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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Dec 16 2018, 9:09 PM EST
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Seems the FBI 302’s regarding Flynn are telling an unflattering tale of the way his case was handled by Comey and the FBI.
Burner02 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Dec 17 2018, 7:02 AM EST
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More evidence of the politicalization of the upper level of the FBI in the past couple of years.
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Dec 17 2018, 9:09 AM EST
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Never E.V.E.R. TRUST ANYTHING THE FBI SAYS OR DOES...
they specialize in paying off RATS or forcing you into perjury charges to turn you into a RAT OR DOWNRIGHT PLANTING ILLEGAL EVIDENCE AND FRAMING ANYBODY THEY WANT TO.

ESPECIALLY SINCE 9-11-2001,
That's when the SSG DIVISION WAS LET LOOSE WITH CARTE BLANCHE MURDER INNOCENT U.S. CITIZEN POWERS AND SPY ON ANY & ALL U.S. CITIZEN'S WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS TO THE AGENTS INVOLVED.

I HAVE LEARNED THE ABOVE FOR 5++ YEARS IN SPADES
and
So has Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, & Jerome Corsi.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Dec 17 2018, 9:42 AM EST
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Did they release them? He’s been hiding them for 2 years if they weren’t destroyed
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Dec 17 2018, 10:04 AM EST
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I sure there are plenty of good individual FBI agents, however the FBI was established and run by J. Edgar Hoover, "mob boss" in his own right.
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Dec 18 2018, 3:17 PM EST
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Flynn's attorney in court today, when the judge asked him if he was entrapped by the FBI, "No, your Honor."

The judge told Flynn, "I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense...this crime is very serious...undermines everything this flag over there stands for...you sold your country out..."

guess it's OK to lie to the public, and have some supporters believe/excuse the lies...but it's much harder to lie under oath, in court...


he is quite a hero, to be held in higher regard than the FBI, fo sho...right?

He's a flipper...why doesn't Trump call him a "RAT" too?
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#7 Posted: Tue, Dec 18 2018, 6:29 PM EST
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it's weird to see lifelong registered republicans and the FBI attacked as though they aren't 98.2% conservatives.
Perhaps they aren't rooting for the results they would prefer to discover..
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 12:47 PM EST
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I heard something yesterday that kinda puts all this in perspective, and seems to make sense...

theory is that Trump and his closest advisers are counting on the DOJ mandate/opinion that a sitting President can not be indicted for a crime. So they have concluded that there is no real criminal threat to Trump...the only real threat is political - impeachment. In the political world, Trump's lies and obstruction has not caused him any harm, so far, with his base. As a matter of fact, his base seems to have gotten more locked in as all the trouble swirls around Trump, despite all his underlings pleading guilty and cooperating with all the investigations into Trump's misdeeds....

although Trump seems to think impeachment is possible, he KNOWS the Senate will not convict him, if he does get impeached, no biggie...the likelihood of impeachment is reduced, because his term will be far into his third year before articles can be prepared, and the will of the House may be to let the investigations continue, do some of their own, then let the people vote him out in 2020....

...Trump, though, believes he can win a second term, so the statutes of limitations will prevent his being prosecuted after he leaves office...so be prepared for the continuation of the Trumpian attacks on the investigators and the minimizing of his behavior as spitting on the sidewalk ...
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#9 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 12:52 PM EST
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Whether or not trump is re-elected has nothing to do with trump... I believe the overwhelmingly vast majority of Americans didn't want trump or hill dog as their President... If the dnc rigs the nomination for a middle of the road candidate, that candidate will win... If they rig it in favor of an Ocasio-Cortez, 4 more years...
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 1:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I heard something yesterday that kinda puts all this in perspective, and seems to make sense...

theory is that Trump and his closest advisers are counting on the DOJ mandate/opinion that a sitting President can not be indicted for a crime. So they have concluded that there is no real criminal threat to Trump...the only real threat is political - impeachment. In the political world, Trump's lies and obstruction has not caused him any harm, so far, with his base. As a matter of fact, his base seems to have gotten more locked in as all the trouble swirls around Trump, despite all his underlings pleading guilty and cooperating with all the investigations into Trump's misdeeds....

although Trump seems to think impeachment is possible, he KNOWS the Senate will not convict him, if he does get impeached, no biggie...the likelihood of impeachment is reduced, because his term will be far into his third year before articles can be prepared, and the will of the House may be to let the investigations continue, do some of their own, then let the people vote him out in 2020....

...Trump, though, believes he can win a second term, so the statutes of limitations will prevent his being prosecuted after he leaves office...so be prepared for the continuation of the Trumpian attacks on the investigators and the minimizing of his behavior as spitting on the sidewalk ...


Heard from who?

I really think I'd tune out a source that seems to suggest that Trump has a plan to stay president another six years in order to outrun statutes of limitations

Do you really think that personal fears about possible criminal conviction of something (which isn't even specified above) are affecting Trump's actions and plans?
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 1:27 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Heard from who?

I really think I'd tune out a source that seems to suggest that Trump has a plan to stay president another six years in order to outrun statutes of limitations

Do you really think that personal fears about possible criminal conviction of something (which isn't even specified above) are affecting Trump's actions and plans?



six years will not outrun statute of limitations if a sealed indictment is filed.

for the first time I'm thinking Trump may be in trouble. I'd prefer he serve his term and go away however. We don't need the stink.

As for flynn. ... I don't know about the OP. I heard the same on Fox's entertainment hours but not on their serious news or any other credible outlet. And it looks like the Judge doesn't buy that argument.

It is sad to watch my party switch from the law and order and decency party to blind support of things that don't jive with our purported values and beliefs.
Abrignac Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 1:49 PM EST
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Let me see if I understand this. Trump and others who are alleged to have broken laws came up with a solution then notified the press? I’m convinced.

😂😂😂
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#13 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:05 PM EST
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If Trump is the perpetrator of any felonious activity, then I expect sealed indictments will be in place and at the appropriate time he will be indicted. If on the other hand he has not been the perpetrator of any felonious activity he will not be indicted. This is as it should be. As far as I am concerned he is innocent of any wrong doing. I still believe in innocent until proven guilty. I truely hope he finishes out his term, or terms and we learn that he is innocent. Our country doesn't need the upheaval that his potential guilt would cause.
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#14 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:08 PM EST
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Agreed. And (not directed to Spey) innocent until proven guilty does not mean don't investigate unless you've already proven it. That's been an interesting spin all along especially from folks a couple years ago that couldn't find an investigation they didn't like.

This my team or your team crap has to stop.

And can we call a moratorium on lock him/her up, lock him/her up. That should have been smacked down immediately by anyone with integrity and anyone who wants to be taken seriously.
Abrignac Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:15 PM EST
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In my opinion one of the absolute worst institutions we have today in America is the press.

Before anyone gets their feelings hurt, think about it for a minute. Is it constant partisanship that has become called news a net positive? Have people like Rush Limbaugh, Wolff Blitzer, Sean Hannity, Rachael Maddox etc with there relentless attacks on political opponents really contributed to the greater good?

The advent of the 24 hour news programs has poisoned objective news reporting. Now network companies like ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox have to produce about 14 hours of content per 24. Since there is barely 30 minutes of reall news in an average that means they have to fill the other 13.5 hours of content with talking heads. To gain viewership they have to constantly one up each other. One way of doing so is to cast extremists as both hosts and guest in order to be the loudest in the room.

All sorts of nonsense based on anonymous sources is broadcast as truth when many times is made up because that’s what’s palatable to the target demographic.

God help us.
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:26 PM EST
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The bigger issue to me is the blurred line between journalists and entertainers. The news entertainers to me are more of an issue than the press.

But the guy that seems to get support in here no matter what is a cancer and time will judge this time period harshly....
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:33 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:


for the first time I'm thinking Trump may be in trouble. I'd prefer he serve his term and go away however. We don't need the stink.
.



You are in a very tiny minority with this.
Half the country refuses to accept there is any trouble.
The other half had him convicted with the Russian Dossier and every media misdirection du jour since.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:35 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You are in a very tiny minority with this.
Half the country refuses to accept there is any trouble.
The other half had him convicted with the Russian Dossier and every media misdirection du jour since.






I might be tiny but I'm not a minority yet.
ZRX1200 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:38 PM EST
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Didn’t Bloody call you his knee grow?
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:40 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Didn’t Bloody call you his knee grow?



True true.... I forgot about that since he wasn't wearing pants. That bothered me more.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The bigger issue to me is the blurred line between journalists and entertainers. The news entertainers to me are more of an issue than the press.

But the guy that seems to get support in here no matter what is a cancer and time will judge this time period harshly....



The news entertainers cater to a partisan audience. There is no danger in telling joe redneck that Trump is great, or telling snowflake sammy that Trump is evil. Their opinions were formed already.

The danger is in the subtle influence employed by so-called "news" sources.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 2:52 PM EST
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Infomercials have influenced and fooled people for years. The news entertainment business is similar in my mind regardless of network. Jim Baker is still going at it
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 7:54 PM EST
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^ true
delta1 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 8:06 PM EST
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Trump has never had the support of a full half of the people...

more than half of the people have not approved of him as President...

these numbers seem to be reflected in the popular vote during the Presidential election of 2016, where Trump's electoral college victory was juxtaposed to his deficit of nearly 3 million actual votes

many items in the dossier have been proven accurate...
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 8:13 PM EST
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Yes. Because California should decide a national election....
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 8:28 PM EST
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cons didn't seem to have any issues with news entertainers when Obama was President...he was blasted daily by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage, Ingraham, Elder, et al...conservatives dominated talk-radio and Fox News was the highest rated show on cable TV...

Limbaugh seemed to be in sync with the Bush WH or vice-versa, since their daily talking points almost always lined up...libs didn't have any high profile national news entertainers...maybe Al Franken or John Stewart, two comedians, whose combined audiences didn't get close to any con news entertainment host...

now comes a con President who provides fodder for libs to talk about...Trump literally says/tweets controversial stuff almost daily...and he's done stuff that is controversial and against the norms, some of which appears very close to crossing legal/criminal lines...and the multiple investigations are finding a lot of witches among people in his orbit.. there is so much fertile soil for one lib news entertainer, Rachel Maddow, to talk about to gain an audience...

so cons now complain about news entertainers...really?

it was OK when it was a Dem being beaten up daily...
delta1 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes. Because California should decide a national election....

correct again...

majority rules in most things American...

the will of about 95,000 people in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin over-ruled nearly 3 million people...but that's the system we have and we accept the outcome...the rule of law trumps all ...
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 9:13 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
correct again...

majority rules in most things American...

in this case the will of about 65,000 people in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin over-ruled nearly 3 million people...but that's the system we have and we accept the outcome...the rule of law trumps all ...


We should save this post as an example of convoluted logic.
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 9:18 PM EST
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Agreed.

Al.....I’d be real careful what you ask for, and a constitutional republic is not direct democracy.
delta1 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 9:30 PM EST
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I doubt we'll ever have a pure/direct democracy...I understand the need for the compromises that created the United States, and the give and take that resulted in the electoral college system...

I also know that Constitutional Amendments need to be passed to change the current voting system, and I don't see that happening in my lifetime, prolly not in yours either, Jamie...I just like to rant every once in awhile, cuz the the GOP candidate has won the last three elections when the winner lost the popular vote: Harrison in 1888, Bush in 2000 and Trump in 2016...
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 10:22 PM EST
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😎 you’d have to do better to not be my buddy.
Abrignac Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2018, 10:40 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
😎 you’d have to do better to not be my buddy.


Yep things have heated up a bit between friends lately. Now might be a great time to ratchet down the rhetoric between us in this thread and a few others.

That said, here's to you Al Beer

When we get together next year for the herf, first cigar is on me. Love ya, brother.
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 11:38 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
We should save this post as an example of convoluted logic.




right?


but it defines American society, where the most points win, generally, except when we have national elections...
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