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Can Biden Beat Trump?
rfenst Offline
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What say you?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Probably, but I hear trump has been brushing up on his jiu jitsu...
tailgater Offline
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Is that a knife used in a bris?



dstieger Offline
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'If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him,' Biden said
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he prolly would, since he's popular in the area where Trump's surprise victory happened: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio...Trump grabbed a lot of Dem and Indie votes since Hillary wasn't very popular there and didn't make a decent effort to campaign, so Trump squeaked out wins in those states that were assumed solid Dem states...

those were among the states where the Russian interference was especially concentrated...


but I think the Dem party may be evolving away from the old lions of the past, who have some baggage...I know that sounds weird because Bernie was so popular, but he went after young Dem blood...they may sweep someone new into the nomination...
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Nope. I don't expect any of the dem candidates to be able to.

No reason, based on the Senate race, to expect anything but a republican victory in 2020.
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Possible, but I doubt it. There are no Dems in the running right now that I honestly think could win. The DNC will screw Bernie over again, so he's a non-issue.

I also think it's possible that Trump will decide not to run again. And honestly, ANY Dem in the running right now could beat Pence.
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I heard Biden was gay... Mellow
Gene363 Online
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I doubt that he could.
frankj1 Offline
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he was my choice 10 years ago but Obama...
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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In 2020, I'm writing in Candace Owens.

David
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I'm just glad both parties have come to realize that old white guys always have and always will make the best presidents...
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OhMyGod
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The only way Biden beats JDT is if you staple tits all over him.
bgz Offline
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Remember kids, a vote for Biden is a vote for titties... and everyone likes titties.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Report out this morning. The GDP grew by 3.2% in the first quarter of 2019, and far exceeded economist's expectations. This was in spite of (or because of?) the government shutdown in January.

The economy is growing way too fast. Vote for a Dem to slow it down.

David
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that's a good number...let's see if it stands up to revisions after a couple of weeks...iirc, the last quarter number was revised downward....but anything over 3% would be great...


too bad Trump can't seem to get out of his own way, but he has to make himself the center of attention, like the reality TV star ho he was, is, and always will be...I picture the guy in his 80's, after he leaves office, tweeting about how bad and weak and disgraceful and sad the incumbent POTUS is....
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Report out this morning. The GDP grew by 3.2% in the first quarter of 2019, and far exceeded economist's expectations. This was in spite of (or because of?) the government shutdown in January.

The economy is growing way too fast. Vote for a Dem to slow it down.

David



That's been a GOP myth for a long time...here are the real numbers, which show that the US economy has performed much better while DEMs are in the POTUS office.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-08-01/ranking-presidents-economic-records-by-gdp-growth
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
That's been a GOP myth for a long time...here are the real numbers, which show that the US economy has performed much better while DEMs are in the POTUS office.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-08-01/ranking-presidents-economic-records-by-gdp-growth



GDP is predicted to land around 3%.

What happened to Obama's "new normal" of 2% GDP?
What happened to permanent high unemployment that Obama warned us about?


Don't get me wrong, I don't give any POTUS full credit or full blame for the economy.
But I ask you these questions because you're posting misleading statistics.
At best.

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tailgater wrote:
GDP is predicted to land around 3%.

What happened to Obama's "new normal" of 2% GDP?
What happened to permanent high unemployment that Obama warned us about?


Don't get me wrong, I don't give any POTUS full credit or full blame for the economy.
But I ask you these questions because you're posting misleading statistics.
At best.



It's all about leadership and being positive, something Obama never understood. Even former President Bill Clinton tried to tell Obama early on but Obama didn't listen.
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Obama promised to pay mortgage.. Mad
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delta1 wrote:
that's a good number...let's see if it stands up to revisions after a couple of weeks...iirc, the last quarter number was revised downward....but anything over 3% would be great...


too bad Trump can't seem to get out of his own way, but he has to make himself the center of attention, like the reality TV star ho he was, is, and always will be...I picture the guy in his 80's, after he leaves office, tweeting about how bad and weak and disgraceful and sad the incumbent POTUS is....


Well Al, we agree there. If he would just shut his mouth, stop his stupid tweets and start acting Presidential, I believe his approval numbers would climb considerably. If he would just shutup for the next year and a half, I think he would be unbeatable in 2020, but he has this nasty habit of shooting himself in the foot, over and over again.

David
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tailgater wrote:
GDP is predicted to land around 3%.

What happened to Obama's "new normal" of 2% GDP?
What happened to permanent high unemployment that Obama warned us about?


Don't get me wrong, I don't give any POTUS full credit or full blame for the economy.
But I ask you these questions because you're posting misleading statistics.
At best.






Gene363 wrote:
It's all about leadership and being positive, something Obama never understood. Even former President Bill Clinton tried to tell Obama early on but Obama didn't listen.



see post #16
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I am not unbiased, but also not a Democrat.

Here's what I've seen.

for the last couple of decades the incoming Dem POTUS has inherited a sinking economy and has left with it both improved and rising (same as Trump received), only to be followed by a GOP POTUS who enjoys the ride for a couple of years before departing with things tanking.

a quarter of GDP is far from the only measuring stick.
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come on Frank...let the cons and Trump bask in some glory for a bit...
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delta1 wrote:
come on Frank...let the cons and Trump bask in some glory for a bit...

well, rather than cherry pick stats that appear to support what one would like to be true, I'm going by life experience.
When it comes to the economy, the Dems have been the rebuilders for a long time now.

That said, neither side has solved the wealth gap (neither wants to either), nor made a dent in debt related categories.
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and it doesn't mean Biden could beat Trump either as Trump is very good at motivating voters to get off the couch. Not so sure any Dem can do that...since Obama
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
If he would just shut his mouth, stop his stupid tweets and start acting Presidential, I believe his approval numbers would climb considerably. If he would just shutup for the next year and a half, I think he would be unbeatable in 2020, but he has this nasty habit of shooting himself in the foot, over and over again.

David


His qualities and habits scare the hell out of me. What a great Commander in Chief we have.
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N.O.P.E.

trump will out bully him...

Joe always wants to settle things under the bleachers or out behind the gym...
Tough guy joe...the same P.R.I.C.K. WHO LET COMEY AND BARRY... GREENLIGHT my sorry ass.... and he did not oppose...
So look, I say...get to know disappointment....it's coming
Joe....
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I'll just be against anybody that wants to change the country to a New World Order place.

Not sure what old crazy uncle Joe wants yet...

Anyway, so I hope not. But there are a lot of lemming morons out there that can't think.

Just my 2¢

Beer
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I thought NWO was more of a Republican idea.
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Speyside wrote:
I thought NWO was more of a Republican idea.

Bush the First, no?
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In his speech, Toward a New World Order, delivered on 11 September 1990 during a joint session of the US Congress, President George H. W. Bush described his objectives for post-Cold War global governance in cooperation with post-Soviet states. He stated:

Until now, the world we've known has been a world divided—a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war. Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations
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there were other uses well before this speech...
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I recall hearing Bush 1 mention the term long ago.

But, I'm pretty sure Hillary was all for that.

And no matter the source, we don't want to be governed by some group in Brussels.

Anxious



frankj1 Offline
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Hillary was never President.
Bush was.
I would have assumed your unmentioned beef is with him and his supporters over this.
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Frank, it was the obligatory but Hillary. Never make the assumption logic and fact are involved when but Hillary is used. In fact, make the assumption the logic and fact are not involved when a conservative uses but Hillary.
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I don't like her, refused to vote for her, but if you don't like something that comes from your side...
weak.
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frankj1 wrote:
Hillary was never President.


Interesting observation.


d'oh!
Speyside Offline
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BS, don't you want to throw in a but Obama also?
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Isn't that the black guy who killed a bunch of innocent brown people with unmanned drones? I wouldn't but him...
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I wonder what makes a worse president...

A guy who tries to stop brown people from coming into the country by signing anti-immigration bills

Or

A guy who claims to love brown people and then indiscriminately murderers a bunch of them because of how they look...
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Anti-imigration = less votes for Hillary... Mellow
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Speyside wrote:
BS, don't you want to throw in a but Obama also?


Who?

Beer
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Woodrow Wilson, a Dem POTUS, immortalized the phrase "New World Order" after WWI, to describe an ideal based on world peace and globalization to insure "the war to end all wars" was the war to end all wars.......GHWB used that term to describe his vision of global peace...

GWB (Rumsfeld and the Neo-cons) also used the initials NWO, but they were referring to the Next World Order with American leadership in globalization...

seems NWO is only an epithet if a lib is associated with it...otherwise the cons are all in...

kinda like Romneycare, a blend of private and public funding/subsidization to provide more people with healthcare, which originally was a "great GOP vision for healthcare in the US", until Obama embraced the idea and proposed the ACA using Romneycare as a guide...

now, the ADA/Obamacare is called a failure by the cons, even though more than 22 million more Americans have actual healthcare coverage than before ... many of whom still say they hate Obamacare, even tho they have healthcare coverage now when they didn't before...

shows the power that propaganda exerts and the willingness to believe the false rhetoric from one's side...
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opel... drone warfare was a strategy implemented by the generals fighting terrorism against brown people who swore and dedicated their lives to kill Americans, in Syria and Yemen and later, Pakistan, during the latter stages of GWB's war in the middle east...they are much different from the brown people who love America and want to come to here for a better life for themselves and their families...don't believe Trump's claim that they are the same - he's lying...


drone warfare was considered a safe strategy to avoid putting American soldiers in harms way...using human assets (Arabs mainly, sometimes American operatives) on the ground to identify targets, armed drones were used to launch missiles at those id'ed as terrorists, their homes and their vehicles...

occasionally, Arab informants provided false identification to exact revenge against their enemies, who were not terrorists but people who committed some offense against the informants...errors in identification or execution were made... innocent people in the houses or traveling with a known terrorist were killed...

Obama inherited this operation and the two generals who developed the strategy, McCrystal and McRaven...and went all in...it resulted in hundreds of terrorists being wiped off the "most wanted" list, especially in Pakistan, but also some terrible mistakes, like the wedding parties that got blown up without any of the dozens of people killed having any links to terrorism...but considering the number of civilians killed during traditional warfare, this was considered an acceptable alternative...

we are coming under increasing pressure by the UN and world peace advocates to end this practice, especially because innocent people are continuing to get killed ...

btw...drones are still being used by the Trump administration, but not openly advertised as during the Obama terms, and deserves some credit for taking down ISIS ops in Syria and Yemen...too bad they couldn't have nailed the ISIS guys in Sri Lanka before they blew themselves up...
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All's I know is Obama holds the record for murdering the most amount of innocent civilians using drones...

My point was simply that trump is exactly the piece of crap he looks to be... Obama is exactly the piece of crap he pretended not to be... Call me crazy but I find the newly established honesty in politics refreshing... Also amazed that we see such honesty from the most lyingest president we've had...
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delta1 wrote:
Woodrow Wilson, a Dem POTUS, immortalized the phrase "New World Order" after WWI, to describe an ideal based on world peace and globalization to insure "the war to end all wars" was the war to end all wars.......GHWB used that term to describe his vision of global peace...

GWB (Rumsfeld and the Neo-cons) also used the initials NWO, but they were referring to the Next World Order with American leadership in globalization...

seems NWO is only an epithet if a lib is associated with it...otherwise the cons are all in...

kinda like Romneycare, a blend of private and public funding/subsidization to provide more people with healthcare, which originally was a "great GOP vision for healthcare in the US", until Obama embraced the idea and proposed the ACA using Romneycare as a guide...

now, the ADA/Obamacare is called a failure by the cons, even though more than 22 million more Americans have actual healthcare coverage than before ... many of whom still say they hate Obamacare, even tho they have healthcare coverage now when they didn't before...

shows the power that propaganda exerts and the willingness to believe the false rhetoric from one's side...

new world order has also been used by extreme right wing hate groups (such as John Birch Society eg) in their false conspiracy spewing filth against Jews and others.

glad to see someone else call it Romneycare...it was born in MA ya know. Several GOP senators are urging party leaders (and Trump) to drop attempts at eliminating ACA without a replacement plan, and especially if any proposed plan eliminates what Trump guaranteed (pre-existing conditions, lower premiums etc) because the current ACA is actually very popular WITH VOTERS!
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I didn't vote for it... Not talking
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DrafterX wrote:
I didn't vote for it... Not talking

I didn't vote for it or against it, wasn't on the ballot here either.

but it was probably the biggest issue in the mid-term turnover of seats in the House and GOP leaders are looking to keep it on the back burner as 2020 elections approach.
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