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Buckwheat Offline
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If the Muller report fully exonerates Trump why did he just invoke executive privilege to suppress the release of the full unredacted report?

Something doesn't add up.
One would think he would want the world to see how innocent he is of any and all wrong doing. fog
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted:
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Maybe it has nothing to do with substance and everything to do with politics.....just like the dems' demands.
NYT today :
"the Supreme Court has said there must be a link between the information and a legitimate task of Congress, like weighing whether a new law is needed. Lawmakers cannot use their subpoena power and expose private affairs simply to aggrandize investigators or punish a target."
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While that quote is correct dstieg... looks a little out of context. The quote apparently applies to questioning people testifying to congress.... (it was from a trial where someone was held in violation for not answering "are you a member of the communist party")... that may not really apply in regards to congress's request for existing reports.
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All I know is if the President decides an investigation into themselves is bogus because they dont think they did anything wrong they can shut it down (per Barr). If the Prez decides congress doesn't really need to provide oversight or look in to something the Prez can decide to not comply and shut it down.

These are just facts and I'd apply them no matter which person is in office because I'm neutral and not just rooting for a team.
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teedubbya wrote:
All I know is if the President decides an investigation into themselves is bogus because they dont think they did anything wrong they can shut it down (per Barr). If the Prez decides congress doesn't really need to provide oversight or look in to something the Prez can decide to not comply and shut it down.

These are just facts and I'd apply them no matter which person is in office because I'm neutral and not just rooting for a team.


It's not the President's decision on Congressional oversight. If it were then there wouldn't be any oversight. I'll agree that Congressional Oversight is not one of the enumerated powers under the Constitution. However, it is a key component of our long standing doctrine of the Separation of Powers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_oversight

No doubt this whole thing is political and in line with the Republican tactics during Clinton's impeachment. Beer
teedubbya Offline
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Sarcasm
delta1 Offline
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Barr's interpretation, then, negates the Constitutional authority providing for Checks and Balances of the executive branch, opening the door for an authoritarian POTUS, something that the Founding Fathers specifically wanted to avoid. The power to impeach members of the executive branch is the Congressional check, and should be used to counter an executive who abuses his power.

If the Dems in Congress are intent to expose wrong doing, high crimes and misdemeanors, and abuses of power by POTUS, the AG or any other member of the executive branch, they should initiate impeachment proceedings and settle any executive refusals to cooperate in court. Trump is daring them to do that, knowing that the Senate will not remove him from office. He is hoping to play the political game of deny and delay to turn public opinion in his favor, and solidify his chances to win re-election.

Given the political climate that Trump has created, where facts don't matter, it is entirely possible that all the damning evidence of his misconduct, stated clearly in the Mueller Report, will not register with enough voters to vote him out of office. McConnell has sent a loud signal that the evidence in the Mueller Report is inconsequential as far as the GOP is concerned.
dstieger Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Sarcasm
Is wasted on many.... literally
ZRX1200 Offline
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I’m just here for the consistent comments.....

So now we’re encouraging breaking the law?
Speyside Offline
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True, true. We elected Trump.
teedubbya Offline
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Who is encouraging that? I'm not following. (Edit... never mind, I get it. Its the Sarah Sanders line of logic)

But yes... WWRHD

What would rob halford do
teedubbya Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyxLGSMtqtM
delta1 Offline
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good licks...haven't heard that in a while...
izonfire Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Who is encouraging that? I'm not following. (Edit... never mind, I get it. Its the Sarah Sanders line of logic)

But yes... WWRHD

What would rob halford do



Probably bang a dude
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted:
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If we keep going this direction that will be breakin the law.
Abrignac Offline
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It appears that the Trump administration may want to force a SCOTUS showdown regarding the absence of any stipulated power granted by the Constitution to the legislative branch to investigate except impeachment. His reasoning may be that because he’s not facing impeachment proceedings then harassment is the DEM’s reason to subpoena his tax records. Suppose the SCOTUS rules in his favor then the DEM’s would have to duck their tails between their legs or risk potential embarrassment and negative voter sentiment should the impeachment proceedings turn out to be a big nothing burger.
teedubbya Offline
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Or they could be building a stronger case every time a subpoena is ignored. Who knows.

I think they will have his taxes soon. I think that part is one of their dumber ideas.
frankj1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Or they could be building a stronger case every time a subpoena is ignored. Who knows.

I think they will have his taxes soon. I think that part is one of their dumber ideas.

They will.
I really hope there is no impeachment, it would be devastating for the country. Yes, I'd like to see Trump voted out (not likely at this point) but I believe he will face a ton of problems once out of office.
teedubbya Offline
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Folks act like he never existed before his presidential run. He’s always been slimy.

I also don’t want an impeachment. I get the frustration that put him there. I also get not Hillary. I just want folks to wake up and move him along next election. The dudes a cancer. Always has been.
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pretty much, yeah.
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted:
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Follow the bouncing ball!!!!
Abrignac Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Folks act like he never existed before his presidential run. He’s always been slimy.

I also don’t want an impeachment. I get the frustration that put him there. I also get not Hillary. I just want folks to wake up and move him along next election. The dudes a cancer. Always has been.


I’d like to see someone with a similar agenda challenge him for the Republican nomination, but that won’t happen. So those of us slightly right or more of center will be left voting for him, staying home or voting for whatever looney tune the DEM’s nominate.

That said, I fear the 2020 election will be a regurgitation of the 2016 election.
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I just like to play the devil's advocate and be contrarian so please keep that in mind, but I think Trump is a perfect representative of the American people, and our true nature and values. What does America care about? Money and sex. What does Trump care about? Money and sex. What does he eat? Food from the most profitable fast food companies America has ever had. He's certainly not keeping them in business on his own. misspells words on Twitter? not the only won. Lies about his accomplishments? American pass time.
America First has been the unwritten law of our foreign policy for decades. Oh the fed gives away alot of money in foreign aid, sure, but that's not hard when it's not their own money. It's ours. And American corporations profit greatly from that.

People hate Trump because he does a lot of bad things that pretty much everyone else in power is guilty of, but he also has a lot of money, and doesn't apologize for anything. We don't want to know about the bad things our country does to stay on top. Our president is supposed to be the actor who plays the part of a man who has the values we all pretend to hold so dearly..

Beyond that, I've seen so many smart people become completely obsessed with him, with finding flaws in his character, collecting more evidence against him, as if we didn't all already know he is not a "good man". I just wonder what it was like when the world had very, very bad men taking massive action against us, how people reacted, if they were only fixated on the hatred they have for that enemy or if they were able to put it aside to find a way to win. Sadly today, people think having an opinion or knowing something is the same as actually doing things. They want rewards just for caring, without making sacrifices and working. The left may not realize it but that's the image they are portraying to those in the middle who will go with whoever gives them the most, every time.
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vanhalenps4 wrote:
I just like to play the devil's advocate and be contrarian so please keep that in mind, but I think Trump is a perfect representative of the American people, and our true nature and values. What does America care about? Money and sex. What does Trump care about? Money and sex. What does he eat? Food from the most profitable fast food companies America has ever had. He's certainly not keeping them in business on his own. misspells words on Twitter? not the only won. Lies about his accomplishments? American pass time.
America First has been the unwritten law of our foreign policy for decades. Oh the fed gives away alot of money in foreign aid, sure, but that's not hard when it's not their own money. It's ours. And American corporations profit greatly from that.

People hate Trump because he does a lot of bad things that pretty much everyone else in power is guilty of, but he also has a lot of money, and doesn't apologize for anything. We don't want to know about the bad things our country does to stay on top. Our president is supposed to be the actor who plays the part of a man who has the values we all pretend to hold so dearly..

Beyond that, I've seen so many smart people become completely obsessed with him, with finding flaws in his character, collecting more evidence against him, as if we didn't all already know he is not a "good man". I just wonder what it was like when the world had very, very bad men taking massive action against us, how people reacted, if they were only fixated on the hatred they have for that enemy or if they were able to put it aside to find a way to win. Sadly today, people think having an opinion or knowing something is the same as actually doing things. They want rewards just for caring, without making sacrifices and working. The left may not realize it but that's the image they are portraying to those in the middle who will go with whoever gives them the most, every time.

so, what?
You think you got a bigger tax return?
teedubbya Offline
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If the point is we get what we deserve yea we probably deserve a Kardashian presidency like we got.

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Maybe Trump wants to be impeached.
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Too much f*cking time spent chasing the President.
By the end of the Star investigation into Clinton I felt the same way.
There's not a billionaire or lifetime politician on earth who could stand up to 24/7 investigations for 4 straight years and come out looking clean in the eyes of their accusers.
Not one.


Look no further than the seemingly hundreds of outcasts that have left the Trump administration already.
Many have obvious disdain for the President.
Most have spoken of outlandish behavior.
Yet none have identified illegal actions worthy of the impeachment mantra that the left are drooling over.
Even the Mueller report doesn't live up to a smoking gun.
Obstruction will be the equivalent of nabbing Al Capone for tax evasion. It's a legal loop hole to account for the fact that there is nothing tangible otherwise. It's the loser's grasp at the last straw. Only it won't be the last straw. Because the TDS pandemic propagated by the MSM won't let it end. Ever.

The guy is an azz.
But there is no law against that.
And for that, many on the left should be thankful.


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teedubbya wrote:
If the point is we get what we deserve yea we probably deserve a Kardashian presidency like we got.




the transformation from TW into Victor is nearly complete
vanhalenps4 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
so, what?
You think you got a bigger tax return?


the bigger picture is these giant ideals of country and nation are doomed to fail when over 300 million people with very loose standards of conduct are grouped together, united, only by a federal government that changes direction 180 degrees every 4 or 8 years. Anyone who wants to be at the top of that pyramid scheme for a couple hundred grand a year has to be a little bit crazy. Only a megalomaniac would sign up for that job.
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teedubbya wrote:
If the point is we get what we deserve yea we probably deserve a Kardashian presidency like we got.


I can see that point of view if you're watching a lot of news or reading his Twitter account... But if you're a grown up and don't have time for the trolling nor the media's reaction to it, how do you come up with this?

Rather than links to some stuff other people said, I'd love to see a top 10 list of laws and policies that are on the books - as a result of trump - that change our everyday lives... That change anybody's everyday life... That do anything...

Because that's what a president boils down to - laws and policies... Not the way he acts, the things he tweets, the words he speaks... All that is chaff in the wind... It amounts to nothing in terms of its effect on you or I...

For what it's worth, I doubt anyone here, without Google, could come up with 10 laws or policies - good or bad - that any president has enacted... But everyone has a bunch of bad to say about 50% of them...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Well Joel we care more about childish name calling now.

We didn’t care about tapping phones and jailing the press before, that wasn’t dangerous to a free press. Sticks n stones n stuff
teedubbya Offline
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I did and do z.... i don't think something wrong before is justifiable now because so and so did it. If it was wrong then it is now (I'm looking at you Eric Holder). If it was ok then it's likely ok now.



As for the kardashian thing.... well there is the fact they (and kanye) have actually been in the oval office consulting and helping the Donald with policy. that's just a fact. it happened and is odd. We also had more than one reality show senior (direct to the Prez) adviser (Omarosa lol effin Omarosa) not including the fox pundants that have been hired on.


Opel I could come up with a list without looking anything up. I won't try 10 and folks will argue with every single one of them, which is fine. It will bog things down though (Forrest for the trees to my thoughts). I won't get sidetraced in that. Those are long conversations in themselves.

I don't blame the media or twitter for my thought process, I'm living and seeing and drawing conclusions. That's insulting and a way to discount others thoughts. It is actually the laziness it accuses others of.

Top of my head -

North Korea - elevated fatty fat fat to the level of the US President, claimed success when none is there. I actually view this as backwards progress. Any other president meeting with this schlub would have been vilified by the republican (and maybe democrat) party. I know 3D chess and stuff.

Iran - unilaterally through out a deal (legitimate to argue merit of deal) that was in place with many other countries who are still in the deal and escalated tensions. Ironically this reminds me very much of the blueprint for Iraq although I know several in here have cousins that saw all of Iraqs WMDs and Hans Blix was wrong. Keep claiming 3D chess.

Puerto Rico - continually lying saying they received 90+ billion in relief rather than just having an honest discussion that he doesn't think they deserve any coin due to corruption.

Taxes - I know many in here claim to have paid less this year and I am happy for them. I didn't. But more importantly even if there was relief for the small guy it's time limited but the relief for the big guys is permanent. I'm for less tax all around, but that didn't really happen.

A misc bucket - I see incompetence daily that I can not discuss in here, but it is evident in cabinate heads. I can't say much but I only throw it out there to inform of my personal filters/experience. It's not mainstream media or twitter.

Sort of the same as above ^ systematic attack on the ACA after a failed attempt to repeal. Trying to sabotage or destroy it from within with no fix in mind. Simply disgust for it. Again, the law is debatable in its merit.... I dislike it and always have. What is happening is disgusting.

Discarding rules of decorum, separation of powers and decency/respect for the office. Again we could get bogged down debating the details of this but its not the point. I believe in the sanctity and respect the office itself. To me it's why a BJ in the oval office is disturbing. I had problems with GWB but I admire his respect for the office. I expect that from our Prez and am not wiling to simply;y say oh its cool... just don't pay attention to twitter or the press. When the President of the US publicly demands investigations by the FBI or whomever on US citizens that's a problem. Demanding (or even questioning) publicly or otherwise that certain people get locked up that's a problem. Calling anyone treasonous is akin to calling for the death penalty. We should be more careful with that let alone the Prez. That doesn't even address singling out individual judges prior to their ruling in an attempt to invalidate their decision in advance. It's my bias but the person in that office should be a cut above JimmyCT.

The blanket stonewalling is something some probably cheer in terms of the game. I also know you see it as a metal detector and I respect that. I see it as something much more dangerous especially since the Senate through intentional actions Reid and McConnel) has been neutered from it's original intention as a deliberative body and is not doing it's job. Perhaps the pendulum will swing and this will be the catalyst for improvement but I'm skeptical.

Government ethics - already inadequate guardrails designed to separate personal gain or conflict of interest have been smashed when I want them fortified and improved. Not just at the top but much lower are following by example. I did see this in previous admins but this is much worse.

Import taxes. - We discussed if its long term thinking or short. I don't see much long term thinking from this guy but hope it's there. What I do see is a puncher and counter puncher and don't trust that it's logic over emotion. I see the damage this is doing to friends and family (mostly ag based). It's real. It's not just china. The presentation as the one and only one that can negotiate a deal followed by these types of things followed by proclaiming victory when it doesn't really bear fruit (see NK) bothers and worries me.

I won't wade in to the abortion issue because I can't lay that completely at his feet and it's been brewing for awhile. I certainly don't see decent leadership art the moment, but am not sure what really can be done. This may be a metal detector moment and may need to get ugly.

There is also the legislation that isn't getting done. Blame everyone.

I'll stop now. This was free flow off the top the head and may not make complete sense. I could come up with many more (not media or twitter driven). And I do have some things I am ok with and do see an over reaction from the clucking chickens on some things. But that wasn't the request.

Easily the worst president of my lifetime which I thought impossible given Carter, Nixon, Johnson and the big O. It's not even a competition. Not mainstream media or twitter driven. (I have tweeted once in my life... for Fantasy football reasons and do not have it on my phones or computers).
DrafterX Offline
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But at least he's not Hillary... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Opel I'm not going to edit it (I did correct a couple things on the first read) but forgive me if any of that seemed aggressive towards you or insulting. I respect you and your thoughts and certainly don't want to come off that way. It's not how I think. This is a lousy medium for this which is why I won't get hooked in to a point by point.

And yes drafter I do appreciate the not Hillary thought. I'm glad shes not in there too. What's odd though is some are really rushing to defend the indefensible and someone who at one time they were embarrassed to support but did because he wasn't Hillary. It seems after they got over the embarrassment hump they went all in (different than simply hoping for the best for America). Over time that becomes something more than not hillary.
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Those Bassards..,!! Mad
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teedubbya wrote:
Opel I'm not going to edit it (I did correct a couple things on the first read) but forgive me if any of that seemed aggressive towards you or insulting. I respect you and your thoughts and certainly don't want to come off that way. It's not how I think. This is a lousy medium for this which is why I won't get hooked in to a point by point.

And yes drafter I do appreciate the not Hillary thought. I'm glad shes not in there too. What's odd though is some are really rushing to defend the indefensible and someone who at one time they were embarrassed to support but did because he wasn't Hillary. It seems after they got over the embarrassment hump they went all in (different than simply hoping for the best for America). Over time that becomes something more than not hillary.

This aggression will not stand, man...

I've been to the school, the shoe store, the donut shop, and the cigar shop - all with a 4 year old tagging along - since I visited this thread.. I have no idea what I wrote previously... My apologies if it was insulting... It wasn't meant to be... unless it was about Drafter...
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OhMyGod
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
This aggression will not stand, man...

I've been to the school, the shoe store, the donut shop, and the cigar shop - all with a 4 year old tagging along - since I visited this thread.. I have no idea what I wrote previously... My apologies if it was insulting... It wasn't meant to be... unless it was about Drafter...



It wasn't. Even towards drafter unfortunately.
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted:
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everyone is entitled to his own opinion...regardless of how stupid, insulting, ill-conceived and/or wrong-headed...

but where is the consistency of values?

if Hillary did any/all of the things Trump has done, or is being investigated for, would his supporters give her a pass?

would those anti-Trump feel the same if it was Hillary in the cross-hairs...(I hope so)
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#40 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
everyone is entitled to his own opinion...regardless of how stupid, insulting, ill-conceived and/or wrong-headed...

but where is the consistency of values?

if Hillary did any/all of the things Trump has done, or is being investigated for, would his supporters give her a pass?

would those anti-Trump feel the same if it was Hillary in the cross-hairs...(I hope so)

Sorry cigar lady... Al says no opinion for you... Crying
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted:
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Trump is being accused but there is no crime... Hillary committed crimes.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted:
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That’s just dumb. Intentionally, but dumb.
vanhalenps4 Offline
#43 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I did and do z.... i don't think something wrong before is justifiable now because so and so did it. If it was wrong then it is now (I'm looking at you Eric Holder). If it was ok then it's likely ok now.

As for the kardashian thing.... well there is the fact they (and kanye) have actually been in the oval office consulting and helping the Donald with policy. that's just a fact. it happened and is odd. We also had more than one reality show senior (direct to the Prez) adviser (Omarosa lol effin Omarosa) not including the fox pundants that have been hired on.

Taxes - I know many in here claim to have paid less this year and I am happy for them. I didn't. But more importantly even if there was relief for the small guy it's time limited but the relief for the big guys is permanent. I'm for less tax all around, but that didn't really happen.

Discarding rules of decorum, separation of powers and decency/respect for the office. Again we could get bogged down debating the details of this but its not the point. I believe in the sanctity and respect the office itself. To me it's why a BJ in the oval office is disturbing. I had problems with GWB but I admire his respect for the office. I expect that from our Prez and am not wiling to simply;y say oh its cool... just don't pay attention to twitter or the press. When the President of the US publicly demands investigations by the FBI or whomever on US citizens that's a problem. Demanding (or even questioning) publicly or otherwise that certain people get locked up that's a problem. Calling anyone treasonous is akin to calling for the death penalty. We should be more careful with that let alone the Prez. That doesn't even address singling out individual judges prior to their ruling in an attempt to invalidate their decision in advance. It's my bias but the person in that office should be a cut above JimmyCT.

The blanket stonewalling is something some probably cheer in terms of the game. I also know you see it as a metal detector and I respect that. I see it as something much more dangerous especially since the Senate through intentional actions Reid and McConnel) has been neutered from it's original intention as a deliberative body and is not doing it's job. Perhaps the pendulum will swing and this will be the catalyst for improvement but I'm skeptical.

Government ethics - already inadequate guardrails designed to separate personal gain or conflict of interest have been smashed when I want them fortified and improved. Not just at the top but much lower are following by example. I did see this in previous admins but this is much worse.


I'll stop now. This was free flow off the top the head and may not make complete sense. I could come up with many more (not media or twitter driven). And I do have some things I am ok with and do see an over reaction from the clucking chickens on some things. But that wasn't the request.

Easily the worst president of my lifetime which I thought impossible given Carter, Nixon, Johnson and the big O. It's not even a competition. Not mainstream media or twitter driven. (I have tweeted once in my life... for Fantasy football reasons and do not have it on my phones or computers).


I completely agree with you if we are judging him as a man who actually wanted to do a good job.

My belief is that he is there to set an example for justification to neuter the power of the Federal government.
From day one his position on almost everything has been "This government is nothing but a pain in everyone's neck and we need to stop it as much as possible". That was my impression during the debates and has somewhat been diluted by his own ego and those around him including in Congress. I have never thought he was there to be a good president, but to make a mockery of it all, and show how easily the presidency, in its current form, can be corrupted. For that he has done well so far within boundaries, it would really show in his second term...
What he didn't expect was for so few people to agree with him, and for so many to oppose him.. The same people on the left who were saying the entire system needed to be overhauled and corporate owned governments overthrown for some kind of socialistic anarchy; a few months later they are blasting Trump for walking a few steps ahead of the Queen! And oh he did not bow deeply enough, he doesn't kiss rings properly, the savage! At that point I saw that people were just picking every single little flaw and what Congress was doing for corporations, taking away our regulations that mostly kept us safe, that was ignored.

I think the idea of the presidency, in this day and age, is simply ridiculous. One single man is too flawed, by his very nature, to do what is expected of him. A step in the right direction would be to have four people, two from each party(if we're still going to have 2 parties), who have to come to a compromise on each and every issue, and do what is expected of them. That's not a perfect solution by any means, and would have its own problems of course. Most would not be able to do it. But it would set an example for everyone else, to compromise with each other as we are united as one people. I think a lot of windows would shift if being polar opposite was no longer the norm, so it would not be the same debate as it is now.

Maybe we just see what we want to see. I don't give it much mind anymore. It's easy to see when someone is just trying to take your attention away and put on a show.
delta1 Offline
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would be somewhat valid, if not for all the self-dealing, cronyism and quid pro quo, with little concern for actual qualifications for the posts, in cabinet and high level appointments...belies his pledge to drain the swamp and help the average American....this is the most swampy and corrupt administration in modern times...
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#45 Posted:
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Quote:
everyone is entitled to his own opinion.


opelmanta1900 wrote:
Sorry cigar lady... Al says no opinion for you... Crying


Maybe she can identify as a man for this post. Think
delta1 Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Sorry cigar lady... Al says no opinion for you... Crying



oops...shoulda been a their there...
vanhalenps4 Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 05-01-2019
Posts: 89
delta1 wrote:
would be somewhat valid, if not for all the self-dealing, cronyism and quid pro quo, with little concern for actual qualifications for the posts, in cabinet and high level appointments...belies his pledge to drain the swamp and help the average American....this is the most swampy and corrupt administration in modern times...


Drain the swamp... forgot all about that.
I don't think helping the average american is part of the plan, just clearing the way for corporate fascism of some sort. Not the nazi variety
frankj1 Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 27,399
strain the swamp

and keep the big pieces
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