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impossible to quantify that statement, actually.
Is it impossible that a lunatic in the throes of homicidal thought was unable to purchase the weapon of choice in certain states...and ran naked into a forest instead?

The specifics? Yes, impossible to identify to prevent future attacks.
The generalities? Meh... you probably could prevent future attacks if you targeted specific general groups.

But i've never once suggested we should try to prevent future attacks.

I just enjoy mocking the white nationalist apologists when they go on a shooting spree. I would never once suggest we start preemptively trying to prevent these shootings... that would 100% be anti-american.

After the fact? Yeah, we should label people for who they are so we can mock their ideologies and people who share their ideologies. You know... our precious little past and future shooters and dear orange leader.

The gunman who fatally shot nine people -- including his sister -- and injured more than two dozen  in Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday was “anti-Second Amendment” and “never spit out a conservative opinion on gun control,” according to a former classmate and friend.

The 24-year-old gunman, who was killed by police less than a minute after he opened fire with an AR-15-style rifle outside a crowded bar, attended Bellbrook High School with Will El-Fakir, the Dayton Daily News reported. Although Fox News has identified him, neither his name nor his photo are being aired or published unless necessary for clarity.

El-Fakir told the paper he stopped talking to him five months ago after the future killer held a gun to his head.

El-Fakir told the paper that his former pal was “definitely not a right-leaning person. His political views definitely leaned to the left. And believe it or not, he was actually pro-gun control. He was actually anti-Second Amendment.”

“I don’t know if this is the motive that made him snap,” El-Fakir told the Dayton Daily News.

In the last months of their friendship, El-Fakir said his troubled friend was getting violent with pals and surveyed bars as good places to do “damage.”

A Twitter feed which appears to have belonged to the suspect also showed left-leaning tweets lamenting the 2016 election of President Trump. The account @iamthespookster didn't bear his name, but did show selfies that resembled known photos of him.

Twitter took the account down late Sunday, fueling speculation that it belonged to the gunman. The killer also appeared to support 2020 Democratic presidential contender Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, according to The Associated Press.

Film at 11...

Just shows how hard it will be to profile these guys to stop their attacks by looking at social media, etc.

I don't advocate for you or anyone else reading something you don't want to read...

Where I apparently disagree with you and most others here is that reading this shouldn't be taboo and posting it shouldn't be viewed as anything other than discussing...

The idea that these perpetrators are doing this for attention - nevermind the fact that the majority of them don't expect to live through their actions - is as debunked as the video game lie...

When I was a teenager, my dad didn't want me studying evolution... He had no problem with me learning about it in school, but he disliked my extra curricular study of it....

My guess is that my dad had the same issue with evolution that you have with this young mans diatribe... You fear it's a bad idea for which you have no rebuttal...

I have no such fears... I acknowledge the reality that there are a ton of bad ideas in the world I've never encountered and to which I likely have no counter... But I'm willing - anxious even - to encounter them...

Bad ideas - above all - should be discussed to exhaustion... It's how we often stumble upon the good ones...

apples/oranges.
many laws actually do work as intended, mostly on rational people though.


But you said no gun law ever saved a life.
I said impossible to quantify...as in you have no idea if thousands have been saved due to determined mass shooters being unable to purchase firearms where the laws may have worked.

how many lives have been saved by fear of the death penalty? if someone is gonna snap, they're gonna snap.

SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
We're trying to stick with a white nationalist theme here!
Get with the program...

I got confused....I thought the gun discussion was in the threepeat thread...isn't this the nutjob and supremacist thread?.....I can't keep up some days

That has actually not proven to be correct.

The past 20 years has been an experiment in discussing bad and dumb ideas to death. It's called the internet. If anything, we've seen an increase in these idiots acting on dumb ideas.

I don't advocate shutting anything down, I'm fine with people discussing dumb ideas in a public forum. But it has appeared to me that this has normalized the ideas. The people with these ideas don't feel isolated and "wrong", instead they're finding a few thousand people across the nation with the same dumb idea and that emboldens them.

If you want to take a less controversial stance, think of your flat-earthers.... 20 years ago they were conspiracy freaks who lived in basements somewhere and never discussed their dumb idea with anyone else. Now, they have been able to connect with other idiots around the US/world and have public gatherings to meet once a year. They reinforce each other's dumb ideas and shelter each other from having to actually learn the truth.

We were probably better off when neo nazis and flat-earthers didn't feel like they had a place in society. But that's fine...

Quite the opposite... 20 years ago they sat in their parents basement unopposed because few people knew they existed...

Now, their bad opinions have seen the light of logic... Few people are unaware of the existence of flat earthers or the flaws in their beliefs... They're a dying breed, soon to be extinct, or at the very least, long dormant...

My problem is they used to be the fringe. Now they’ve been mainstreamed and too many folks are comfortable with the overlap.

They used to be easier to identify because good folks used to run from them like the plague. The communication mechanism is secondary or tertiary to me.

Who is seeing more of them? And more of them than when?

Check YouTube... There was a surge... It has passed... They're not dying... Their dumb ideas are...

I mean.... maybe I'm wrong, but they have annual gatherings. This is not normal for something that's fringey and being mocked into obsolescence.

I don't see any evidence it's dying out... you seem to think it is. I'm curious why.

Dunno.
Fewer videos posted doesn't mean fewer people believe.... I can't find any good data.... wikipedia says there's an "internet resurgence" but I don't see hard data to back it up. There was some .gov survey done a few years ago, but it doesn't have historical data to compare to... so the results are useless from an "increasing/decreasing" standpoint.

There are a number of societies mentioned in the wikipedia site, so I'm sure if we were to track membership to these societies that would tell us if it's increasing or decreasing... but that's a lot of effort.

what I'm getting at is this... even if they're a bunch of idiots putting out ridiculous youtube videos that you don't find credible... doesn't mean others won't buy in. We've watch people buy in to some of the most nonsensical crap ever in the past years... hell, you can look at the manifesto starting this thread.... that's not the writings of someone with strong decision making skills.

As for the press if I remember right just last week an ex fbi official wrote something to the effect that there’s been a spike in activity, a hesitancy to address it and we can expect violence. His timing was gratuitous but he was right.

Can’t remember his name but I’ll find it. I read it and blew it off but then remembered it following the shooting.

1) post 9/11 stats say that approximately the same number of lives have been lost on American soil to Islamic terrorism
as from loosely (if at all) connected groups of far right ideologists...102 and 109 since 2002.

However, the Feds do not spend anything even close to the same in terms of money. weapons, manpower, intelligence efforts...and the position of top counterterrorism adviser was downgraded last year so that they no longer report directly to the president (from interview with Lisa Monaco who held that position under Obama).

The point is not if right wing or left wing fringe lunatics are worse than the other side, it's that the Feds are not nearly as concerned about domestic terrorism.

2) I may be in the vast minority (until recent events) but I have known for a long time that Jewish watchdog groups that keep tabs on the up and down activity of nazi and other superiority style hate groups' activity has been met with yawns for years...have even heard/read irritated pleas for the Jews to stop using their bleating to create guilt about a "dead" issue.
So I never thought it was eradicated.

Constant vigilance is the only way to protect the freedoms we don't always like to bestow on others...their freedom to think and say is protected...but not their painful or murderous actions.

I may edit after posting as my thoughts were flooded, so hold off for a minute or two...

Why is the fbi meeting with flat earth people?

chit, man. you can say anything to me.

we could always allow law enforcement to randomly stop and frisk, or search houses etc in our search for safety.
But then we'd have the freedom of your typical Putin supporter. Oops, I meant Fatty fat, oops, I did it again.

I'm not sure laws are preventive, but I don't think throwing in jay walking in a discussion like this does more than obscure the specifics here.

and at this point, I must confess that I'd have to reread the thread to remember what point I am defending.
My last drink tasted like...another.

fatty can hit the high notes

This.

We hold our lives too precious.

If they share any similarities in ideologies, then they’re all Nazis

FBI and DoJ recently announced the serious threat of domestic terrorism/violence to the US by white supremacist organizations...full circle...we're back to where we were pre-9-1-1...