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Mississippi Ice Raids
JadeRose Offline
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So ICE rounds up close to 700 illegal immigrants at Koch Foods plants in Mississippi. Ok.....I'm not here to argue the merits of that....What I DO want to know is why the owner and CEO...a Chicago billionaire named Joseph Grendys, is also not cooling his heels in a jail cell right now?



This is the $hit that's gotta change. This f*ck belongs in a prison.
Phil222 Offline
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I read about this story yesterday and was wondering the same thing. The article I read didn't even mention the owner.
fishinguitarman Offline
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I agree. He is the CEO and didn’t know that he had 700 illegals employed? No freakin way!!!
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Goes far beyond the owner and ceo... Human resource directors, managers, they all share blame and should all face charges...

Employing illegal immigrants is par for the course in the food industry... Keeps prices low...

I say round em all up so we can start buying all that stuff from China...
JadeRose Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Goes far beyond the owner and ceo... Human resource directors, managers, they all share blame and should all face charges...

Employing illegal immigrants is par for the course in the food industry... Keeps prices low...

I say round em all up so we can start buying all that stuff from China...




While I don't disagree, it starts at the top. It's his company. He sets policy and sets the tone. He's the one that belongs in prison
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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wai....whaaaat?

someone stole Made in America opel...bring him back you thieving kidnapper...


when will we round up Millions, like Trump promised...


seriously, we should be doing much more of this, along with jailing some employers and their agents, and deciding if a "legal guest worker immigration program" would be better...
JadeRose Offline
#7 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
wai....whaaaat?



$hit'd be different if Ol' Jade ran the world
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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jumpin off the opel for POTUS in 2020 bandwagon...


gettin on the JadeRose for POTUS in 2020 train...
Phil222 Offline
#9 Posted:
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“$hit will be different” would be a great campaign slogan.
MACS Offline
#10 Posted:
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Yep... 680 is a start, but I agree the owner needs to pay a fine so large it will make him never want to employ another illegal.

Prison? Nah, he'll hire a lawyer and do easy time, if any. Fine him and make it hurt so bad it's just barely better to restart than to fold up.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#11 Posted:
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iirc last guy who owned a company that got caught up in this did 18 months...
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted:
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Trump wants a wall. A physical barrier.
I've maintained all along that a "virtual wall" would be a superior option.
Make it so it's not worth it cross illegally.
No services. NONE.
You want medical or food for your kid? Fine. Hop aboard the shuttle and we'll tend to you on your way home.
You want a job? Fine. Work for an employer who risks hefty fines AND mandatory sentencing and see how many are willing to hire you.

If we do this right we'll need to dismantle the wall just to let them back out.

Speyside Offline
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So you think stockholders know of hiring illegals and should be punished by reduced dividends. Also you are good with legal employees potentially suffering due to decreased wages to pay for the hefty fine. And you would legalize giving them health care creating a revolving border crossing whenever they needed healthcare. When did you convert to the Looney left?
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted:
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Who you talking to?
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted:
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I’m with tail. A virtual wall makes more sense.

I disagree with Macs. Fines are a cost of doing business. Prison is a deterrent.

If you want illegal immigration to be criminal rather than civil I think hiring them should be too.
Phil222 Offline
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Spey, I heard on the news that one of these illegal workers was 14. Let’s pretend this kid is walking home from work because he’s not old enough to drive and gets hit by a car.

Do we provide him with free care or ship him back to where he’s from broken to pieces? What if someone is crossing the border illegally and gets badly injured by one of our agents? Do they deserve free treatment? Would treating either of these people really be the cause of a revolving door problem at our border?

I’m not making a moral judgement here. I’m just curious as to where you’re at on the issue of free healthcare for illegals?
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delta1 wrote:
jumpin off the opel for POTUS in 2020 bandwagon...


gettin on the JadeRose for POTUS in 2020 train...

This is cold Al... You haven't even heard my "pot in every chicken, donut in every hole" speech yet... Not talking
dstieger Offline
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Phil222 wrote:
Spey, I heard on the news that one of these illegal workers was 14. Let’s pretend this kid is walking home from work because he’s not old enough to drive and gets hit by a car.

Do we provide him with free care or ship him back to where he’s from broken to pieces? What if someone is crossing the border illegally and gets badly injured by one of our agents? Do they deserve free treatment? Would treating either of these people really be the cause of a revolving door problem at our border?

I’m not making a moral judgement here. I’m just curious as to where you’re at on the issue of free healthcare for illegals?



If feasible, you treat them and send the bill to the employer.

Used to be some nasty stories of employers of illegals that totally blew off workmans' comp cases, because they knew the risk of the injured reporting anything was zero.

In addition to penalizing (jail, fine, death...haven't chosen sides yet), in addition to convicting for hiring illegals, I hope Homeland brings along DOL and IRS to investigate and punish for every associated labor and tax violation as well.
teedubbya Offline
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Jade/Kanye 2020.

Opel can be sec of State with snoop dogg as his deputy.
Phil222 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
If feasible, you treat them and send the bill to the employer.

Used to be some nasty stories of employers of illegals that totally blew off workmans' comp cases, because they knew the risk of the injured reporting anything was zero.

In addition to penalizing (jail, fine, death...haven't chosen sides yet), in addition to convicting for hiring illegals, I hope Homeland brings along DOL and IRS to investigate and punish for every associated labor and tax violation as well.

I agree, D. I’ve been pondering some of these questions myself and that’s why I brought it up.
dstieger Offline
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Or, perhaps Opel would rather be Health and Human Services.....Dennis Rodman for Sec of State
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I just got like 6 demotions and i haven't even gotten the first job yet...
dstieger Offline
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shoulda put that you were indian on your application
teedubbya Offline
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Maybe Opel should be hizzy and urban development.
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JadeRose wrote:
So ICE rounds up close to 700 illegal immigrants at Koch Foods plants in Mississippi. Ok.....I'm not here to argue the merits of that....What I DO want to know is why the owner and CEO...a Chicago billionaire named Joseph Grendys, is also not cooling his heels in a jail cell right now?



This is the $hit that's gotta change. This f*ck belongs in a prison.


It's obvious why this is the case. He's a billionaire, so the normal rules/laws do not apply. The powers that be would do anything to keep the their own out of trouble. People with that much money have friends in high places that don't want the attention that bringing him to justice would bring. The system is rigged in their favor. ram27bat
delta1 Offline
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pot's gonna need a little sweetening, but I do like the donut in every hole promise, opel...
delta1 Offline
#27 Posted:
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just read some background on the ICE raids in Mississippi...

some of the detained illegals have been in the country so long, they have children who are US citizens...most have worked for many years, living and contributing to their communities ...haven't seen any reports of whether any have a criminal record, let alone are rapists or murderers...

should we deport the illegal adults along with their families? we've deported citizens before...
dstieger Offline
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delta1 wrote:


should we deport the illegal adults along with their families? we've deported citizens before...



? Not sure I understand the question, delta.

delta1 Offline
#29 Posted:
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inartfully stated question: We will be deporting the illegal immigrants captured in the raid. What will we do with an American-born child of one of these illegals?
dstieger Offline
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No clue.

I guess it probably is complicated....may depend on answer to half dozen or more questions...
If the child is a citizen: does the parent/child get a choice stay/go? Is another parent here? If so, are they here legally? If the child is not a citizen, then what...send them with?

To bad these people are putting their kids at such risk
delta1 Offline
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It is complicated...prolly why we don't have any consensus on a workable solution...whatever we decide to do, will we maintain our human values and ideals?
dstieger Offline
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shouldn't be too hard now that we've dropped them considerably
victor809 Offline
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Interesting bit of information...
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/08/01/koch-foods-mississippi-pay-3-75-m-settle-discrimination-lawsuits/875688002/

The Kochs just lost a 3.75 MM lawsuit for discrimination against female hispanic workers at that plant.

And just a little later they get ICE to come by and round them up?
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
inartfully stated question: We will be deporting the illegal immigrants captured in the raid. What will we do with an American-born child of one of these illegals?


So you're asking if we should reward parents for having an anchor baby.


tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Interesting bit of information...
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/08/01/koch-foods-mississippi-pay-3-75-m-settle-discrimination-lawsuits/875688002/

The Kochs just lost a 3.75 MM lawsuit for discrimination against female hispanic workers at that plant.

And just a little later they get ICE to come by and round them up?


How do you say "karma" in spanish?

victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
How do you say "karma" in spanish?


I'm guessing "retribution" is a more accurate term.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
I'm guessing "retribution" is a more accurate term.


That doesn't sound spanish.

Phil222 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Interesting bit of information...
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/08/01/koch-foods-mississippi-pay-3-75-m-settle-discrimination-lawsuits/875688002/

The Kochs just lost a 3.75 MM lawsuit for discrimination against female hispanic workers at that plant.

And just a little later they get ICE to come by and round them up?

This does raise some very interesting questions. The end of the article made it sound like more lawsuits were coming. Edit: Nevermind. That was from 2011.
DrafterX Offline
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Retributiono.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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Phil222 wrote:
This does raise some very interesting questions. The end of the article made it sound like more lawsuits were coming. Edit: Nevermind. That was from 2011.


The big question I see is whether the deportations were retribution from the kochs for demanding a non-discriminatory workplace, or whether the deportations were because someone uncovered some information during the lawsuit investigation that led them to report to ICE.

Seems unlikely it is unrelated at all (but maybe it is)
Phil222 Offline
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If you’re in the country illegally, can you still sue your employer? Might be a way to prevent future lawsuits. Maybe show people what happens if you complain. Maybe revenge? Just spitballing here...
victor809 Offline
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Phil222 wrote:
If you’re in the country illegally, can you still sue your employer? Might be a way to prevent future lawsuits. Maybe show people what happens if you complain. Maybe revenge? Just spitballing here...


I honestly don't know that answer. I have a suspicion you can. But you obviously then expose yourself as illegal and subject to removal. But I bet employers are still required by law to not discriminate against all employees.

If I had to hazard a guess (and this is just a guess) the employer got used to no repercussions for their behavior due to the illegal nature of a large number of their employees, and then continued treating some of their legal employees that way.
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted:
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why couldn't those people have come from Norway?
victor809 Offline
#44 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
why couldn't those people have come from Norway?


Norwegians wouldn't put up with those work conditions.
delta1 Offline
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yah...Norwegians prolly think that is a hot sh:thole state...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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does anyone know what kind of illegal unemployment was taking place at this company?

I know one way this happens is the illegal labor force is supplied by a third party employment contractor... I think this pretty much makes the company innocent in the eyes of the law if this is the case.. the employment contractor would be on the hook I believe...

another path is obviously for the illegal workers to simply provide false info that's never verified... definitly takes some cooperation on the part of the company in this scenario... especially when it comes to check writing time...

a third and more egregious path would be the company paying their workers in cash or checks written out to cash, hr records either falsified or not kept at all, and come tax time - a lowballed guessing game...

600+ workers... that's a lot of false information to accurately keep track of...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
yah...Norwegians prolly think that is a hot sh:thole state...

you got evidence pointing to the contrary?
delta1 Offline
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Whistlebritches Offline
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We never resolve this issue without punishing the employer...…..SEVERELY
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