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dstieger Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 2:19 PM EST
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Are you asking me?

And, what if it was?

If a white dude says that a confessed violent criminal should be punished.....is he a racist if the criminal is black? I said OJ should hang. Does that quote get me branded as a racist?

If you're going to apply the label, maybe you should define 'racist' before going a lot farther down this road. If we're headed down the Huck Road, I worry there's a possibility that NO white person can ever criticize any non-white without being tagged a racist. I get that it is a difficult path to avoid for anyone who has at least dipped their toes in the liberal pool. But it is fraught with a dangerous and slippery slope that serves to divide more than reconcile. I just want to know what rules your playing by before trying to discuss with you. Otherwise, we're just talking past each other again.
dstieger Offline
#52 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 2:23 PM EST
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rman, I'm afraid it just doesn't matter.

If any white person is prevented from saying something disparaging about them for fear of being branded a racist, it really doesn't matter whether they did it or not. We probably need to divide up the cops and judges and even reporters --- let blacks investigate black perps, and white cops investigate white perps ----- and same with judges, juries and reporters, too --- so that we don't risk tainting the investigations and stories with all the racism going around
Ewok126 Offline
#53 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 2:50 PM EST
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Man, Sometimes I wonder if you are all drinking the same water as my wife. One minute we talking about the California Synagogue Shooter then next we talking about general racism, Trump vs Hillary and what color thongs the Thonginator is wearing today.

I can't keep up with all this subject hopping and it makes my head hurt. Focus on one issue at a time folks, Damn.

Now, as to the racist bs. Black man rapes a white girl, White man rapes a mexican. Indian rapes purple painted horse etc. The timing of a news report was off due to color etc. Why is it that in such situations EVERYONE seems to be more concerned about the color of things vs the act of what has taken place. Why is it that people seem to be so highly focused on such? Why is it not that people are focused on the importances of the true issue such as MAN RAPES WOMAN, MAN RAPES ANIMAL. I mean why can't everyone disregard the color of the victim or the color of the criminal. That seems the first thing people seem to flock to which in my head makes me think that the outsiders concern for the actual bad deed that was committed is very disingenuous. Its like there is no care or concern for the actual tragedy but only concern if it was done by a specific color, religion or if the criminal eats waffles or pancakes.

I don't know but it just seems a great deal of you are more concerned with the stupid chit instead of the actual crimes. Granted I could be wrong and honestly I do hope that I am very wrong but it just does not come across to me as such. I get the impression a great deal of not only some people here but people all across the US are more focused on what does not matter vs what should matter.

Maybe I am just in a mucked up mood. I don't know.
dstieger Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 3:00 PM EST
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I'm with you, Ewok. I don't disagree....and I accept some responsibility for driving this thread off the cliff....had it been in Politics, I'd have less remorse about that

A large portion of the anti-Trumpers say that they base a lot of their outrage on the FACT that Trump is racist. Unfortunately, since we're talking about the president and to some degree, aspects about the near-term future of the country, so the race conversation is out front....and it will stay there since reconciliation on this topic aint happening without something monumentally stupid coming out of his mouth in the next couple years
Speyside Offline
#55 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 5:14 PM EST
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Seems like your go to is ask for facts, define this, and so on. But you are right in one sense, it isn't worth discussing with you. My point of view will not change. It has nothing to do with being liberal. I think Trump is racist based on multiple actions of his that are verifiable.
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#56 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 5:28 PM EST
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I'll admit I skimmed ewoks post, but how did we get on the subject of r-wording pancakes?
dstieger Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 5:41 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Seems like your go to is ask for facts, define this, and so on.

LOL. You say that like it's a bad thing. A debate without facts or common understanding of terms and concepts is just an argument.
Speyside Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 5:52 PM EST
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LMAO! When people give them to you, you seem to do one of 2 things, ignore them or attempt to obfuscate them. You chose to focus on Trumps ad and compare it to a hypothetical statement about OJ. IMO complete BS. How many thousands of people saw that ad? When the 5 were found innocent why didn't Trump apologize in kind? If you made that statement about OJ a few people would have heard it. In no way comparable, just obfuscation on your part. Also, no comment about the judge whom Trump made an obvious racist comment about? We can play at this for weeks if you want.
Ewok126 Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 6:15 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'll admit I skimmed ewoks post, but how did we get on the subject of r-wording pancakes?


I R word pancakes every chance I get. Especially when they are loaded with Aunt Jemima. I mean that is some good smelling slickem right there. Gonz
opelmanta1900 Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 6:18 PM EST
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I'm a log cabin man myself...

#racist#gay
RMAN4443 Offline
#61 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 6:53 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'm a log cabin man myself...

#racist#gay

You racist!...you hate Aunt Jemima just because she's black....Anxious
delta1 Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 7:25 PM EST
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the current conversation about defining "racist" conveniently overlooks the history of this country that was steeped in racism...a history that includes legalizing the practice until about 50 years ago, in my lifetime....

It doesn't address the power relationship of the dominant race over the minority races, and the intended advantages and privileges accorded to the white majority and the intended disadvantages imposed upon the minorities...institutionalized racial advantages and practices that reached, importantly, to the main power centers of our nations corporate and political world...

It also ignores that anti-discrimination laws did not result in an even playing field nor did it cleanse the ill-will of a significant and substantial number of people, many at the highest rungs of our society who persist to this day... how does a 19 year old develop the hatred in his mind and soul to want to murder innocent Jews?

Saying black people or brown people or yellow people are racists is not equivalent to saying white people are racists, given that power dynamic as a context....
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