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kombat96 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 4:20 PM EST
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https://halfwheel.com/house-subcommittee-passes-bill-banning-online-sales-flavored-tobacco-increase-tobacco-purchase-age-to-21/368417/


Prices are about to triple. Buy now, save later.
USNGunner Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 4:47 PM EST
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And worse. Face to face B&M sales only.

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In addition, the bill would also:
- Ban Online Sales of Cigars & E-Cigarettes — Two years after the bill is passed, non-face-to-face tobacco or vaping sales would be banned. It’s already illegal to sell cigarettes online.
kombat96 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 5:10 PM EST
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Locals free to gouge.
clintCigar Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 5:25 PM EST
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fiddler898 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 5:39 PM EST
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Is this enforceable on overseas purchases? Asking for a friend...

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Sunoverbeach Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 6:15 PM EST
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Had that same thought and I would think, no
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 6:21 PM EST
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the Senate has not approved any House legislation in several years...

McConnell's version of a Senate tobacco restriction bill only raises the age to 21...no restriction on internet sales...
fiddler898 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 6:41 PM EST
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^^^ You are being very polite. The Senate hasn’t done s#!+ for at least a year. It’s what you get when a turtle leads the way.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 8:17 PM EST
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Won't make it through the Senate. Therefore getting worried about it is rather like being terrified of the imminent alien invasion that'll kill us all because you just watched the "Independence Day" movie.

It's a piece of paper, full of letters and punctuation, signifying nothing. Harmless fiction, if the Senate doesn't push it through, and they won't.
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Sunoverbeach Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 8:33 PM EST
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Well yeah, Ind Day was just good clean fun. Ridley Scott's Alien though, those fuggers are out there
frankj1 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Nov 13 2019, 8:50 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
^^^ You are being very polite. The Senate hasn’t done s#!+ for at least a year. It’s what you get when a turtle leads the way.

they prefer Cubans though.
deadeyedick Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 9:57 AM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
^^^ You are being very polite. The Senate hasn’t done s#!+ for at least a year. It’s what you get when a turtle leads the way.


I'm thinking it's what you get when the friggin' lefties propose chit like this to save us from ourselves.
kombat96 Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 10:21 AM EST
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
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Won't make it through the Senate. Therefore getting worried about it is rather like being terrified of the imminent alien invasion that'll kill us all because you just watched the "Independence Day" movie.

It's a piece of paper, full of letters and punctuation, signifying nothing. Harmless fiction, if the Senate doesn't push it through, and they won't.
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If that's your take, you have not been listen or watching the tobacco industry turning.
kombat96 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 10:27 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the Senate has not approved any House legislation in several years...

McConnell's version of a Senate tobacco restriction bill only raises the age to 21...no restriction on internet sales...



With the way California and other states much like my mitten state are aggressively going after vaping and this just falls in line. FDA, locals are on board, hell even Facebook has put down groups. PayPal is monitoring accounts for multiple times ppl send money via f&f. Knock the politician buttheads they seem to dog in on stuff and stay until it's done to show proof they are doing the good they were appointed for. Public shmoozing.

Let your senators, governors and even local majors know how you feel.
izonfire Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 6:30 PM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
Let your senators, governors and even local majors know how you feel.

Holy schitt!!!
I guess we're already in a police state...
borndead1 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 8:30 PM EST
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I knew I was right to start stockpiling.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 8:45 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I knew I was right to start stockpiling.

I don't think this proposal will clear the Senate, but eventually the anti-tobacco people will screw us over, I think.

This is why I keep pointing out the many merits of the "buy schittloads up-front" strategy.

They can't do schitt to cigars that are already in your house! No bans, no mandatory dumbing-down of blends or nicotine reductions, no new fees, no new taxes, no face-to-face-only sales limits, no mandatory giant obnoxious warning statements or giant color photos of diseased lungs taking up at least 75% of the surface area of boxes, NOTHING. They can't do ANYTHING to them.

Plus they get better with age, and years later when you've forgotten about the money you spent, psychologically it feels like all the cigars are free!

It's also nice when you see a cigar selling for $30.00 or $40.00 each (due to inflation and huge new punitive tobacco taxes/fees) and you have dozens or hundreds of them that you got years ago for $5.00 each. Oh, and yours have many extra years of aging improvements on them, the newly-made ones don't. This is all assuming that the cigar is still for sale and hasn't been banned or had its blend or nicotine level forcibly dumbed-down in the meantime.

THESE ARE "the good old days" of cigars (cheap, tasty unrestricted blends, freely available!) that you'll look back on years from now while you're living in an anti-cigar dystopian nightmare (where you have to be rich just to smoke crappy bland dumbed-down government-approved schitt sticks), and you'll wish you had bought more way back in 2019 before all the dreadful restrictions went into effect.

Well, it's 2019 right now! Act accordingly.
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kombat96 Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 9:25 PM EST
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Get better with age, depending on what you buy and age. A gurkha even with 20 years age is still going to explore.
Only a few brands age well enough to go deep into buying boxes of.
USNGunner Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 9:55 PM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
Get better with age, depending on what you buy and age. A gurkha even with 20 years age is still going to explore.
Only a few brands age well enough to go deep into buying boxes of.


I've been buying all the lanceros I can find. Sneaky
Pudding Mittens Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 10:04 PM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
Get better with age, depending on what you buy and age. A gurkha even with 20 years age is still going to explore.
Only a few brands age well enough to go deep into buying boxes of.

Some improve more than others, but I've never had one get worse. So, given the worrisome political trends toward ever-more anti-tobacco laws, IMO it's quite worth buying heavily and aging because there's no downside to doing so.
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Numismaniac Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Nov 14 2019, 10:12 PM EST
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Shouldn't this be in the politics?!?!?!

Trump has made it clear that the FDA shouldn't be involved with cigars in particular, at least the new guy over the FDA says so
copuffer1 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Nov 21 2019, 10:15 AM EST
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I'm not a US resident, but from what I understand of your law-making system, the Bill must successfully go through many different stages before it becomes law. Barring failing one of these stages, it could also take a year or two before it's actually enacted, with that happening only after all possible lawsuits by the cigar companies have been dealt with. The cigar manufacturers have their lobbies supported by deep pockets and would surely not hesitate to tie up the matter in the courts for as long as they could manage.

I think though most of this revulsion towards cigars represented in the bill is really a by-product of a larger political distaste for vaping, and the recent injuries to folks incurred by the practice. If it weren't for those damn vapers, I doubt we'd be in this situation now.ram27bat

Here's part of an article I found that illustrates the slowness at which this Bill might actually become law if destined to be such:


''No person is more important to passing legislation in America as McConnell. The Senate Majority Leader gets to set the schedule for the Senate, i.e., he decides what gets voted on. And McConnell has used that power with unprecedented effect. Earlier this month, Rep. Hakeen Jefferies, D-N.Y., said there were more than 250 bills that have passed the House but had not been voted on in the Senate.

That’s almost certainly what would happen here. While McConnell might not be the most pro-cigar legislator in Congress, he certainly isn’t a favorite of the anti-tobacco groups that are championing H.R. 2339.''
deadeyedick Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Nov 21 2019, 10:43 AM EST
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
Some improve more than others, but I've never had one get worse. So, given the worrisome political trends toward ever-more anti-tobacco laws, IMO it's quite worth buying heavily and aging because there's no downside to doing so.
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Have to disagree. I have had a few that slowly went down hill both in strength and flavor after aging for 5-10 years. Most were med/full originally. One example: Fuente VSG. On the other hand I have aged many Cabanos that seemed to improve for as much as 20+ years.
Buckwheat Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Nov 21 2019, 11:34 AM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
^^^ You are being very polite. The Senate hasn’t done s#!+ for at least a year. It’s what you get when a turtle leads the way.


Applause
Pudding Mittens Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Nov 21 2019, 12:45 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Have to disagree. I have had a few that slowly went down hill both in strength and flavor after aging for 5-10 years. Most were med/full originally. One example: Fuente VSG. On the other hand I have aged many Cabanos that seemed to improve for as much as 20+ years.

Palates vary widely. It's possible, indeed probable, that I can't detect stuff you can, and you can't detect stuff I can, which leads to the varying perceptions of what aging does.

Viva la difference! It makes the hobby fun. Herfing
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