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'Baby, It's Cold Outside,' Seen As Sexist
dstieger Offline
#101 Posted:
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Could have been....I could see Foxworthy making fun of snowflakes.....If you wear a puzsy hat while driving your Subaru with a rainbow sticker, you MIGHT be a liberal....
MACS Offline
#102 Posted:
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Wow. Victor really IS triggered. He can't make up his mind if he wants to be outraged that I said I was going to download a song (and while you're at it, you should really look up facetious) or that I didn't actually do it.

Just pick one, bruh. Pick both if it makes you happy.

Just ignore the fact you injected your thoughts as my own... gloss over that fact, and be outraged for something else.

NFG
victor809 Offline
#103 Posted:
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... facetious:
/fəˈsēSHəs/ adjective Describes a claim made on the internet in order to appear edgy which the claimant has no intention of following through on. See also: Pretending to be edgy by using acronyms like NFG.

Huh.... Guess you were right, it is facetious.

As for injecting my thoughts as your own... Well, I had to give you something worthwhile to work with.
You were unfamiliar with the song? Sure. I believe that. A song which has been played every damn year this time of year since the creation of time (see, that's actual "facetious") and you were completely unfamiliar with it? I call bs. You have heard it before this year. You heard it and didn't care enough about it to purchase it (I don't blame you, there's nothing great about that song). However this year because of some dumb controversy, you state you are going to purchase it and play it for people. (Yes, I know you are claiming this was just a joke. But 1) it's a really dumb joke... There's literally no punchline... 2) that's it.. I don't need a #2. If that was supposed to be a joke there is nothing funny about it... Or edgy... It's just "hey, there's something that I heard someone doesn't like. I'm going to buy it and expose it to anyone who doesn't like it". That's not facetious... That's just being dumb, if that was the extent of your "joke". )

Bottom line. I didn't inject my thoughts into anything. I probably should have... Maybe if you send me your posts first I can edit them and give them some thoughts?
MACS Offline
#104 Posted:
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^And now, along with inventing your own interpretations of what I SAY, you get to create my facts for me, too? And invent new definitions?

I was not familiar with the song. As in, I never heard it. I have a friend who has never seen The Godfather... you gonna call him a liar, too?

Ahhh, nevermind. NFG
DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted:
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I've heard the song but never listened to it... I thought it was about the weather.. Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#106 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
^And now, along with inventing your own interpretations of what I SAY, you get to create my facts for me, too? And invent new definitions?

I was not familiar with the song. As in, I never heard it. I have a friend who has never seen The Godfather... you gonna call him a liar, too?

Ahhh, nevermind. NFG


I've never seen StarWars...Not talking ,,,,does that make me a bad person?Anxious
victor809 Offline
#107 Posted:
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MACS... I'm not creating your facts. I'm playing the odds.

That song has been sung by 18 different artists. It's been in at least 2 movies in the soundtrack, probably countless more as background music. It's been in a huge number of those terrible Holiday albums.

I think the odds are extraordinarily slim that you made it through 49 years of life without having heard it once. It's on in the background in malls or big box stores when you Christmas shop.

When you say you never heard it before, you mean you never noticed that you heard it. .... And no... This isn't the same as managing to not watch a 2.5hr movie. Music is inflicted upon us everywhere in our lives... Elevators (less so these days), malls, cars, coworkers, streets.... To say you never had this very popular song inflicted upon you once in your entire life is so unlikely that I'm willing to call BS.

I will believe, however, that you never cared enough for it to notice it. There's no reason to, it's reasonably unremarkable. Which is why I stated that your desire to purchase it and play it for others to piss them off is dumb.
RMAN4443 Offline
#108 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
MACS... I'm not creating your facts. I'm playing the odds.

That song has been sung by 18 different artists. It's been in at least 2 movies in the soundtrack, probably countless more as background music. It's been in a huge number of those terrible Holiday albums.

I think the odds are extraordinarily slim that you made it through 49 years of life without having heard it once. It's on in the background in malls or big box stores when you Christmas shop.

When you say you never heard it before, you mean you never noticed that you heard it. .... And no... This isn't the same as managing to not watch a 2.5hr movie. Music is inflicted upon us everywhere in our lives... Elevators (less so these days), malls, cars, coworkers, streets.... To say you never had this very popular song inflicted upon you once in your entire life is so unlikely that I'm willing to call BS.

I will believe, however, that you never cared enough for it to notice it. There's no reason to, it's reasonably unremarkable. Which is why I stated that your desire to purchase it and play it for others to piss them off is dumb.


victor809 wrote:


What is mother f-cking retarded is that anyone would change their personal behavior because they're in some way upset that people are bothered by it.

Seriously. If you've listened to this song more than you would normally, just because someone else in the world is bothered by it, you're a f-king idiot. You've changed your behavior, done something you have no real desire to do, simply to piss off a group of people who will know you did that to yourself.

I swear, the stupidity...



didn't you change your "personal behavior" to go out and do the research to know--That song has been sung by 18 different artists. It's been in at least 2 movies in the soundtrack, probably countless more as background music. It's been in a huge number of those terrible Holiday albums.

I think you did.....Shame on you Not talking Think
victor809 Offline
#109 Posted:
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... if you think researching something before making a statement about it is "changing my personal behavior" then you really don't pay attention to what I write normally.

This isn't hard to understand.

We argue on this site all the time. None of this is really a change in our behavior. If we weren't arguing about this we would likely be arguing about something else some other idiot posted (looking at rman....)

A change in behavior implies you are doing something you would not have normally done, because you don't really enjoy it. Let's say for instance that you don't particularly like Justin Bieber... (I know, you're president of his fan club... We're just working on a hypothetical right now). Your wife however, expresses to you that she hates his music. If you choose to play Justin Bieber songs in the house to piss her off during a fight, you're changing your behavior. You don't want to listen to him... But you figure it will irritate her more than you, so you do it. That's dumb. But that's what I see here when someone claims they're going to listen to a song they never cared about before, just because it pisses off some group they don't even interact with.

As I said in my first post... It's dumb all around.
RMAN4443 Offline
#110 Posted:
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If I was President of The Beib's Fan Club, I'd probably listen to his tunes because I LOVE THEM,wouldn't I?? If I was trying to piss my wife off, I'd turn the volume up to 11, so her bones would rattle at the sound of his ever enchanting voice..
This argument is moot at the moment, as YOU are the current President of Vickie's Bent Over for the Beibs Fan Club, and you would kick and scream to maintain your,(er, for lack of a better word) Position....
So, if I understand what your saying, you always research things to piss other people off and you enjoy it???? THAT seems kinda dumb to me....you should try to get out more...butt, whatever blows your dress up
victor809 Offline
#111 Posted:
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Sentence structure and reading comprehension are important rman.

But yes. It is common for me to look something up before making a statement. The idea that you think it's "dumb" to check to see if you're correct before saying something maybe says more about you than?

I believed that the song has been very popular and reasonably ubiquitous over the past 50 years. However there's always a chance that it would only be within my circle of society that it is ubiquitous. To verify that it was in fact popular, I did a little research.

I frequently do this to see whether or not I am responding from a solo and don't have all the information. The fact that you think doing something like that is dumb explains so much about you.
victor809 Offline
#112 Posted:
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Solo= silo

I still find it stunning that someone would have the platform that gaining information sounds dumb.

But I suppose it explains our world.
JadeRose Offline
#113 Posted:
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This is exactly the kinda $hit that got us a dumbass like Stump in the White House.
MACS Offline
#114 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... We argue on this site all the time...


Actually, when you're not here we don't. In fact, since you've returned from your vacation, or whatever, the arguments have started again. You, sir, are the common denominator in the majority of arguments on the boards.

Speyside has expressed, in this very thread, that he has missed your "entertainment".

Speyside wrote:
That's the entertainment I have missed.

victor809 Offline
#115 Posted:
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Sigh.
We only argue because you are unable to say anything that isn't dumb.

I said "we". I made no reference to whether arguments occur without my presence. If I wanted to imply that arguments occur without me I would have used the word "you" or more specifically stated "posters".

Your change of topic clearly shows that you realized I was correct about my previous posts of course.
victor809 Offline
#116 Posted:
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Interestingly, now that you mentioned it. A lot of the people who used to argue with the predominantly right wing nut jobs here have left.

Been years since I've seen some of the names.

I suppose they got tired.
MACS Offline
#117 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Sigh.
We only argue because you are unable to say anything that isn't dumb.

I said "we". I made no reference to whether arguments occur without my presence. If I wanted to imply that arguments occur without me I would have used the word "you" or more specifically stated "posters".

Your change of topic clearly shows that you realized I was correct about my previous posts of course.


Untrue... I just moved on, knowing that you'd just continue to bloviate about your perceptions instead of what is actually said or implied.

We still have plenty of left-leaning folks here. Most of them are capable of civil discourse as opposed to arguing with everyone about everything.

But hey... you keep doing you. It entertains Speyside, anyway.
RMAN4443 Offline
#118 Posted:
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I knows about da sentence struktures and whatknot...

the gall durn cbid makes my durn parry graff dents and empty holes betwixt the dam parry graffs disappear....

I types em in, and preevew it before I makes it go into Mr. Goreseses interwebs, it looks gud an den I puts my finger on the enter butt on an push it an "POOF"...there it is wit all my parry graff dents and holes atwixt dem dam parry graffs iz gon....

I wish I knoo sum one wit the smartz you haz, an whutknot to hep learn me betterer than I been lernt my whole lifeThumpUp
Whistlebritches Offline
#119 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Interestingly, now that you mentioned it. A lot of the people who used to argue with the predominantly right wing nut jobs here have left.

Been years since I've seen some of the names.

I suppose they got tired.


Let's cut to the chase Vic........BLOW ME!!!
victor809 Offline
#120 Posted:
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Rman.... I wasn't referring to your paragraph structure. I was referring to your clear misunderstanding of what I had written.

I suppose if you misunderstood my initial statement, it should only be expected that you would misunderstand my reference to your misunderstanding.
victor809 Offline
#121 Posted:
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MACS I'll take that as a "you were right Victor"... (Yes, that actually was me "injecting" my own thoughts as your own... If I don't you're at risk of listening to bad Christmas music, buying Starbucks and requesting holiday mugs and whatever other weird things people do these days to "own the libs". I'm helpful... Like santa or Jesus... But... Real)

Yes... There are people who are more tolerant than I am. I've said it before, I am no longer equipped with the patience to be tolerant and civil. I've had this discussion on here with others before. I started on this forum as a tolerant, civil person. I wrote long, well referenced arguments. Guess what that got me?

I don't do that any longer. If all I'm going to get for my efforts is "Vic... Blow me" then I'm not putting any effort in being diplomatic. I'm going to call dumb actions dumb. When someone is going to claim they've never heard an almost ubiquitous song, I'm going to call BS. When someone literally posts that they are going to go out of their way to try to make some unknown person's life worse, even an minisucule bit, for no reason other than they disagree with that person on their being bothered by a Christmas song... I'm going to call them an azzhole.
MACS Offline
#122 Posted:
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Well alrighty then...

I'll take that as, "MACS... I'm just an as-hole. I tried not being an as-hole, but that was no fun. So I've spent the better part of my afternoon telling people how dumb they are for doing something which they had no intention of doing, and no desire to do, simply because they think it will piss someone off... or win them an argument on the internet."

It's weird that you say you've run out of patience for being tolerant and civil... since that's what the original post was about... people tired of the f--king nonsense.

There's that irony... it's like deja-vu all over again! Herfing
MACS Offline
#123 Posted:
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So much winning...
frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted:
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I like the song. Despite being a Winter theme, I just never connected it to Christmas.
And certainly not date rape.

Very weird.
MACS Offline
#125 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I like the song. Despite being a Winter theme, I just never connected it to Christmas.
And certainly not date rape.

But I'm reasonable... and sane.


True, true...
RMAN4443 Offline
#126 Posted:
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^^^ in a reasonably insane sorta way...Anxious
frankj1 Offline
#127 Posted:
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and you've both met me!
Ewok126 Offline
#128 Posted:
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I listened to the song, even watched the video. I liked the song, I was disappointed in the the video though.




I was hoping by the end of the vid we would get a shot or 3 of her bent over taking it like a champ but Oh well.
dstieger Offline
#129 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I like the song. Despite being a Winter theme, I just never connected it to Christmas.
And certainly not date rape.

Very weird.

I like it, too. Its 'memorable factor' was catapulted if you've seen Elf (don't tell me you don't remember Zooey Deschanel in the shower), and even by the commercial last couple years with Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga (I think) which was well done...enjoyable, even
delta1 Offline
#130 Posted:
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Key and Peele's take from a few years ago may have sparked the current controversy...

but growing up, when the song was in its heyday, guys expected girls to say "no " while maybe meaning "yes" and going until "no " means "no", wherever that was, usually when the resistance was more than token and the "big girl" voice said "no"...seems that is now considered sexual assault...


our culture is changing...twenty years ago a girl on girl kiss on the silver screen was considered shocking...nowadays, girls kissing girls and guys kissing guys seem to be everywhere...


live and let live...
delta1 Offline
#131 Posted:
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just thinking out loud...why are the cons so outraged when some on the left say that something the cons like is inappropriate, and publicly say so...when the cons have a history of trying to squelch stuff they don't like...

thinking back to Drafter's question about rap...I remember the controversy about cop-killing lyrics, sung by blacks in the hood in the 80's...it became a subject of discussion on campus at LBCC when rap was played in the student center and during a concert in the quad...cons wanted to prohibit it...

yet ,10 years earlier, when a white artist covered a song by a black man, about killing a lawman, it became a number one hit...

not irony...

hypocrisy
victor809 Offline
#132 Posted:
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I actually have no problem with the song itself (as some may note I said this was dumb on all sides) because one has to look at it within historical context.

Date rape didn't exist as a law back when this was written. Hell... A number of things we consider violence against women, weren't illegal. One could say, in the context of "he's already got her in his house and hasn't simply raped her but is instead giving her excuses to stay" it's downright gentlemanly.

Additionally, contextually speaking, rape laws allowed a woman's reputation/sexual history etc be considered when determining if a man was guilty. ie... If she put out for Jack, shes a slut and Harry couldn't possibly have raped her. In that context, there's more incentive for the facade of "oh no, I really shouldn't stay" and the dumb dance the lyrics are suggesting makes much more sense.

I don't think it's a particularly good song. But in it's historical context, it isn't nearly as bad as it sounds in our current era.

...but that doesn't justify being an azzhole forno reason other than you've found a group that's sensitive about something you don't care about.

Kind of reminds me of Bloodsport... He wanted to kick everyone's sacred calf... Any time there was something he thought people shouldn't be bothered by, he was right there trying to be extra edgy about it.
RMAN4443 Offline
#133 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
just thinking out loud...why are the cons so outraged when some on the left say that something the cons like is inappropriate, and publicly say so...when the cons have a history of trying to squelch stuff they don't like...

thinking back to Drafter's question about rap...I remember the controversy about cop-killing lyrics, sung by blacks in the hood in the 80's...it became a subject of discussion on campus at LBCC when rap was played in the student center and during a concert in the quad...cons wanted to prohibit it...

yet ,10 years earlier, when a white artist covered a song by a black man, about killing a lawman, it became a number one hit...

not irony...

hypocrisy

If I remember correctly George HW Bush, Charlton Heston and Tipper Gore were pretty outraged over the Ice-T ditty COP KILLER...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Killer_(song)

Think

Oh, and if your referring to I Shot the Sheriff, it was written and first performed by Bob Marley...a well known BLACK man
DrafterX Offline
#134 Posted:
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Ya Mon.... Mellow
Phil222 Offline
#135 Posted:
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Unless the gov is stepping in, not really interested in this song business. I would rather just make up Foxworthy jokes about liberals and conservatives.

If the extent of your knowledge about climate change consists of rolling your window down after you fart in the car, you MIGHT be a conservative...
delta1 Offline
#136 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
If I remember correctly George HW Bush, Charlton Heston and Tipper Gore were pretty outraged over the Ice-T ditty COP KILLER...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Killer_(song)

Think

Oh, and if your referring to I Shot the Sheriff, it was written and first performed by Bob Marley...a well known BLACK man


you've made my point, RMAN...GHWB and Heston were stalwarts among cons...

and even tho Marley wrote the song the year before Clapton covered it, it didn't even register on the chart, he got very little attention among the mainstream status quo in the US... except for the hippies and drug-counter culture on college campuses, Marley was unknown here until he died...

Clapton's version hit number one and became his signature song...embraced by the mainstream and status quo...where was Heston and GHWB screaming outrage about a song that bragged about shooting the sheriff?

O'Reilly railed about Happy Holidays and turned it into a culture war, essentially stopping people from using that holiday greeting...

the con church wanted to outlaw Darwin's theory of evolution and insisted on the Biblical version of the origin of man be taught in public schools...

ad infinitum...

yet let the libs say, "stop_________" about something that is currently out of fashion and the right goes bonkers about individual rights...

MACS Offline
#137 Posted:
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Not a fan of gangsta rap. Absolutely not a fan of songs advocating violence against cops.

I choose not to listen to that type of music. I am not insisting that anyone else not do it, or radio stations not play it.

See the difference, Al?
Speyside Offline
#138 Posted:
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So the more I think about this the more of a meh it becomes. Some looney lefties interpret a song as date rape. Some radio stations ban the song. I don't like this for my above stated reasons. But so what, it has no effect on me, nor is it government sanctioned.
delta1 Offline
#139 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Not a fan of gangsta rap. Absolutely not a fan of songs advocating violence against cops.

I choose not to listen to that type of music. I am not insisting that anyone else not do it, or radio stations not play it.

See the difference, Al?


I do, Shawn...I do appreciate the civility and compassion that I see in all the cons among my family and friends...when we are together I see the commonalities, not the differences...

Here in a political forum, there are extreme positions being taken, almost as if we're all in a tough man win at all costs, never back down competition...

given the limitations of the keyboard, nuance is very difficult to communicate...
DrafterX Offline
#140 Posted:
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Oh Ya..!! Mad
Ewok126 Offline
#141 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I do, Shawn...I do appreciate the civility and compassion that I see in all the cons among my family and friends...when we are together I see the commonalities, not the differences...

Here in a political forum, there are extreme positions being taken, almost as if we're all in a tough man win at all costs, never back down competition...

given the limitations of the keyboard, nuance is very difficult to communicate...




You just covered the whole idea behind why politics and religion was made. Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#142 Posted:
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A California radio station has reversed its decision to stop playing “Baby It's Cold Outside” over controversial lyrics in the age of the #MeToo movement after the overwhelming majority of listeners said they opposed the ban.


KOIT radio station Program Director Brian Figula said in a statement on Monday that the reversal came after hearing out thousands of listeners and concluding “that the vast majority consider the song to be a valuable part of their holiday tradition, and they still want to hear it on the radio.”

Film at 11... Think
tailgater Offline
#143 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... Don't you have some "oh poor put upon me! I just can't do anything I want to do in this world any longer" whining to do?


Pure awesome.
You've been whining like a rugby hate crime victim throughout this post, then you try to deflect your pathetic disposition onto me?

You gotta try harder than that, skippy.


tailgater Offline
#144 Posted:
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Cliff Clavin wrote:


I still find it stunning that someone would have the platform that gaining information sounds dumb.

But I suppose it explains our world.


tailgater Offline
#145 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
just thinking out loud...why are the cons so outraged when some on the left say that something the cons like is inappropriate, and publicly say so...when the cons have a history of trying to squelch stuff they don't like...

thinking back to Drafter's question about rap...I remember the controversy about cop-killing lyrics, sung by blacks in the hood in the 80's...it became a subject of discussion on campus at LBCC when rap was played in the student center and during a concert in the quad...cons wanted to prohibit it...

yet ,10 years earlier, when a white artist covered a song by a black man, about killing a lawman, it became a number one hit...

not irony...

hypocrisy


Race bait 101.


Just stop it.

Baby it's Cold Outside is not intended to be a date rape song.
99.98% of rap music from da Hood was intended to glorify cop killing.
And Clapton didn't tell anyone else to shoot that sheriff. He was pleading guilty.
It's the unknown killer of that deputy that has me wondering.

MACS Offline
#146 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:


Cliff Clavin... I'm sorry Frank, but I did lol.
frankj1 Offline
#147 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Cliff Clavin... I'm sorry Frank, but I did lol.

literally...me too!
this is why I hate Joe.
victor809 Offline
#148 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Pure awesome.
You've been whining like a rugby hate crime victim throughout this post, then you try to deflect your pathetic disposition onto me?

You gotta try harder than that, skippy.




Where did I whine at all? Are we now classifying calling someone dumb as "whining" Or saying someone's actions are those of an azzhole is "whining" Because I fully expect you to apply those same criteria to everyone else then.

Who am I kidding... no I don't.
I expect you to whine that you're just not allowed to make a snowman any longer, because some imaginary person is going to tell you to stop.

... spoiler alert.... no one's going to tell you to stop. Because you're whining about something which isn't happening yet.

Seriously... grow a pair and make your damn snowman.
victor809 Offline
#149 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Not a fan of gangsta rap. Absolutely not a fan of songs advocating violence against cops.

I choose not to listen to that type of music. I am not insisting that anyone else not do it, or radio stations not play it.

See the difference, Al?


Now... what would you call someone who knew you weren't a fan of that type of song, didn't even particularly like it themselves, yet intentionally played it whenever they were around you?

victor809 Offline
#150 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:


Wow... "cliff clavin" eh?

I'm not surprised you're default reaction is to mock the idea of gaining knowledge.

Perhaps if that wasn't your first inclination, you'd be wrong less often.

seriously. We're all over 14. The time of trying to turn learning, research, and/or knowledge into attempts at insults is long gone. Grow up at bit and go make your damn snowman.
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