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fishinguitarman Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 8:47 AM EST
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This is the reason we have shootings like this... too many people that are heartless and gutless cowards
tailgater Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 9:26 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
read my post again, and then quote the part where I said today's America is like Hitler's Germany...


You used 1940's Germany as your rhetorical.

Why didn't you use 1980's Canada? Or 1800's England?

You chose a specific comparison.

Own it.
tailgater Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 9:34 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Look at you trying to use misanthropy to justify racism. You'll really try anything won't you.

Don't give me bs crocodile tears about innocent lives. Neither of us cares about the people killed.


No tears needed to point out your shallow character.

One need not "care" about the individuals to show compassion for the survivors and their families.

Funny how you don't care one lick about innocent lives lost, but you scream at the top of your lungs when YOU perceive racism.
It's all about how Victor feels.
fishinguitarman Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 9:38 AM EST
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ZRX1200 Offline
#105 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 3:38 PM EST
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Hey Al.....

https://youtu.be/UPLQNUVmq3o

You can hang your hat on these pronoun corrects to stand tall.....
delta1 Offline
#106 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 3:55 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You used 1940's Germany as your rhetorical.

Why didn't you use 1980's Canada? Or 1800's England?

You chose a specific comparison.

Own it.


quote the part where I said we're like that...
frankj1 Offline
#107 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 4:07 PM EST
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Joe, you simply misread the post.
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 4:13 PM EST
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Yea I don’t read it that way either.

As for 101, enough about Trump. He’s gutless and a coward but you can’t blame him directly. He has really never been among the common folk, is a draft dodger, never really needed to work a day of his life, and a life long Democrat.

But it’s not his fault he’s a gutless coward.
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#109 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 6:08 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
quote the part where I said we're like that...


He can't. And he won't respond. In his mind he knows exactly what you meant to say, even if it isn't anything close to what you said. And he'll stick with that until the end.
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#110 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 6:16 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
No tears needed to point out your shallow character.

One need not "care" about the individuals to show compassion for the survivors and their families.

Funny how you don't care one lick about innocent lives lost, but you scream at the top of your lungs when YOU perceive racism.
It's all about how Victor feels.



What's your point? That I'm a logical rational person?

Racism or any other similar discrimination damages lives in a large scale manner.

30 individual lives statistically have nearly zero impact on our country.

I look at the bigger picture. I'm sorry if you're too emotional to be able to get past 0.4% of the total deaths in the US that day to be able to look at the bigger picture.

But that makes sense, because you can't get past your emotional feelings about someone else's identifying something as racism.
delta1 Offline
#111 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 6:46 PM EST
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anybody ever compile a photo lineup of all the mass murderers in the US since the 1960's, when all men were deemed equal under the law?

not just the perpetrators of mass murders in one episode of gun violence, but including all serial killers...
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#112 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 9:28 PM EST
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I feel a “400 years of institutional racism” post coming.....
frankj1 Offline
#113 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019, 9:32 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I feel a “400 years of institutional racism” post coming.....

is this the new 400?
tailgater Offline
#114 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 7:44 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:


the triumphant war against White Nationalism at its extreme, Nazi Germany, was considered a great moment in our history and the Americans who won it were considered the Greatest Generation...a close look shows there were racists and bigots among them...

would America rise up today to defeat the Fourth Reich? an open question given the politics of the day....


Yup.

I did misread the full context.

Sorry for that Al.
fishinguitarman Offline
#115 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 9:07 AM EST
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Group hug?
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#116 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 9:58 AM EST
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I actually think it’s an interesting thought. Presumably (and I’d say inarguably) the military fighting in Germany contained some bigots. Given the times I’d say more than we’d like to admit. I think it’s pretty well documented. And yet we did fight as a unit against the nazis.

While there are still bigots and racism it is better today and I’d assume there are fewer in the military today than then. When you talk racism, things are relative. It is better today but I don’t get when folks try to pretend somehow it’s great. It still exists.

As to Als question. Yes, we would rise up to someone else (another country) doing what hitler did. But we were not doing so to fight white nationalists or racism. We went along with that by keeping immigrants seeking asylum out (the St. Louis comes to mind).

We fought hitler only after he attacked our allies and even then only after his ally attacked us (arguably because we wanted them to, to provide political cover to the anti interventionists.

I’d say we were not really fighting white nationalism at all. That just happened to be a component not the purpose. An afterthought.

We’ve never had a thirst for fighting racism or nationalism. It just sort of happens when convenient or forced. So yes I think in a similar situation we would do the same, just not for the identified reason.
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:01 AM EST
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I’m trying to think of a time where we really stood up as a country to racism elsewhere in the world. Maybe Bosnia?
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#118 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:04 AM EST
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So....its complicated?

At least when Union soldiers were pulling the triggers, the aim of each one was to achieve justice for blacks
tailgater Offline
#119 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:05 AM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Naked Group hug?


Perv
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#120 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:08 AM EST
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teedubbya Offline
#121 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:09 AM EST
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I believe a good number of our population and business leaders actually supported hitler. I’m not going to take the time to look but I think the Kennedy family may have been among them.

It’s taboo but it’s not a stretch to believe many in the political arena at the moment would have and maybe would support him. Not with the 20/20 hindsight of the final solution but with what was known at the moment.

I can hear “what’s wrong with getting along?” Anais not because of the racism. That part is and was largely irrelevant.
teedubbya Offline
#122 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:13 AM EST
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Dsteiger I’m not sure that’s even true. The civil war wasn’t completely about slavery or blacks. That’s the romantic picture but not really the reality of the day.

Union soldiers were not necessarily fighting for blacks and there was plenty of racism and bigotry in the ranks. And blacks fighting for both sides for various reasons.

I don’t really view the civil war as as a fight for civil rights. That was almost an afterthought for Lincoln let alone others.
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:16 AM EST
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As I reread Dst I think that’s probably what you were getting at.
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#124 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:46 AM EST
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When you're an advanced disciple of the Church of Sarcasm, one of the benefits is that you can be right when you're wrong....only force the interpretation when your argument is slipping...or simpletons think they aren't confused about what you said.....important tenet: in confusion, there's opportunity
teedubbya Offline
#125 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 10:53 AM EST
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That’s trumps MO. It allows him to have it both ways and his maggots to argue semantics and believe they are right.
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#126 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 11:01 AM EST
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True.

If only he used sarcasm instead of smugness to go about it, I'd probably appreciate him more
teedubbya Offline
#127 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 11:11 AM EST
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Yea. I get the distinction and you are right.
dstieger Offline
#128 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 11:12 AM EST
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Back to feelings Trumping reality.....wtf is with all the Bagojevich news? How does his wife get so much time on Fox? Why is anyone the least bit sympathetic to that POS? Is Trump actually considering commutation? Because what? He liked the way Blago's wife's begs him on tv? If ever someone was a swamp creature, its Blagojevich
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#129 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 11:14 AM EST
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Well the whole issue was selling Obama’s senate seat and trump is obsessed with Obama. Plus there is the apprentice.
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#130 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 11:22 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
"This is part of the dark underbelly of American society. The racism, the bigotry and the entire conversation that we’re having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then I’m afraid that the Democrats are going to see some very dark days."

- Marianne Williamson


She must have looked inside the box. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjaAxUO6-Uw

Beer
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#131 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 12:12 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yup.

I did misread the full context.

Sorry for that Al.



we're good, Buddy...Herfing Beer
victor809 Offline
#132 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 2:07 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
anybody ever compile a photo lineup of all the mass murderers in the US since the 1960's, when all men were deemed equal under the law?

not just the perpetrators of mass murders in one episode of gun violence, but including all serial killers...


I don't know if this was done... maybe I'll do a little searching.
But there is always a bit of a problem when assembling "mass murderers"... definition is a bit sticky, as if you're just tracking "lot's of kills in a short time" you get weird gang fights or abusive fathers who kill their whole families... which are much different than someone randomly shooting up a crowd of people they are completely unassociated with.
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#133 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 2:13 PM EST
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https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass-shooter-demographics-part-2/

Here's an interesting study. Actually breaks down types of mass murder. This data set actually tally's white males as only 50-ish% of the mass murderers in the "public" category, but it acknowledges that this number can change when the definition of the mass murder is changed. Some interesting data.

Of course, it has one of the funniest and most "American" lines in the article: "A full year of mass shootings would be too many to quickly and efficiently analyze, so I chose the most recent full month (in this case, January 2019), which would presumably be fairly representative of other months. "
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#134 Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2019, 3:27 PM EST
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It’s crazy that peeps WITHOUT FEELINGS would post on a thread that has “feelings” in the title 😢
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