feel all the clean water and food they provide to hurting people is misguided? like they should just let them die? maybe you have an idea of what a missionary is that is just horribly innaccurate? I sure hope so, otherwise youre a monster...
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 11:00 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Just putting this question out there. Personally, I think they are misguided in their work.


I not convinced, there are a lot of mormons and evangelicals with a lot of children, their guidance seams to be on target. Beer
Buckwheat Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 12:22 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
you feel all the clean water and food they provide to hurting people is misguided? like they should just let them die? maybe you have an idea of what a missionary is that is just horribly innaccurate? I sure hope so, otherwise youre a monster...


They're not welcome and these people have been living there for centuries without outside help, clean water, food and Jesus.

"No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast." fog
opelmanta1900 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 12:29 PM EST
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If you're speaking specifically about the missionary who tried to go to the island of inbreds that's quickly dwindling in population and will likely be extinct within our lifetime, then say so...

What you did was paint all missionaries and the work they did as misguided... If you're not ignorant, then you're a monster... But you're likely just ignorant...
dstieger Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 1:50 PM EST
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There's been good work by some missionaries, no question. But even the 'best' go with an agenda, the value of which (to those getting missioned) is certainly debatable, even by the non-monstrous.
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 1:59 PM EST
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Opel, why direct anger towards a mild question? There are a whole lot of missionaries that do an awful lot of good. To improve indigenous peoples lives is a worthy cause. To share your belief system with indiginous people is noble. Same goes for third world countries where people live in squalor. Even though my belief system is far different than any missionaries is I do very much respect the work they do.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 2:17 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
There's been good work by some missionaries, no question. But even the 'best' go with an agenda, the value of which (to those getting missioned) is certainly debatable, even by the non-monstrous.

Agreed...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 2:20 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Opel, why direct anger towards a mild question? There are a whole lot of missionaries that do an awful lot of good. To improve indigenous peoples lives is a worthy cause. To share your belief system with indiginous people is noble. Same goes for third world countries where people live in squalor. Even though my belief system is far different than any missionaries is I do very much respect the work they do.

"Personally, I think they are misguided in their work" is not a question...
Buckwheat Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 2:56 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
"Personally, I think they are misguided in their work" is not a question...


The question, if you paid attention, was in the title of the thread.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 3:01 PM EST
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Paid attention, wasn't addressing it... I was addressing your personal attack on the work of all missionaries ever... in case you weren't paying attention...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 3:20 PM EST
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Honestly, if we talked about specific instances and people, I think we would agree about 99% of the time...

The guy who went to inbred island in the name of Jesus and got to meet up with him as a result, 0% of me feels bad for him... But about 1% of me feels like if he really wanted to do it and felt led to do it, he should be allowed to do it... I'm not gonna sponsor him but I'm not enforcing the blockade...

That same 1% of me feels like the inbreds should totally be allowed to arrow-up any visitors to their freak show island... Adds to the thrill of the visit...

The problem, or rather my problem, is when you lump that guy and his work in with people like my cousin Mark... Mark had a drug problem, went to jail, found Jesus... When he got out He didn't want to get sucked back into old ways and didn't trust himself with money... He moved to cambodia part time to help run an orphanage...

He now lives there full time with his wife and kids... Does he share his faith in Jesus? You bet... But do you have to be a Christian or accept his faith to play on the kids soccer team he started and funds? Definitely not... Do you have to be a fellow believer to have the only giant white guy in town pull your truck out of the mud? For sure not...

He does those things from a sincere place of love for the people around him... The same reason he shares his faith... If he really believed what he does and didn't share his faith, he'd be a d*ck...
Gene363 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 4:05 PM EST
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What about contacting remote groups that some scientist do not want contacted so they can study the stone age cultures? Maybe they would like to visit a store, not dies of infections and enjoy some modern conveniences?
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 4:20 PM EST
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We could drop a couple hundred thousand meerkats on that island... Mellow
JadeRose Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 7:06 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They help.

That tribe didn’t have to hunt or fish for 2 days.




Ok...this made me laugh





Laugh Laugh LOL LOL Laugh Laugh
Abrignac Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 7:30 PM EST
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My mother has always said that one’s rights end where another begins. The missionary went to an island to “share” the word. Instead he was killed. It’s well documented that the inhabitants are hostile to outsiders. It’s also well know that exposing them to germs they have never encountered could wipe them out so outside visitation is prohibited. It cost him his life.

Moral of the story.....don’t try to save what doesn’t want to be saved. And certainly don’t attempt to force one’s beliefs on another.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 7:34 PM EST
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I thought the moral was don't vacation at inbred island...
bgz Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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The problem with missionaries is that the primary goal of doing missions is to gain followers. More followers = more tithing.

Churches generally do good deeds such as opening their arms for immigrants, helping the poor, etc... is the hopes of gaining conversions. Even if the people they help convert, they want to be seen as doing God's work to hopefully gain more conversions that way.

The more they convert, the more money the church obtains.

Take away the religion, does the generosity persist for the sole sake of generosity?

I imagine it would for many of the followers, but I have my doubts about the higher ups.

That's my take... that and missionaries are annoying AF... making me get out of my recliner to answer the door, wtf is up with that? They're just as bad as the magazine salesmen.
tonygraz Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
MThe missionary went to an island to “share” the word. Instead he was killed. It’s well documented that the inhabitants are hostile to outsiders. It’s also well know that exposing them to germs they have never encountered could wipe them out so outside visitation is prohibited. It cost him his life. y mother has always said that one’s rights end where another begins.

Moral of the story.....don’t try to save what doesn’t want to be saved. And certainly don’t attempt to force one’s beliefs on another.


Tell it to the witnesses !
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 10:29 AM EST
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Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life...

Whistle
Buckwheat Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
My mother has always said that one’s rights end where another begins. The missionary went to an island to “share” the word. Instead he was killed. It’s well documented that the inhabitants are hostile to outsiders. It’s also well know that exposing them to germs they have never encountered could wipe them out so outside visitation is prohibited. It cost him his life.

Moral of the story.....don’t try to save what doesn’t want to be saved. And certainly don’t attempt to force one’s beliefs on another.


+1 Applause
opelmanta1900 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 2:32 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life...

Whistle

I think Drafter just came out...
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 2:51 PM EST
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No.. I don't really go to church.. unless I have to.. Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 2:56 PM EST
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What do you think that song's about?
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 3:15 PM EST
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Going to church... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 3:25 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
No.. I don't really go to church.. unless I have to.. Mellow

Then, you're the perfect customer! The missionaries can bring the church to you
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 3:36 PM EST
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No thank you... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 3:54 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
What do you think that song's about?


Why do people always ask that?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 4:27 PM EST
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They're trying to figure out which team you play for...
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