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Would you vote for Mike Rowe or do you know enough about him to say if you would?

Then it makes no difference. Trump=Obama Obama=Trump. Hate one hate both in this regard.

I don’t know much about Rowe unless he’s the dirty jobs deadliest catch dude. Even then I don’t know his politics but unless he’s governed a machine like the government before I’d find him hard to support.

I’ll look up who he is later though.

It is hard to govern. The ineptness of this admin is very apparent to anyone operationalizing things through admins of both parties. Reagan and others had previous governing experience. It does make a difference. Reagan surrounded himself with very skilled people (agree with their politics/integrity or not)

I do prefer an ex governor or mayor over a senator or reality star. Just a practical matter to me probably biased by my daily view.

Kasich has a pretty unique skill set although the trump supporters hate him for showing what I find to be integrity.

The problem with someone like Rowe is you need more than good ideas. You need to staff the machine with folks that can actually accomplish them. That takes skills and experience. I doubt Rowe knows enough of these folks to be effective. I KNOW Trump doesn’t and Trump likely knows more than Rowe.

This is a failed experiment that won’t truly be known for a few years.

Maybe so. Pretty broad statement by me without really knowing. Knee jerk.

I just know it takes a lot of people in every aspect of government to run things. Smart doesn’t do it. It takes a very specific skill set to quote Taken.

This view point I still can't come to understand...

In my simplistic and native understanding of government, it seems there's a business side and a social issues side... Social issues and the way the government deals with them changes constantly... Constantly... So nothing trump does on that front will be remembered in 10 years...

On the business side, I have no idea what trump has done that's so bad... The news kept saying Russia Russia Russia, but it sure looks like that's something your enemy would yell at you while trying to push their own hate-driven agenda...

Our government is designed to protect us from the whims and passions of the day. In that regard I get what you are saying Opel. As long as the checks and balances hold. I’m afraid they may not.


Unrelated thoughts not specific to this admin - most things aren’t new

Remember the anti Japanese movement in the 80s. When Japan was going to own the USA. I drove fords to that point and when one was in the shop rented a Toyota. I got harassed driving it through a drive through. I guess I wasn’t american enough. Now all cars are mutts. But it’s still a button to push.

Remember how the military was viewed after Vietnam. Not the military but individual servicemen. These guys were drafted primarily. They were scorned and treated like crap. Now folks join as a profession and are put on a pedestal even though it’s more of a job now. I agree with honoring them it’s just weird how the view changed. Which one is so right that it should be codified.

Acting during either time would produce fools gold.

We’ve become so us vs them with them being the enemy that we are starting to act on our emotional outbursts, the very thing our founders meant to keep us from. I do worry they didn’t see that coming and our checks and balances may fail. Both parties are blatantly trying to load courts. Both parties are shamelessly jerrymandering districts. Both are either suppressing or manufacturing votes. And yet my side is good and yours is bad and if you say anything critical about my side you are on theirs. It’s shallow thinking and makes legitimate compromise impossible. It’s simply not reasonable.

When unpredictable compromise is replaced with predictable results based on the R v D scorecard I worry.

And a smart marketer can truly exploit this. (As well as a not so smart one)

Ok I’m done lol. Have fun.

Moderate americans must not smoke cigars....

That's not obstruction, either. Being pissed off and complaining is not obstruction.

Being pissed off and complaining to your friends and family is "complaining".

That is not the same as what trump did.

It did. It cleared trump on collusion. It’s one of the things that has been strange all along. An investigations conclusion shouldn’t be set at the beginning. The investigation is to find guilt or exonerate. The argument in here seemed to be that you needed proof of guilt before investigating. That’s always been weird. It’s the dirty cop mentality. I know you are guilty and I’m going to prove it whether you are guilty or not. Weird. That is a witch hunt. That is not what happened here. That was just a set up unless it went a way you don’t like. That is the disingenuous path.

Well know more soon but apparently he wasn’t exhonorated on obstruction or vice versa. That’s an argument I’m sure the experts in here will be certain of (whichever side) but the real experts are not. They differ.

There are also a few people in the pokey as a result and some more investigations going on in sdny as a result.

The assumption that an investigation is to find guilt whether it exists or not is absurd. I argued all along with my dad that it could clear him if there is no wrong doing. Funny how honorable, dishonorable, and honorable again are assigned based on how it impacts your guy. I really think Mueller tried to play it straight and has been honorable all along regardless of how the political snakes on both sides acted or are acting.

I suspect there will be a little more ugly in the report that will piss some in here off. But the report did find something. There was no collusion from Trump that he can find. That’s useful and good. It’s what an investigation should do.

It’s odd some think there should be no investigation unless you know the answer.

No anger. Happiness. Our President didn’t collude with Russia. It’s good to know. I truly hope it sticks and withstands history. I beleive it will. I think it’s a case of a few bad actors around him during a time of chaos.