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delta1 Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Aug 16 2019, 4:27 PM EST
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Dayton PD said the shooter fired 41 shots in 32 seconds....


100 per minute doesn't sound so far fetched, does it?
victor809 Offline
#102 Posted: Fri, Aug 16 2019, 5:00 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Dayton PD said the shooter fired 41 shots in 32 seconds....


100 per minute doesn't sound so far fetched, does it?


Sounds like the dayton PD needs to learn how to fire 200 shots per minute!
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Fri, Aug 16 2019, 5:43 PM EST
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Sounds like upper edge of 80 and nowhere near 400
delta1 Offline
#104 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 4:04 PM EST
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400 was prolly a number with modifications: illegal bumpstocks?
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 4:10 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I can understand and appreciate that Tail. But that is how I feel. Perhaps it is very shocking, but I think it would eliminate a large number of murders. Justice isn't always compassionate. Justice isn't always fair. But justice should always be consistent.


Although I have reservations, I understand your viewpoint.

I suppose you're good with border agents separating families then. The adults commit the crime and the kids have to suffer. But hey, justice isn't always compassionate. Or fair. Just consistent.

A wise man once told me that.
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#106 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 6:59 PM EST
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80 in a minute.
that's a lot of wabbits!
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 7:13 PM EST
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Delta I don’t buy the 400 in a minute period.

That said I’m not trying to argue or disagree. It’s just that I find if you have a 90 percent or more great argument but include a small absurd detail it allows folks that want to to disregard your whole argument.

That’s why I hate it when a couple folks in here agree with me on things. They tend to weaken the argument lol. (Not talking about you or this issue)
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 7:15 PM EST
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I also find it stupid when folks incorrectly call a magazine a clip or a cartridge a bullet thus morons think that means you have to discount everything they say on the topic. It’s lazy thinking but common. Same with spelling.

Meh. To each their own. I suppose I discount their thoughts when they do that just like they do others as much as I try not to.
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#109 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 7:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I also find it stupid when folks incorrectly call a magazine a clip or a cartridge a bullet thus morons think that means you have to discount everything they say on the topic. It’s lazy thinking but common. Same with spelling.

Meh. To each their own. I suppose I discount their thoughts when they do that just like they do others as much as I try not to.

to each HIS own (collective noun, takes third person singular).

try not to DO (yeah, it's a verb, but nevah end a sentence wif a preposition)

now I hafta go back and discount all your posts with which I agreed.

gonna be up all night. thanks, moron.
qmech Offline
#110 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 2:45 AM EST
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I read a few of your previous posts in this thread. You make a few interesting points. These comments were informal and true to the spirit of this forum. Certainly, you would not wish someone to respond to your past statements in the manner of your last post.Herfing
izonfire Offline
#111 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 11:43 AM EST
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It’s OK qweer mechanic, most of us come here the grammar lessons.
And the abuse
ZRX1200 Offline
#112 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 12:21 PM EST
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https://fee.org/articles/california-s-background-check-law-had-no-impact-on-gun-deaths-johns-hopkins-study-finds/
izonfire Offline
#113 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 12:28 PM EST
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I come here for the discounted thoughts as well.
I’m on a budget
teedubbya Offline
#114 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 1:33 PM EST
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I’m sorry here to for.
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#115 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 6:09 PM EST
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Everything here is worth what it cost you.

Except herpes, that’s the gift that keeps on giving
teedubbya Offline
#116 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 6:19 PM EST
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But it’s free
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#117 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 7:20 PM EST
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qmech wrote:
I read a few of your previous posts in this thread. You make a few interesting points. These comments were informal and true to the spirit of this forum. Certainly, you would not wish someone to respond to your past statements in the manner of your last post.Herfing

tw is my buddy!
teedubbya Offline
#118 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 7:33 PM EST
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Frank is my buddy it is
izonfire Offline
#119 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 8:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Frank is my buddy it is


Qmech seems to be questioning.
Perhaps we can be supportive during this difficult time...
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#120 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 9:32 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Qmech seems to be questioning.
Perhaps we can be supportive during this difficult time...

Qmech is yet another reborn miracle of cbid
teedubbya Offline
#121 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 9:45 PM EST
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And remember Qmech backwards is hcemq which is Yiddish for unicorn.
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#122 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 9:51 PM EST
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gesundheit
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 11:40 PM EST
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Isn’t that German for smell my finger?
izonfire Offline
#124 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 8:52 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Qmech is yet another reborn miracle of cbid


Ya mean afterbirth?
delta1 Offline
#125 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 6:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Delta I don’t buy the 400 in a minute period.

That said I’m not trying to argue or disagree. It’s just that I find if you have a 90 percent or more great argument but include a small absurd detail it allows folks that want to to disregard your whole argument.

That’s why I hate it when a couple folks in here agree with me on things. They tend to weaken the argument lol. (Not talking about you or this issue)

neither am I being argumentative or obstinate or critical...we all have our opinions...some of mine are based on stuff I read, and can be scrutinized and challenged...so be it...

I don't have any direct knowledge about AR-15s...I have no desire to own such a weapon...I am satisfied that my two handguns and a 7 shot lever action Winchester rifle from the 19th century would adequately protect my family and me...

I'm merely repeating back what was reported by so-called experts, after the Las Vegas shooting, where the killer was said to have fired up to 400 rpm using bump-stocks. Other articles say a well trained shooter can fire more than two rounds, up to three rounds per second with a professionally modified AR-15...to make a more general point...

I don't think the detail about 400 rpm, or even 100 rpm, is the reason some folks disagree. They don't believe that highly lethal weapons are part of the problem... I could have said 60 rpm and they would've disagreed....
izonfire Offline
#126 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 11:08 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
That’s why I hate it when a couple folks in here agree with me on things. They tend to weaken the argument lol.


Not to worry. I rarely find you to be agreeable
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#127 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2019, 8:07 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
neither am I being argumentative or obstinate or critical...we all have our opinions...some of mine are based on stuff I read, and can be scrutinized and challenged...so be it...

I don't have any direct knowledge about AR-15s...I have no desire to own such a weapon...I am satisfied that my two handguns and a 7 shot lever action Winchester rifle from the 19th century would adequately protect my family and me...

I'm merely repeating back what was reported by so-called experts, after the Las Vegas shooting, where the killer was said to have fired up to 400 rpm using bump-stocks. Other articles say a well trained shooter can fire more than two rounds, up to three rounds per second with a professionally modified AR-15...to make a more general point...

I don't think the detail about 400 rpm, or even 100 rpm, is the reason some folks disagree. They don't believe that highly lethal weapons are part of the problem... I could have said 60 rpm and they would've disagreed....



Al,
There's a video of Deuce Stevens firing 10 rounds from a "western style" lever action rifle in 1.57 seconds. That equates to 382 rounds per minute from YOUR lever action. Why do you require such fire power?

Of course I'm being sarcastic, but your "rounds per minute" argument could be used to outlaw 95% of all current firearms.

Jerry Miculek in 1999 fired 10 rounds from a revolver in 1 second. That equates to 600 rounds per minute. He also did 6 rounds, A RELOAD, and 6 more rounds in 2.99 seconds. That means under ideal conditions, he could technically fire 240 rounds a minute from a 6 shot revolver including RELOADS. Oh, and he wasn't wildly spraying, as ALL rounds where ON TARGET.

I'm just trying to show you that the "rounds per minute" argument is a slippery slope that could be used to ban virtually all firearms, even your 2 handguns and lever action. If the AR-15 can be baned due to it's rate of fire, so can every semi-auto rifle/handgun, along with revolvers, lever actions and pump guns.

David
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#128 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2019, 3:05 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Bump stocks are already illegal. All this focus on assault rifles is because of one thing. The word assault. Plain and simple. I'd bet real money most people looking for a ban have no idea that they are no different than a hand gun. They all think machine gun and movie guns. The reason most people think this is because of the uninformed or straight up dishonest rhetoric coming from the left and far left. I consider myself a liberal but, I don't recognize the people today who call themselves liberal. A huge reason for this is the culture at Universities and Colleges. The professors and governing bodies have shut down all rational debate. You have supposedly intelligent students who think it's good to stop anyone from speaking if they have a differing opinion. I think we're (well some of us, you guys are old;-p) going to look back at this time in 40 or 50 years and be shocked by just how off the rails the left went. Not saying the right is all there but the left has just gone insane. Brick wall


The problem Stephen, is that many on the left are no longer liberals, but leftists (i.e. Marxists). We also have our nut cases on the right (i.e. White Supremist). Both extremes practice Fascism in their deeds, as they wish to shut down all opposing opinions, silence debate, and demonize those they oppose as morally inferior or sub-human.

I consider myself a traditional Conservative and belong to the Libertarian Party. From what I've read on these boards, I would consider you, Frank, Spey and some others to be Traditional Liberals. We both have more in common with each other, then we do with the Marxists and the White Supremist. The only way we are going to save this Nation, is for Traditional Liberals, Traditional Conservatives and Centralists to put aside our differences, and band together against the extremes on both sides.

David
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#129 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2019, 6:29 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Al,
There's a video of Deuce Stevens firing 10 rounds from a "western style" lever action rifle in 1.57 seconds. That equates to 382 rounds per minute from YOUR lever action. Why do you require such fire power?

Of course I'm being sarcastic, but your "rounds per minute" argument could be used to outlaw 95% of all current firearms.

Jerry Miculek in 1999 fired 10 rounds from a revolver in 1 second. That equates to 600 rounds per minute. He also did 6 rounds, A RELOAD, and 6 more rounds in 2.99 seconds. That means under ideal conditions, he could technically fire 240 rounds a minute from a 6 shot revolver including RELOADS. Oh, and he wasn't wildly spraying, as ALL rounds where ON TARGET.

I'm just trying to show you that the "rounds per minute" argument is a slippery slope that could be used to ban virtually all firearms, even your 2 handguns and lever action. If the AR-15 can be baned due to it's rate of fire, so can every semi-auto rifle/handgun, along with revolvers, lever actions and pump guns.

David


I am far from a gun expert, but those guys are specialists who are highly skilled and work at their craft endlessly to achieve word-class levels...I'm guessing very few people can match that level of expertise...not even close...

but some weapons make an average joe who wants to kill people more deadly...specific guns and magazine clips can double or triple (or worse) the body count, turning a tragedy into a massacre...

I hope that the traditional libs and the traditional cons can get together and find a way to reduce the numbers of people killed by gun violence...I doubt that the majority on either side believes the current circumstances are an acceptable way of life...

ps: some of us Marxists aren't so bad...
Mr. Jones Offline
#130 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2019, 7:31 PM EST
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Can't we just all ...Get along?

Duece Rodney K. J.O.N.E.S.
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