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Last post 2 months ago by KingoftheCove. 36 replies replies.
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KingoftheCove Offline
#1 Posted:
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Yikes.......some serious new starting prices at the other place for several of my staples.
ram27bat

Might even have to start shopping here again...
d'oh!
KingoftheCove Offline
#2 Posted:
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Looks like the same happening here now...
Pudding Mittens Offline
#3 Posted:
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This is one reason why I've always advocated the strategy of "buy as big a schittload as possible, as early as possible" to build up a giant collection at the low low prices of yesterday, so you can laugh at the big price increases (and regulations, bans and taxes) of tomorrow, while your collection is improving with age the whole time*.

* (Some guys say cigars "peak" then decline in quality, but I've never experienced this, rather what I have experienced is continual improvement but at a diminishing rate after awhile, but never a decline).
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#4 Posted:
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
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This is one reason (along with several others) why I advocate the strategy of "buy as big a schittload as possible, as early as possible" to build up a giant hoard at the low prices of yesterday, so you can laugh at the big price increases (and regulations, bans and taxes) of tomorrow.
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As well as “When you see a deal on one of your favorites and the price is crazy good, no matter how many boxes you have, buy ‘um!” Herfing
Pudding Mittens Offline
#5 Posted:
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Another fun aspect of my strategy is that, after awhile, the initial expenditure has long since been paid out, and has been forgotten about. You don't "feel" it anymore, it's not a "thing", it was long ago.

At this point, psychologically it's like owning a well-stocked cigar store that only lets in one customer (you), and all the cigars are FREE!

WOOHOO! It's like being in heaven without having to die first! Herfing
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BLISTER Offline
#6 Posted:
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Yikes.......some serious new starting prices at the other place for several of my staples.


You do know that "that other place" is owned by this place?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted:
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You be talking about a different other place I think...
BLISTER Offline
#8 Posted:
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If it was headquartered in Tampa and purchased by Swedish Match last year, then it's the same vendor
opelmanta1900 Offline
#9 Posted:
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You may be right... I figured he was talking about the other other place, but it looks like the tampa place might have some new complaint-worthy prices....
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted:
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Interesting....I assumed he was talking about a place with a cigar auctioneer....which is, I think, very different from this place
opelmanta1900 Offline
#11 Posted:
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I don't know what kotc bids on at the place that auctioneers cigars, but I didn't notice any obviously new prices... The Tampa place had a couple of offensive starting prices though, so I'm guessing that's what kotc was talking about..
dstieger Offline
#12 Posted:
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I didn't even know the Tampa place had auctions....haven't set virtual foot near them in over a decade
BLISTER Offline
#13 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't know what kotc bids on at the place that auctioneers cigars, but I didn't notice any obviously new prices... The Tampa place had a couple of offensive starting prices though, so I'm guessing that's what kotc was talking about..


If you notice, the website format looks strikingly similar to Cigarbid. Think
opelmanta1900 Offline
#14 Posted:
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They had some good prices recently... But I alwaysfind myself settling... Like if I wanted tat blacks, I could get them there for cheap, but never the size I wanted...

and, on more than one occasion, I received a cigar from them that was vastly different from the exact cigar sold at a b&m... Flor de las Antilles robusto's and the AVO Syncro's specifically come to mind...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#15 Posted:
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BLISTER wrote:
If you notice, the website format looks strikingly similar to Cigarbid. Think

Yup... Terrible...
tonygraz Offline
#16 Posted:
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Just looked and it is vastly different from what I remember. Pretty soon they may have to drop the rule about competitor mentions.
bgz Offline
#17 Posted:
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I didn't know that happened. Just confirmed, same platform, unless the other other place copied the html without permission... But I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.
dstieger Offline
#18 Posted:
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Pretty easy to imagine two independent companies buying auction platform from same developer....just like many different forums look alike
bgz Offline
#19 Posted:
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Problem with auction platforms, is there's not a huge market for auction platforms.

So I see that scenario as unlikely.
bgz Offline
#20 Posted:
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That and they were selling Ave Maria Divinias on there.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#21 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
I didn't even know the Tampa place had auctions....haven't set virtual foot near them in over a decade



A lot of folks didn't know. I was killing it there about 6 - 7 years ago as traffic was very light. That's the place I won those 50 PAM 64s at. I think I paid something like $5-$6 each. IIRC, I snaged 3 boxes of Undercrown Toros for $73 - $78 per box, and a box or two of WOAM for under $100. Also won serveral boxes of Pepin's stuff for cheap. Then the word got out and the bids went through the roof. I haven't even looked at that place in years, and have no interest to do so in the future.

David
dstieger Offline
#22 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Problem with auction platforms, is there's not a huge market for auction platforms.


I get that. ....what are the chances that cbid developed and maintains the site with in house talent?

Not saying they aren't closely related....it would just sting a little....since I've done so much business here.....and dislike the other guys so much....I would feel a little duped
bgz Offline
#23 Posted:
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I would say it's more likely they sourced it to a local development company, then just had them re-purpose the codebase for the new site.

No need to feel duped as it appears the guys you didn't like got replaced with the guys you do.

Happens...

I suppose the guys that you don't like could have found the devs for the people you do like and had them resell them the same software... but I think that would have likely ended with a cease and desist to the bad guys... in which case the site would not look like it currently does.

Oh, and I found and article confirming the acquisition...
KingoftheCove Offline
#24 Posted:
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BLISTER wrote:
You do know that "that other place" is owned by this place?

Your "other place" must not be the same as my "other place"...

There's 4 auction houses
One REALLY suqs...
One kinda suqs.....but one can win some higher end stuff at decent prices sometimes

the other two have been battling it out for a long time......one is cbid.....the other is the "other place"
shaun341 Offline
#25 Posted:
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Paid $62m cash for that place too.
KingoftheCove Offline
#26 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't know what kotc bids on at the place that auctioneers cigars, but I didn't notice any obviously new prices... The Tampa place had a couple of offensive starting prices though, so I'm guessing that's what kotc was talking about..

that other auction place raised their starting bid price on MANY items....
KingoftheCove Offline
#27 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I would say it's more likely they sourced it to a local development company, then just had them re-purpose the codebase for the new site.

No need to feel duped as it appears the guys you didn't like got replaced with the guys you do.

Happens...

I suppose the guys that you don't like could have found the devs for the people you do like and had them resell them the same software... but I think that would have likely ended with a cease and desist to the bad guys... in which case the site would not look like it currently does.

Oh, and I found and article confirming the acquisition...

Yeah......I mentioned this quite a while ago......and ALSO mentioned that I was hoping the "other place" wouldn't cave in to the offers that are sure to come...
Time will tell...
KingoftheCove Offline
#28 Posted:
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Shana is lurking......everybody RUN!
dstieger Offline
#29 Posted:
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The minotaurs of yore are part of the problem....talking around the various business relationships and rarely acknowledging facts, even when laid out....been m.o. to just deny any relationships.....except when they didn't
KingoftheCove Offline
#30 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't know what kotc bids on at the place that auctioneers cigars, but I didn't notice any obviously new prices... The Tampa place had a couple of offensive starting prices though, so I'm guessing that's what kotc was talking about..

wrong...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#31 Posted:
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Well the only thing I've bought there was tat monsters and blacks... Don't keep up much with anything else... Not surprised though... Prices be going up all over... And customer service be going down...
Pudding Mittens Offline
#32 Posted:
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For any noobs still wondering what we're talking about, this is me NOT mentioning the competitor's name:

Quote:
The ___________ submachine gun is the "Chicago Typewriter" of gangster lore.

Fred ___________ used to try to sell you reverse mortgages on TV commercials until he died.

The ___________/Center Contender is a nice single-shot firearm.


From what I've read, ___________ is now under the same ownership umbrella as CigarBid, "the mothership", and its various other arms.

Therefore, ___________'s auction site being just like CigarBid's site isn't a shocker.

Hope that helps. Note that I did NOT mention the name! Herfing
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opelmanta1900 Offline
#33 Posted:
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Enjoy your time off noob...
KingoftheCove Offline
#34 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Interesting....I assumed he was talking about a place with a cigar auctioneer....which is, I think, very different from this place

Correct...
And in the last few months, some seriously offensive starting bid price hikes..............or should I say corrections?
dstieger Offline
#35 Posted:
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They seem to be doing some experimenting with starting prices....some quite high..some not so much...I 'accidentally' won nearly $500 worth over the last couple weeks
KingoftheCove Offline
#36 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
They seem to be doing some experimenting with starting prices....some quite high..some not so much...I 'accidentally' won nearly $500 worth over the last couple weeks

Yes they do, and have been for a while.
There are still good deals to be had for certain mid range cigars.
I was just beeching cause a few of my favs jumped pretty seriously in starting bid prices....
Sometimes they lower starting bid prices........maybe I'll get lucky...
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