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Abandoning the Kurds
frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
you think that somehow makes it real news?

if I rape you and then apologize, does that somehow make it consensual?

if it was a different guy?
delta1 Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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fake news is intentional...not consensual...

from day one:

the inauguration crowd was the largest in history...

my electoral college victory was the biggest in history...

non-stop.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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wrong videos on the news is wrong.
but the story could still be correct, like the Turkey/Kurd story.

Our military seems to think so, and why else would Trump call Turkey's Head Turkey and request a cease fire?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#54 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
wrong videos on the news is wrong.
but the story could still be correct, like the Turkey/Kurd story.

Our military seems to think so, and why else would Trump call Turkey's Head Turkey and request a cease fire?

maybe he watches cnn?
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
hmmmm.... the only isis detainees I've heard of "escaping" were intentionally released families of isis prisoners... you have a link for the jail break story?

I didn't even hear intentionally released family story!
I heard the wives/mothers and kids set their tents on fire and a few hundred escaped detention camp.

I meant the story (Hubbard, Savage, Schmitt N.Y. Times) who wrote "...and the revelation that the U.S. military had failed to transfer five dozen 'high value' Islamic State detainees out of the country before the troop withdrawal, according to two U.S. officials".

I said jail break for drama.
delta1 Offline
#56 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
you think that somehow makes it real news?

if I rape you and then apologize, does that somehow make it consensual?



broadcasting an unvetted video is not the same as an intentional sex crime...

in your rhetorical question...did I like it?
Mr. Jones Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,359
Frank

IS

KING K.U.R.D
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted:
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HA!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#59 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
broadcasting an unvetted video is not the same as an intentional sex crime...

in your rhetorical question...did I like it?

I made you rhetorical breakfast...
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL


Remember when the left was silent, acting as the custodians of Soetoro’s failed policies....


Peppridge Farms remembers
bs_kwaj Offline
#61 Posted:
Joined: 02-13-2006
Posts: 5,214
So, lessee... Turkey is our ally? Turkey calls the Kurds terrorists. We only got the Kurds to help us because they were less a terrorist threat than ISIS (...or Obama's friends, ISIL?) ?

Seems complicated. Beer
fishinguitarman Offline
#62 Posted:
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Posts: 69,148
Sex crimes? Gee I wonder why those sneaky little lefties are sooo hush hush about those?🤔🤔🤔


P?
dstieger Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
I'm hopeful that this fiasco might lead to a broader conversation about our place in the world order beyond the partisan and Trumpist 'yelling points'.

Trump strengthened his base by being for:

-Nationalism
-Make America Great...doesn't really matter (at all) if any non-Americans are made less-great
-Non interventionist
-Non nation-building
-NO international relationships are of any value unless America benefits directly

Those 'values' sold very very well with a lot of people. There was nobody that demanded any nuance or explanation of collateral or (quite obvious) unintended consequences. And, to a point, that's OK, I guess. Most elections and campaigns can be distilled to talking points and detail-less 'plans'. However, most elected to national office are willing to deal with the nuances and tailor their actions and positions accordingly.

Foreign policy is complicated. I personally believe that it's ok to risk being branded a globalist, if I state that I think that we can be come a greater America AND retain some core values AND be willing to perhaps sacrifice a little of the improvement 'rate' if other nations (and Kurd-like non nations?) that share most of our values can be brought along up with us.

Wish there was a way to convince Trump and his base that it doesn't HAVE to be "Make America Great, **** Everyone Else....Unless they have something to offer....and then they get a pass for a few months"

I'm am just not seeing any long-term vision, whatsoever. I don't believe that Trump thinks much (or even maybe doesn't care much) what happens to America in the next decade or two. The next 12 (or 60?) months of Dow Jones performance is far more important than any longer term global (or even US) statistics or indicators
dstieger Offline
#64 Posted:
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Crazy to contemplate, but Syria isn't at war with anyone, are they? Except themselves, anyway.

How many different nations, international soldiering groups, 'peacekeeping organization' troops, xxx Defense Forces, and Syrian rebel groups are either fighting or taking up space inside Syria in a fighting posture? We should we be left out?
dstieger Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
teedubbya wrote:
Very true. He himself said he had a conflict of interest in this regard.
.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/donald-trump-i-have-little-conflict-interest-turkey/

Mother Jones isn't really news...so maybe it isn't fake
delta1 Offline
#66 Posted:
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after seeing the disastrous consequences of his decision and hearing criticism from the right, Trump is now saying he didn't want Turkey/Erdogan to do what they did and will impose sanctions...

guess he didn't make it clear when he spoke to the Turkish President the day before he announced the pull out of US troops...

this is an example of executing foreign policy by the seat of the pants without considering all possible outcomes...guess there wasn't anybody nearby who would counsel him about the number of people who would be killed, like when he wanted to fire a missile at Iran after the drone strike...wonder if Trump misses Mad Dog Mattis...

hope our troops make it out safely...reports are that they are still in the war zone and may take some hits as they plan and execute their retreat...maybe negotiate a ceasefire/no fly zone so we can airlift our soldiers and their equipment out?
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