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Speyside Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 12:57 PM EST
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LOL!!! Your paranoia drives your delusion of hate. Do I hate Trump, yes. Do I hate you, no. The senate concluded that the GRU was positioned to effect the election by changing votes in Illinois and one other state, I forget which, but chose not to. Perhaps a dry run for the future?
ZRX1200 Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 1:04 PM EST
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I sometimes wonder how many restraining orders Vic....I mean Danny has had on him.
Speyside Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 1:15 PM EST
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Did you take out one?
ZRX1200 Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 2:01 PM EST
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Why? I’m not aware of him actively stalking me like he has others....
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 2:15 PM EST
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Who has he stalked?
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 2:43 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
LOL!!! Your paranoia drives your delusion of hate. Do I hate Trump, yes. Do I hate you, no. The senate concluded that the GRU was positioned to effect the election by changing votes in Illinois and one other state, I forget which, but chose not to. Perhaps a dry run for the future?


Not sure I know where the vote changes would have come on this. Maybe there is more in there which I don't get.

A disinformation campaign is valuable and effective. This is why the US launched them in a number of banana republics and enemy 3rd world countries over the years.

but it has its limitations. A disinformation ccampaign is not likely to change votes (or I don't believe it will).

It will create division... The russian disinformation campaign in the US was pretty awesome. They had people creating facebook groups for and against divisive topics like Black Lives Matter. They would then, for instance, have a fake BLM account and dig into topics like the NFL generating support for BLM, and generally becoming as outrageous as they thought believable. Then on the other end, they would create police supporting facebook accounts and point out the very same outrageous posts they would generate from the BLM side, while saying things like "black lives matter is anti police" and similar sentiments.

It was smart. I think it created an environment that may have gotten trumpenfurher the Republican primary. But that sort of division is increasing polarity.... you aren't going to switch from D to R under those conditions. You're going to get people going further to the extremes of D and R.... (hence trumpenfurher).
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 2:50 PM EST
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I don’t believe money or marketing has any impact on elections.
delta1 Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 3:19 PM EST
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the only real impacts on elections are money and marketing...
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 3:51 PM EST
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only affects purchases of mayonnaise.
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 4:26 PM EST
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How much $ did Hillary and DJT spend?

I didn’t vote for either one
victor809 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 4:33 PM EST
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And still on the same day....
After making an absurd offer to purchase Greenland, and having this absurd offer called "absurd" tiny trumpenfurher whines that denmark was nasty to him:

"Denmark, I looked forward to going but I thought that the Prime Minister's statement that it was 'absurd' ... was nasty,"

seriously tail... I'm not trying to be mean here. How do you expect there to be any "positive coverage" that would survive? Negative coverage of him can't even survive a day of reporting before it's eclipsed by more negative coverage.

We're talking about a president who was literally accused of raping a 13 year old with a known and convicted child rapist.... and that story can't even stay in the news because it keeps getting eclipsed by more and more dumb sh#t.

If child rape can't even stay in the headlines more than 12 hours, how would a search engine possibly dig up the last positive thing he did? Unless he's doing at least 1 positive thing a day, it won't even blip. He's done 5 things yesterday, and another 5 today that would be headline-making "dumb, bad president" for literally any other president in the US history. The news cannot even keep up with his stupidity.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 4:51 PM EST
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He was deeply offended by a danish chick calling absurd absurd lol
delta1 Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 4:53 PM EST
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if tail is such a stout Trump supporter, and his criticisms of Trump critics is proof that he is, he can best support his POTUS by posting some positive Trump accomplishments on a regular basis, rather than re-hashing his familiar TDS posts about Trump haters....
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 4:54 PM EST
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His guy randomly talks about buying another country then gets offended when they call it absurd lmao. What a twink. An orange twink.
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 4:56 PM EST
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An Oompa Loompa bad ass twink
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 5:02 PM EST
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I dunno... twinks can be sassy....

This whiny little b$tch just can't stop with his bruised fee-fees.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 5:09 PM EST
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I think he is bad ass for an orange oops loompa twink bottom bitch
victor809 Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 5:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think he is bad ass for an orange oops loompa twink bottom bitch


Tail's been modelling himself after him.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 5:51 PM EST
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I find tail really isn’t worth arguing with anymore. He has tossed all logic to the side and proclaims victory on empty arguments. I’m actually disappointed because I used to think he was smarter than that and by discussing things with him I could learn and adjust along the way. I just don’t find he has much to offer anymore. I’m not sure when things changed but when you start and end with anyone differing from you is brainwashed by the press then you don’t need merit to your argument. You’ve proclaimed victory before you started and it makes for mental laziness. It’s just not worth the effort unless you want mindless tug of war on a dog chew rope.

And you could pull a Trump with the above and say I know you are but what am I. You are.

Meh. Ok. I’m good with that. I may argue still every now and then but in all honesty it’s become boring and predictable. I’ve found a few other avenues to have intelligent conversation with folks that disagree with me (which I love).

And I accept it’s me not him. I’m a mind numbed zombie. Cool.
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 6:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I find tail really isn’t worth arguing with anymore. He has tossed all logic to the side and proclaims victory on empty arguments. I’m actually disappointed because I used to think he was smarter than that and by discussing things with him I could learn and adjust along the way. I just don’t find he has much to offer anymore. I’m not sure when things changed but when you start and end with anyone differing from you is brainwashed by the press then you don’t need merit to your argument. You’ve proclaimed victory before you started and it makes for mental laziness. It’s just not worth the effort unless you want mindless tug of war on a dog chew rope.

And you could pull a Trump with the above and say I know you are but what am I. You are.

Meh. Ok. I’m good with that. I may argue still every now and then but in all honesty it’s become boring and predictable. I’ve found a few other avenues to have intelligent conversation with folks that disagree with me (which I love).

And I accept it’s me not him. I’m a mind numbed zombie. Cool.


It's the mainstream media that is telling you that tail isn't using logic.
If you didn't watch all that MSM you'd realize he won the argument 10 years ago. But that was suppressed by the MSM along wth news about our president being super presidential. Instead they just keep repeating the 1 time he wasn't super presidential over and over.... I'm super tired of it.
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 6:22 PM EST
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Annnnndddd the BLS just released a report that 500,000 fewer jobs were created than were estimated in Mar 2019.

More significant than the revised numbers is the fact that the estimate is off by about 10x that of previous years.

Literally the 6th negative thing today which would be a full week of news under any other president.

I'm waiting for that 1 positive thing trump did today that we should be reporting about
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#72 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 6:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Annnnndddd the BLS just released a report that 500,000 fewer jobs were created than were estimated in Mar 2019.

More significant than the revised numbers is the fact that the estimate is off by about 10x that of previous years.

Literally the 6th negative thing today which would be a full week of news under any other president.

I'm waiting for that 1 positive thing trump did today that we should be reporting about

this may not qualify...took the NRA a half hour to make him reverse course.
or was that yesterday?
victor809 Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 7:02 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
this may not qualify...took the NRA a half hour to make him reverse course.
or was that yesterday?


to be fair, the NRA causing him to reverse course could be "positive" news or "negative" news.

I would acttually consider that positive. So you've actually proven tail wrong. The news did report that trump caved to the NRA and decided not to support any sort of background check things.... It happened, the news reported it. ... and it was a positive.
Speyside Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 7:24 PM EST
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Victor, what I read about the Senate intelligence committee report is not that the GRU would have altered voters from D to R, but rather in Illinois and one other state that they could have hacked electronic votes already cast and turned D votes to R votes but chose not to. If true this is a significant implication.

By no later than April 12, 2016, the GRU had gained access to the DCCC computer network using the credentials stolen from a DCCC employee who had been successfully spearphished the week before. Over the ensuing weeks, the GRU traversed the network, identifying different computers connected to the DCCC network. By stealing network access credentials along the way (including those of IT administrators with unrestricted access to the system), the GRU compromised approximately 29 different computers on the DCCC network.

That is from the Mueller report.
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 9:19 PM EST
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Interesting.

But isn't the DCCC just the Democratic congressional campaign committee? They shouldn't have access to the voting machines...
ZRX1200 Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 9:41 PM EST
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The vote counting is a closed system......Spey don’t you remember what Obummer said???

But by all means stay afraid of Russia.
tailgater Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 9:43 PM EST
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You gals have been busy.

Speyside with his hatred (but not YOU).

Victor with his "I'm stuck in a square state without ample access to gay rugby" free time.

Others clinging to the despair shared by these two.

All is well in snowflake land.

Please, don't let me interrupt.


ZRX1200 Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 9:47 PM EST
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I just poured kosher salt on my head so I can stay cold longer and not melt.

❄️❄️❄️
tailgater Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 10:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I find tail really isn’t worth arguing with anymore. He has tossed all logic to the side and proclaims victory on empty arguments. I’m actually disappointed because I used to think he was smarter than that and by discussing things with him I could learn and adjust along the way. I just don’t find he has much to offer anymore. I’m not sure when things changed but when you start and end with anyone differing from you is brainwashed by the press then you don’t need merit to your argument. You’ve proclaimed victory before you started and it makes for mental laziness. It’s just not worth the effort unless you want mindless tug of war on a dog chew rope.

And you could pull a Trump with the above and say I know you are but what am I. You are.

Meh. Ok. I’m good with that. I may argue still every now and then but in all honesty it’s become boring and predictable. I’ve found a few other avenues to have intelligent conversation with folks that disagree with me (which I love).

And I accept it’s me not him. I’m a mind numbed zombie. Cool.


The only thing you are is a troll.

A discussion has differing viewpoints. You and vic and by default his puppet speyside simply can't stand anything that isn't anti trump. At least you don't spew the same hatred as the puppet.

You do get style points for wording your post so there's no room for any type of rebuttal.
You say no logic, but that's a victor move. He bores people to death with his free time. It's like a hobby.


I know I use these forums to attack the brain dead haters. I'll continue to do so.
But even when I reveal tidbits of things I don't like about our President I get accused of being a blind Trump supporter. The intolerance is staggering.
I have to hate Trump as much as you, or I'm a trumpster or some gay german word that's similar.

If that's what you call logic, then you're right. I'm not using that tact. I'm just expressing my distaste for how much our country so readily embraces hypocrisy simply because we have an uncouth President with a twitter problem.


tailgater Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 10:07 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Victor, what I read about the Senate intelligence committee report is not that the GRU would have altered voters from D to R, but rather in Illinois and one other state that they could have hacked electronic votes already cast and turned D votes to R votes but chose not to. If true this is a significant implication.

By no later than April 12, 2016, the GRU had gained access to the DCCC computer network using the credentials stolen from a DCCC employee who had been successfully spearphished the week before. Over the ensuing weeks, the GRU traversed the network, identifying different computers connected to the DCCC network. By stealing network access credentials along the way (including those of IT administrators with unrestricted access to the system), the GRU compromised approximately 29 different computers on the DCCC network.

That is from the Mueller report.


Woulda coulda shoulda.

but still no measurable net effect.


I must say that I'm SHOCKED that all this happened on Obama's watch.

Shocked I tell ya.
Speyside Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 10:26 PM EST
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If anyone other than TW bothered to read the report they would have found the following, Mueller stated the Russians directly targeted our election systems. They used cyberattacks against private technology firms that make election software, as well as officials in several states and county governments.

But enough from me, I only read the redacted versions of both reports. Read the damn reports, the GRU launched a campaign of ciber warfare against the United States. It was and is an act of war. They hacked the election software you morons. Are you so pathetically stupid you can't follow the implications of this? Or is it that you both have your heads so far up Trumps azz you can only see his colon? This is in both official reports. Did they change votes after the fact? We will never know. Could they have changed votes after the fact? Yes, both reports lay that out. There is a smoking gun in both reports if you would have read them. Victor, none of the above was directed at you. TW is right, Tail isn't worth arguing with, his arguments no longer have any salient points worth considering. Z does make, nah, who am I trying to kid. Z doesn't see what is placed right in front of him, he would rather espouse non factual crap.
teedubbya Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 10:53 PM EST
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Fair enough tail. I’m a troll.

Cool. I wish I had the hair.
tailgater Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 8:02 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
If anyone other than TW bothered to read the report they would have found the following, Mueller stated the Russians directly targeted our election systems. They used cyberattacks against private technology firms that make election software, as well as officials in several states and county governments.

But enough from me, I only read the redacted versions of both reports. Read the damn reports, the GRU launched a campaign of ciber warfare against the United States. It was and is an act of war. They hacked the election software you morons. Are you so pathetically stupid you can't follow the implications of this? Or is it that you both have your heads so far up Trumps azz you can only see his colon? This is in both official reports. Did they change votes after the fact? We will never know. Could they have changed votes after the fact? Yes, both reports lay that out. There is a smoking gun in both reports if you would have read them. Victor, none of the above was directed at you. TW is right, Tail isn't worth arguing with, his arguments no longer have any salient points worth considering. Z does make, nah, who am I trying to kid. Z doesn't see what is placed right in front of him, he would rather espouse non factual crap.


Reading between your hate filled words, I still don't see how the Russians EFFECTED the election.

It's true that under Obama's watch they infiltrated our system and our process.
I've acknowledged this numerous times.
But from what I've read the Russia Russia Russians didn't pull the trigger. They didn't seal the deal. they didn't consummate the marriage.

You didn't make the claim that Russia meddled.
You said they effected the outcome.
And then you attack me when I ask for those details.

You say in this thread that "we'll never know" if the Russia Russia Russians changed any votes.
Yet in your last hate spewing you cited reports that confirmed they didn't.

Without your hate you'd be entirely inconsistent.

So there's that.
dstieger Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 9:13 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:


I'm waiting for that 1 positive thing trump did today that we should be reporting about


MSM have any mention of the student loan forgiveness E.O. for disabled veterans? I heard it on CSPAN, but not sure if it made news anywhere


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#85 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 9:20 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
MSM have any mention of the student loan forgiveness E.O. for disabled veterans? I heard it on CSPAN, but not sure if it made news anywhere




Yep - saw it this morning on NBC and heard it on NPR. And that was in the less than 20 minutes of watching/listening.
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 9:34 AM EST
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Yea it’s been on all the outlets for ncluding first page yahoo etc.
victor809 Offline
#87 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 9:38 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You gals have been busy.

Speyside with his hatred (but not YOU).

Victor with his "I'm stuck in a square state without ample access to gay rugby" free time.

Others clinging to the despair shared by these two.

All is well in snowflake land.

Please, don't let me interrupt.




And again... the with without substance or intelligence.
And amusingly without a shred of introspection or historical memory.
victor809 Offline
#88 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 9:40 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
MSM have any mention of the student loan forgiveness E.O. for disabled veterans? I heard it on CSPAN, but not sure if it made news anywhere




I checked CNN and don't see it there. This actually may be a legit case of something positive he did not getting reported.

...paying off student loan debt sure sounds like something those socialists bernie and AOC want though...
teedubbya Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 9:51 AM EST
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/21/politics/trump-veterans-student-debt/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%3Fsize%3D10%26q%3DStudent%2520loan

It was yesterday
victor809 Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/21/politics/trump-veterans-student-debt/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%3Fsize%3D10%26q%3DStudent%2520loan

It was yesterday

Yeah, I found the story for CNN. But to be fair I don't think this one was ever on the front page. It was there, but only could be found if you were looking for it.

Of course, on the other hand.... it's not a huge story. The student loan forgiveness was in place before trump. I see a record of it back in 2014 that the program existed (thanks Obama!.... just kidding, it's from 1965)...
What trump has done (which isn't terrible) is make it automatic. I guess not enough vets were opting in to the program or something like that.

There's an amusing aside to the story... briefly glossed over that "there may be tax implications..." ... ie, it's equivalent from a tax perspective to money given to you. So these vets automatically opted in may see a huge tax bill that year or something equally funny.
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#91 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 10:20 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Or perhaps the positive news should be that trumpenfurher literally had this advice to Auto execs:

"My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3000, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Very little impact on the environment! Foolish executives!"

He literally tried to say making a car cheaper and safer would have the effect of making an engine run smoother and reduce the environmental impact. And then called the executives foolish for not thinking of it themselves.


Oh my god.....
He's doubled down on his advice to auto execs... and has this 3,000 number stuck in his head:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
"The Legendary Henry Ford and Alfred P. Sloan, the Founders of Ford Motor Company and General Motors, are “rolling over” at the weakness of current car company executives willing to spend more money on a car that is not as safe or good, and cost $3,000 more to consumers. Crazy!"
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 10:40 AM EST
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It was on the fro t page yesterday but did move off quickly
Speyside Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 10:58 AM EST
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Tail, they hacked the software companies. The Senete report stated they didn't use their hack, only a moron would believe the government verbatim, that would be you. I see your new idiotic answer is to call everyone that disagrees with you haters. I do hate Trump, that is my right. Otherwise alI am pointing out is the truth, what is in the reports. BTW, Mueller never stated the hack wasn't used. I know you and I disagree on most issues, but you have became a blithering idiot. Your blind devotion to the cowardly orange lion is pathetic. 98.2% of the time he is wrong, arrogant, lying, narcissistic, psychopathic, demeaning, cowardly, ill informed, kissing azz of dictators, screwing the American public, cheating on his wife, allowing the family businesses to profit from his presidency, destroying the environment, hurting the middle class and the poor, showing no compassion or humanity, and helping out the top 5%. You build him up based on the 1.8% of the time he isn't doing harm. So that this proves is you are either a moron or senile.
tailgater Offline
#94 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 11:28 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, they hacked the software companies. The Senete report stated they didn't use their hack, only a moron would believe the government verbatim, that would be you. I see your new idiotic answer is to call everyone that disagrees with you haters. I do hate Trump, that is my right. Otherwise alI am pointing out is the truth, what is in the reports. BTW, Mueller never stated the hack wasn't used. I know you and I disagree on most issues, but you have became a blithering idiot. Your blind devotion to the cowardly orange lion is pathetic. 98.2% of the time he is wrong, arrogant, lying, narcissistic, psychopathic, demeaning, cowardly, ill informed, kissing azz of dictators, screwing the American public, cheating on his wife, allowing the family businesses to profit from his presidency, destroying the environment, hurting the middle class and the poor, showing no compassion or humanity, and helping out the top 5%. You build him up based on the 1.8% of the time he isn't doing harm. So that this proves is you are either a moron or senile.


You said that Russia Russia Russian influence had an effect on the election results.
All I did was ask for the report.
I don't mind that you hate Trump. I'm exposing your hatred of anything that contradicts your lies. Your hatred of anyone who doesn't hate Trump with a fervor equal to yours.
It's evident in your post above.
It's a real character flaw that you should address.
Really.

Sorry if you're offended by that.
I'm surprised you didn't know. Hasn't a friend or family member pointed it out?
Hell, you should be thanking me for being the only one honest enough to tell you.


I've acknowledged multiple times that I believe the reports regarding Russian meddling.
Yet you call me names because I don't believe your outright lies regarding how it effected the election.

Your hatred is once again duly noted.
Followed closely by your intolerance.

I'll leave it at that.
My senility is kicking in and I'm late for the moron meeting.
Speyside Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 1:18 PM EST
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Tail, you really are a moron. Here is what the Russians did to effect the elections. I will use little words and simple concepts so there is a miniscule chance so you can understand it.

The indictment mentions that the Russian accounts were meant to embed with and emulate “radical” groups. The content was not designed to persuade people to change their views, but to harden those views. Confirmation bias is powerful and commonly employed in these kinds of psychological operations (a related Soviet concept is “reflexive control”—applying pressure in ways to elicit a specific, known response). The intention of these campaigns was to activate—or suppress—target groups. Not to change their views, but to change their behavior.

This is how the GRU effected the elections. Do you need this in picture form. I look forward to your simplistic response. You prolly will continue to mention hate, lies, and lack of evidence. Even though I have not lied and presented you with plausible evidence. I hate Trump, many people do. Now it's probably time for you to whatever Trump lunatics do.
ZRX1200 Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 1:25 PM EST
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Funny that our government would never employ anything like that to elicit a waft of support for erosion of liberty.......

Mellow
Speyside Offline
#97 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 1:42 PM EST
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Z, I don't disagree with you on that point. It certainly is possible. In fact probable. But that doesn't change what the GRU did and the effect it had on the election.
dstieger Offline
#98 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 1:47 PM EST
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Maybe I should have been following a bit more closely.....What 'effect' did GRU actions have on what election?
delta1 Offline
#99 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 2:04 PM EST
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The general overall effect that the GRU campaign had was to suppress the vote by reinforcing and creating negative information about Hillary in hopes of keeping voters home; the goal was not to change votes...

impossible to quantify...but given the closeness of the vote count in WI, MI, and PA...a few people staying home instead of voting could have made a difference...we'll never know, because to determine the effect conclusively, we'd have to interview a huge number of registered voters in those states....

maybe Trump's Election Fraud Commission should have put that on their agenda...
Speyside Offline
#100 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 2:31 PM EST
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The presidential election Dave. Their efforts are well known. In previous posts here I have mentioned what they did and what the effect was. Do some reading maybe you will find it interesting, maybe you will find it worthless.
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