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Wineador assistance
stinger88 Offline
#1 Posted:
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BOTL/SOTL

The wife has authorized me to purchase a wineador for my Valentine’s Day gift. I have done some research but can’t seem to pull the trigger. I am looking for something to store 400-500 cigars.

Do you have one? Likes/dislikes?

I will take whatever opinions you guys/gals have.

(And yes, I have coolerdors, humidors, and tuperdors already)

I want something nice and purty but still gets the job done.

Thanks,
David
borndead1 Offline
#2 Posted:
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I have two 28-bottle Vinotemps. Zero dislikes. They're still running strong after almost 10 years. If you really wanna shell out some coin, get an actual climate-controlled humidor. If not, get a 28-bottle Vinotemp. Mine hold anywhere from 15-18 boxes, depending on the size of the box. Get Spanish Cedar planks to cut into shelves. And make sure you get a temperature override controller. You can get one of those from any home brewing company.
stinger88 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Thanks. Not that I am lazy but am looking to get it with all the drawers/shelves completed.

I will keep it on the list tho.
shaun341 Offline
#4 Posted:
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I converted a 28 bottle Koldfront with 3 drawers and a shelf. Should have done 1 less drawer so I could store more boxes in it. I hear the already converted new air ones are pretty nice.

Only issue I run into is condensation will puddle in the bottom. I try bags of beads to use that water but it's too much at times. I have made a habit of wiping the bottom down every so often, and turning the cooler off certain times of the year.
borndead1 Offline
#5 Posted:
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^ Your problem is beads. Switch to an electric humidifier and keep it set at around 65% and that condensation will go away.
NWStogie Offline
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I’ve had my NewAire CC-300 up & running for 2 years. It’s the humidor version that comes with SS shelves and drawers. Only two drawers, though, so I made SS drawers out of the other shelves. Ended up adding a few PC fans to improve air circulation. Super stable. Got it on sale for less than $300. Bought a used no-name cheapie thermoelectric wine fridge off of Craigslist and made more SS drawers as my collection expanded. It had better circulation from the stock fan. No need for additional fans. Both are working well. I’m using HF beads and silica KL. No condensation issues.
shaun341 Offline
#7 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
^ Your problem is beads. Switch to an electric humidifier and keep it set at around 65% and that condensation will go away.



Never used an electric humidifier, any suggestions on one that works best? Been fighting this problem for years now and would love to have less maintenance.
NWStogie Offline
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An electric humidifier may not be the answer, unless it can remove humidity in addition to providing it. Condensation happens when warm air, which can hold more humidity, is cooled. It loses its ability to hold the humidity and the water vapor condenses. What’s the ambient temp of the room? An open door of a wineador can result in quite a bit of air exchange with the room, versus a top-opening coolidor. Is the drain hole plugged? Might be another source of ambient air exchange. I did some googling and see others have solved this. How full is your wineador? A full one has a better ability to buffer humidity changes and less air to exchange.
shaun341 Offline
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NWStogie wrote:
An electric humidifier may not be the answer, unless it can remove humidity in addition to providing it. Condensation happens when warm air, which can hold more humidity, is cooled. It loses its ability to hold the humidity and the water vapor condenses. What’s the ambient temp of the room? An open door of a wineador can result in quite a bit of air exchange with the room, versus a top-opening coolidor. Is the drain hole plugged? Might be another source of ambient air exchange. I did some googling and see others have solved this. How full is your wineador? A full one has a better ability to buffer humidity changes and less air to exchange.



Wineador is overfull, have to use a foot locker for overflow. Room temp is 75 unfortunately and I have plugged the hole even though I have heard mixed reviews on plugging the hole due to condensation but I couldn't keep the RH steady without doing so. The room it is stored in is the first duct off the main heat trunk so it is hotter than the rest of the house which is generally 70 degrees. I am open to anything at this point, keep adding beads and it isn't working ( probably have over $200 in beads in there).

NWStogie Offline
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shaun341 wrote:
Wineador is overfull, have to use a foot locker for overflow. Room temp is 75 unfortunately and I have plugged the hole even though I have heard mixed reviews on plugging the hole due to condensation but I couldn't keep the RH steady without doing so. The room it is stored in is the first duct off the main heat trunk so it is hotter than the rest of the house which is generally 70 degrees. I am open to anything at this point, keep adding beads and it isn't working ( probably have over $200 in beads in there).



This happens over the summer to me with my toteadores. I rotate my (silica) KL in my toreadors with KL I’ve dessicated in the oven. The beads or KL can only soak up so much moisture. Seems to work ok. Is your wineador compressor or thermoelectric?
shaun341 Offline
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Thermoelectric, I don't think you can use the compressor ones cause they dry the air out I thought.
NWStogie Offline
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shaun341 wrote:
Thermoelectric, I don't think you can use the compressor ones cause they dry the air out I thought.


Something like that, I think. I was thinking of a hot compressor motor heating up the ambient room temp near your wineador. I feel your pain, Brother. Weekly rotation of my KL really did the trick for me. But my toteadors are top opening and don’t get much air exchange.

shaun341 Offline
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Hmm I never thought of moving the beads around
NWStogie Offline
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shaun341 wrote:
Hmm I never thought of moving the beads around

You can dehydrate the oversaturated beads or KL in your oven. Google will be your friend. Then swap the wet stuff out for the dry stuff.
borndead1 Offline
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Beads suck. Beads are your problem. I still don't understand why people love those stupid f**king beads so much. The ONLY time I have ever had a condensation problem, living in MI, IN, and CA is when I tried using beads. F**k beads, dude. Remove all humidification devices from your humis and let it adjust. Then get a couple of plain old rectangular foam humidifiers or an electric one (Hydra, Cigar Oasis) and set it to 60%. I use a plain old green foam humidifier in my 100-count humidor and the current humidity is...63%. I use Hydra electric humidifiers in my wineadors and the current humidity is...66% in one and 67% in the other. And that's with neither of them plugged in, because it's the cold/rainy season here.
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stinger88 wrote:


I want something nice and purty but still gets the job done.



I bought a 10cuft glass door humidor about 16 months ago, it's described as a 1000ct but I only have around 700 in it (of various sizes) and I consider it at max capacity. Takes up a 1.5' x 2' area of floor space and has a very nice appearance. So far, I have been able to maintain 64% +/- 1 and 67° +/- 2 in this cabinet with my home thermostat typically at 68°. I use, believe this or not, 2 foam rectangular humidifiers in the bottom storage drawer and 3 - 8 ounce black ice jars, one on each shelf, and fuel them all with distilled water... that's all, no beads or electronic humidifiers and no struggle. The part I love most, the cedar and tobacco smell is intoxicating every time I open the door, I love it. I would guess, with you living in a somewhat year round stable environment that this sort of setup would work just as care free for you. Just my 2 cents worth.

Pudding Mittens Offline
#17 Posted:
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stinger88 wrote:
The wife has authorized me to purchase a wineador for my Valentine’s Day gift.

I can relate. The guy I see in the mirror everyday while I'm shaving has authorized me to purchase whatever the hell I feel like purchasing, forever.

That dude is awesome, seriously!

Herfing
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frankj1 Offline
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what do you recommend for guys with callouses on their hands?
asking for an unmarried friend
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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O'Keeffe's Working Hands Hand Cream
stinger88 Offline
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I might go for the Newair 300.
Pudding Mittens Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
what do you recommend for guys with callouses on their hands?
asking for an unmarried friend

On the contrary, usually you have to ask this for the married guys, after some time has passed.

The unmarried guys, by contrast, usually have no such problems at all!

Herfing
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frankj1 Offline
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
On the contrary, usually you have to ask this for the married guys, after some time has passed.

The unmarried guys, by contrast, usually have no such problems at all!

Herfing
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excellent!
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#23 Posted:
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Only 400-500?

Pu**y,

Google "THE Reagan"
namadio Offline
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delta1 wrote:
O'Keeffe's Working Hands Hand Cream


This **** is the best.


Also I have two small wine fridges I had always intended to convert over and I’ve never done it. My wood working skills are subpar and the people that build drawers are super long lead time. I’m more of an instant gratification person when I’m buying ****.
bgz Offline
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Don't think you can go wrong with the Newair 300. I got the Newair 281 or something like that (think it's the same thing) and built my own shelves. Been running like a champ for a long time.

Beads are good, I just keep the bulk of them in the bottom where the condensation tends to accumulate, no problems. I have a small bag of beads at the top as well. Used to keep boveda packs in the drawers, but they don't really seem to make a difference.

I haven't watered my beads in several months. I have a few hygrometers in there, and I usually don't water them until the lowest rh drops below 60.

Usually sits between 61 or 62 at the low end and about 66 at the high end, where the highest is usually the bottom drawer.
Pudding Mittens Offline
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Corn Husker's Lotion, by Johnson and Johnson. That stuff's awesome for dry hands and elbows and such. Developed in 1919 for the rough hands of farm workers, it's celebrating its centennial this year.

I've heard rumors it's great as an interpersonal intimate lubricant too, but that'd be an "off-label use".

Herfing
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ypetryna Offline
#27 Posted:
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sorry im late to the party.

went with a newair 281 E scratch and dent from air and water. with a coupon it rounded out around 120. dent was on the back side, and bottom not visible to people.

got custom shelving from forrest, but there is another guy in the game now and his work is worth a look at but i think he costs a bit more. this was aorund 200-220 shipped.

i wanna say 4 drawers, 2 shelves

run a combination of beads in the bottom (should probably spray them down now that i think about it) and in a tupperware drawer on a shelf at the top. and bovedas and 2 gel jars between the drawers. maybe 4-6 bovedas (they fit in real well between the top and bottom of drawers) and 2 different gels. (1 small CBID jar, 1 14 black ice pie). Holds solid at 62-64 % RH. temp varies but never higher then 70 as its in the basement. i dont even bother plugging it in. no need. super great investment. 0 Issues with it, and it hold a lot. PM if you want more info. i can email pics n other details.
stinger88 Offline
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Topped for Mikey to see.
cacman Offline
#29 Posted:
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If your ambient room temp doesn't exceed 68-70°, buy a big azz cabinet instead.
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cacman wrote:
If your ambient room temp doesn't exceed 68-70°, buy a big azz cabinet instead.

Actually if you don't have a temp issue, you can pick up a non-functioning wine cooler for close to free and make it your winedor. Saves on electricity.
stinger88 Offline
#31 Posted:
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Thanks for the advice. I think I know what I want but am chicken $hit to pull the trigger.
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