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CelticBomber Offline
#51 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 1:53 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:

By the way, I've thought it over.
I'm sticking with my position from months ago...no impeachment, but yes censure.




I originally felt this way.... now I think the country and the world need to see that we are still who we say we are. A country built on the rule of law that no one is above. We've never cared about airing our dirty laundry to the world before, that's one of the things that made us different. Leaving this go because it will "hurt the country"..... How exactly? The only people who like us now seem to be Russia and North Korea. The Democrat's are jumping the gun. They should haul the main players into court to enforce subpoena's. The way it's going down now they already know how the Senate will vote, so why bother in the first place. Unless of course there's a little Quid Pro Quo going on behind the scene's between the Dem's and Repub's. This is becoming a sick joke.
rfenst Offline
#52 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 2:05 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm sticking with my position from months ago...no impeachment, but yes censure.


I want him to be impeached for both obstruction that Mueller described and withholding the aid, but not convicted by the Senate (unless there is new evidence or testimony brought forth). I came to this conclusion after watching 100% of the last couple of weeks of unclassified public testimony. I am looking forward to the Senate trial- history in the making!
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 4:34 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I want him to be impeached for both obstruction that Mueller described and withholding the aid, but not convicted by the Senate (unless there is new evidence or testimony brought forth). I came to this conclusion after watching 100% of the last couple of weeks of unclassified public testimony. I am looking forward to the Senate trial- history in the making!

Graham isn't the only one who has decided to turn off the audio of what we just watched.
Whistlebritches Offline
#54 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 4:36 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I want him to be impeached for both obstruction that Mueller described and withholding the aid, but not convicted by the Senate (unless there is new evidence or testimony brought forth). I came to this conclusion after watching 100% of the last couple of weeks of unclassified public testimony. I am looking forward to the Senate trial- history in the making!



Oh Boy!!!!!!! Let's waste another billion$$$
rfenst Offline
#55 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 5:05 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Oh Boy!!!!!!! Let's waste another billion$$$

Let's just consider it a down payment on our future.Wink
ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 5:52 PM EST
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LMAO
Abrignac Offline
#57 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 8:21 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
You can't be serious with this line of reasoning? If they got away with it, everyone else should? Is that how bad it's gotten? If a Democrat gets away with something a Republican should get a free pass? If a Democrat broke the law and got away with it then something is broken and the system should be fixed. But, that doesn't mean the next person who breaks the law should get away with it just because they have an R next to their name... God, the press on all sides has a lot to answer for and so do we, the people. We all just sit back and watch it happen and say welp there's nothing I can do....


Nice deflection. But, I really expected nothing more from you.

I am by no means saying that it’s ok to break the law. But, it takes a tad bit of reading comprehension to understand what I said. It’s a problem associated with tunnel vision and rabid hatred.

I’ll slow things down for you so you can understand. Think 1+1+1=3.

1) There is established legal doctrine know as fruit of the poison tree. Who is the whistleblower? Who is his lawyer?
Who’s staff did they meet with prior to the complaint being made? Who is the dunce cap wearing ringmaster of this circus?

2) The entire Russiagate fraud was a Dem boomerang. The Steele Dossier was a bogus chicken/egg first anomaly conceived and created by Democratic National party and paid for by Hilary’s campaign that was leaked to the press to manufacture fake news then used said fake news to justify validity to obtain a warrant thereby obtaining something of value from a foreign national which was used for campaign purposes which so happens to be the argument du jour that Dems are now using as justification to impeach the President of the United States.

3) Strock and Page. Do I need to explain that to you are you? I do hope you’re able to separate fact from fiction. If not, I’m concerned you aren’t capable of critical thought.

So spare me the the crocodile tears regarding rule of law. Reminds me of a tale I first leaned about in the first grade about an emperor and his new clothes. The more you say it the dumber you look.

Just be honest. Admit you’re severely butthurt that your candidate l-o-s-t the election. So crawl into a corner, suck your thumb and make sure you vote in the next election.

Before you running crying to the powers that be claiming I’ve insulted you put on your big girl panties and reread the insult you posted to me in a thread a month or so back.

Suck it up buttercup. If you want to run with the big boys make sure you’re able to pee in the tall grass.
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 8:50 PM EST
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1- think of the whistleblower as an informant who waks into your station, claims Joe Blow told him someone sold drugs.
you check it out.
turns out correct. Joe Blow becomes a witness, whistleblower does not and is not outed for his own protection...or else why would anyone go to the cops?

or

turns out to be BS. Whistleblower is prosecuted, probably.
In the real case, a nonpartisan inspector appointed by Trump said it checked out...sorry, but it's true.

2- You are saying that Rudy, his gang, and Putin are correct, that Ukraine did the deed, and everything in the Mueller Report and all who testified under oath recently is a fable. You are believing them over every Intelligence Department, Diplomats and assorted other nonpartisan public servants, some having been appointed by and served under several GOP Administrations. You are siding with those with the most to lose.

3- Strozk and Page input has been investigated and determined to be wrong. And Just like the Steele dossier, was actually a minor player in coloring all that ensued. Certainly not enough to hang your hat on. No key investigators are waving this stuff around as anywhere near as big an issue in all this as what else has and keeps coming out.

There are things that are actually known to be fiction that were repeatedly mentioned by Nunes (check out what he was doing in Ukraine) and the guy without a suit coat, but the believing base eats it up. You left out the debunked crowdstrike and Chalupa...I know there are more. It's what they decided to use as their version of a defense...dilute the facts with confusion because they think the public did not hear the warnings from those who were not too cowardly to speak under oath about how repeating Russian stuff helps Russia undermine our way of life.

where's Rudy?

edit: their actions were determined to be wrong, you are correct...sorry I worded it poorly first time.
rfenst Offline
#59 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 9:07 PM EST
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Fruit of the poisonous tree does not apply here. It is predicated by wrong doing by the state. What has the state done to violate anyone's rights? Chief justice will preclude any "poisonous fruit" at the Senate Trial. For now, Trump hasn't even been charged yet...
frankj1 Offline
#60 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 9:15 PM EST
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that's what I meant to say...HA!

Anth, stop making me post.
Abrignac Offline
#61 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 9:28 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Fruit of the poisonous tree does not apply here. It is predicated by wrong doing by the state. What has the state done to violate anyone's rights? Chief justice will preclude any "poisonous fruit" at the Senate Trial. For now, Trump hasn't even been charged yet...


Bad analogy Robert I was inferring not the state but the source the state relied upon.
Abrignac Offline
#62 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 9:40 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
that's what I meant to say...HA!

Anth, stop making me post.


I’m spectacular in all ways. That’s my word and as such is beyond contestation. Yet, even an Oracle’s reach is insufficient to extend such a distance from my Utopian abode to unite the muscles of your arm in a helical fashion.
frankj1 Offline
#63 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 9:42 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I’m spectacular in all ways. That’s my word and as such is beyond contestation. Yet, even an Oracle’s reach is insufficient to extend such a distance from my Utopian abode to unite the muscles of your arm in a helical fashion.

dang! you did it again.
rfenst Offline
#64 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 9:47 PM EST
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I am glad we are all friends who know we won't change each other others minds.

Herfing
Abrignac Offline
#65 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 10:28 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I am glad we are all friends who know we won't change each other others minds.

Herfing



Very true. I think without a doubt that is the greatest value of the forums.

As far as this thread goes, a couple days or so ago I stuck my finger in the air to determine wind direction the I grabbed the largest jambalaya paddle I own and started stirring vigorously.

BTW, there’s a better than average chance I’ll be back your way in the first quarter of the coming year. Once I know better I’ll touch base with you and John so we can possibly line something up.
rfenst Offline
#66 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2019, 10:29 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
BTW, there’s a better than average chance I’ll be back your way in the first quarter of the coming year. Once I know better I’ll touch base with you and John so we can possibly line something up.


Cool!
frankj1 Offline
#67 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 12:16 AM EST
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aaaaaaaaand...cut!
that's a wrap.
CelticBomber Offline
#68 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 9:40 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
So it’s irrelevant that they no longer hold office?

Actually I don’t find it’s such. I’m simply stating that if it didn’t matter what others did then it shouldn’t matter if anyone else does it. If on the other hand it is relevant then it’s relevant in regard to both side of the isle.


CelticBomber wrote:
You can't be serious with this line of reasoning? If they got away with it, everyone else should? Is that how bad it's gotten? If a Democrat gets away with something a Republican should get a free pass? If a Democrat broke the law and got away with it then something is broken and the system should be fixed. But, that doesn't mean the next person who breaks the law should get away with it just because they have an R next to their name... God, the press on all sides has a lot to answer for and so do we, the people. We all just sit back and watch it happen and say welp there's nothing I can do....


Okay genius I tried to keep to polite but, oh welll.

1) How is anything I wrote a deflection, read what you wrote, I highlighted it for you. Now, read it again slower. Now go ask an adult for help with the big words. If it doesn't matter what one did it shouldn't matter that anyone else does it? I comprehend what that means perfectly. Comprende?

A deflection would be comparing Obama asking for investigation's into El Chapo. A drug lord to Trump telling the new Ukraine President that he really should investigate the Biden's, Trumps political opponent, or else those weapons you need to defend yourself from my buddy Putin aren't going to show up. That is a violation of the Hatch act. I.E. Illegal.

You expect nothing more from me... that's funny. The difference between me and you is that I don't CARE if it's a Democrat or Republican who breaks the law. They should be prosecuted. The Republican's could have prosecuted Obama, Hillary and whomever else they wanted, they controlled the House and Senate but, they didn't. Why? Who know;s, maybe it's because no crime was committed or they didn't have enough evidence of an actual crime being committed or maybe they decided to let it go and play politics. Either way it's on them.

You've got beer google's on and it's last call. That fat chick is looking hot! She's going home with you no matter what. Hint: Trump is the fat chick.

Trump hasn't done one thing to help the people who blindly support him. If someone mention's the economy and tries to credit Trump you don't understand how the economy works. He's destroyed our foreign policy. What did we get out of that photo op with Kim Jong Un? He's ignoring China building islands in the middle of the ocean and then claiming large swathes of ocean territory. They already claim the entire South China Sea which are international water's but, not for long once all those islands are finished. BTW where is that wall that Mexico is paying for? He's trying to destroy NATO because he doesn't understand what it really does for us. All science and technology has been driven to Europe, we have no real space program. All the things that made us able to claim the doctrine of American Exceptionalism have gone elsewhere. But, hey at least every time Trump travel's his hotels make money. ThumpUp

Everything below this has been replied to perfectly. No need to even touch it.


Abrignac wrote:
Nice deflection. But, I really expected nothing more from you.

I am by no means saying that it’s ok to break the law. But, it takes a tad bit of reading comprehension to understand what I said. It’s a problem associated with tunnel vision and rabid hatred.

I’ll slow things down for you so you can understand. Think 1+1+1=3.

1) There is established legal doctrine know as fruit of the poison tree. Who is the whistleblower? Who is his lawyer?
Who’s staff did they meet with prior to the complaint being made? Who is the dunce cap wearing ringmaster of this circus?

2) The entire Russiagate fraud was a Dem boomerang. The Steele Dossier was a bogus chicken/egg first anomaly conceived and created by Democratic National party and paid for by Hilary’s campaign that was leaked to the press to manufacture fake news then used said fake news to justify validity to obtain a warrant thereby obtaining something of value from a foreign national which was used for campaign purposes which so happens to be the argument du jour that Dems are now using as justification to impeach the President of the United States.

3) Strock and Page. Do I need to explain that to you are you? I do hope you’re able to separate fact from fiction. If not, I’m concerned you aren’t capable of critical thought.

So spare me the the crocodile tears regarding rule of law. Reminds me of a tale I first leaned about in the first grade about an emperor and his new clothes. The more you say it the dumber you look.

Just be honest. Admit you’re severely butthurt that your candidate l-o-s-t the election. So crawl into a corner, suck your thumb and make sure you vote in the next election.

Before you running crying to the powers that be claiming I’ve insulted you put on your big girl panties and reread the insult you posted to me in a thread a month or so back.

Suck it up buttercup. If you want to run with the big boys make sure you’re able to pee in the tall grass.

CelticBomber Offline
#69 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 9:56 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Bad analogy Robert I was inferring not the state but the source the state relied upon.


You are, of course, referring to the Whistleblower. There are laws and a process in place to protect whistleblowers for a reason. This person filed a complaint, it was investigated, it was deemed worthy of further investigation. Where is the poison in that? Oh right, there isn't any. You're arguing a Strawman as fact. The very definition of sophistry.

I've heard it argued here before that if you have nothing to hide why would you refuse to answer a cop's questions? Well, I'm going to use that same line of reasoning now and ask why aren't Rudy and the rest answering questions if they have nothing to hide?
Abrignac Offline
#70 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 1:02 PM EST
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CB you say Trump hasn’t done one positive thing for the people our country? You really should open your bubble and let some fresh air in. A brain needs oxygen to function.
delta1 Offline
#71 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 4:53 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
CB you say Trump hasn’t done one positive thing for some of the people our country? You really should open your bubble and let some fresh air in. A brain needs oxygen to function.


fify

do you think that there will ever be a time when both sides return to a world where both can agree on fact based reality in the world of politics...

each side seems to have a set of divergent "facts" ...many are mutually exclusive...

some facts are provable, but the other side doesn't accept the "proof"
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 5:57 PM EST
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CNN's 'facts' are not proof... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#73 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 6:27 PM EST
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I could go for a nothing burger about now.
izonfire Offline
#74 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 7:00 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I could go for a nothing burger about now.

Thought this was about the Impossible Burger at Burger King...
delta1 Offline
#75 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 7:02 PM EST
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Trump should open up a chain of Nothing Burger restaurants in 2021...he can call his crown jewel burger a Big Pounder...the actual beef will be less than 4 oz, but his customers will believe they are getting one pound burgers...
CelticBomber Offline
#76 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 8:45 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
CB you say Trump hasn’t done one positive thing for the people our country? You really should open your bubble and let some fresh air in. A brain needs oxygen to function.


And you claim I need help with reading comprehension... I said Trump has done nothing for the people who blindly support him. He's definitely done lot's of things for his friends. Mostly got them thrown in prison or made them richer. Trump is going to lose the use of his writing hand signing all those pardons for his buddies.

Everyone would be a LOT better off if you all stopped thinking like Democrat's and Republican's, Liberal's or Conservative's and just started thinking period. We've got idiots like AOC and Omar in office as a reaction to the Tea party crap and Trump. Then you have Schiff and McConnell, two sides of the same corroded coin. The banking system is unregulated and has already crushed the world economy once and what happened? We bailed them out and people lost everything while huge bonus checks got signed. No one went to jail. Why? Because the people who work for the FCC quit and go to work for the very banks they are supposed to regulate and help them beat the system. Infrastructure built with taxpayer dollar's is getting sold off and privatized left and right. Where does this madness end? Where are we getting our next President from? The View? The Voice? Joanie loves Chachi? Give me a break. If I live in a bubble I hope it never breaks, it keeps me separate from all this craziness. If you honestly believe Trump is good for this country start taking shallow breath's, I doubt there's much air left in your bubble.
frankj1 Offline
#77 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 9:34 PM EST
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I heard Joanie was missing.
izonfire Offline
#78 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 9:48 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
And you claim I need help with reading comprehension... I said Trump has done nothing for the people who blindly support him. He's definitely done lot's of things for his friends. Mostly got them thrown in prison or made them richer. Trump is going to lose the use of his writing hand signing all those pardons for his buddies.

Everyone would be a LOT better off if you all stopped thinking like Democrat's and Republican's, Liberal's or Conservative's and just started thinking period. We've got idiots like AOC and Omar in office as a reaction to the Tea party crap and Trump. Then you have Schiff and McConnell, two sides of the same corroded coin. The banking system is unregulated and has already crushed the world economy once and what happened? We bailed them out and people lost everything while huge bonus checks got signed. No one went to jail. Why? Because the people who work for the FCC quit and go to work for the very banks they are supposed to regulate and help them beat the system. Infrastructure built with taxpayer dollar's is getting sold off and privatized left and right. Where does this madness end? Where are we getting our next President from? The View? The Voice? Joanie loves Chachi? Give me a break. If I live in a bubble I hope it never breaks, it keeps me separate from all this craziness. If you honestly believe Trump is good for this country start taking shallow breath's, I doubt there's much air left in your bubble.

Amen Celtic.
Precisely why I’ll never have faith in this corrupt system again.

I love my country. I HATE the government.
Abrignac Offline
#79 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2019, 10:15 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
And you claim I need help with reading comprehension... I said Trump has done nothing for the people who blindly support him. He's definitely done lot's of things for his friends. Mostly got them thrown in prison or made them richer. Trump is going to lose the use of his writing hand signing all those pardons for his buddies.

Everyone would be a LOT better off if you all stopped thinking like Democrat's and Republican's, Liberal's or Conservative's and just started thinking period. We've got idiots like AOC and Omar in office as a reaction to the Tea party crap and Trump. Then you have Schiff and McConnell, two sides of the same corroded coin. The banking system is unregulated and has already crushed the world economy once and what happened? We bailed them out and people lost everything while huge bonus checks got signed. No one went to jail. Why? Because the people who work for the FCC quit and go to work for the very banks they are supposed to regulate and help them beat the system. Infrastructure built with taxpayer dollar's is getting sold off and privatized left and right. Where does this madness end? Where are we getting our next President from? The View? The Voice? Joanie loves Chachi? Give me a break. If I live in a bubble I hope it never breaks, it keeps me separate from all this craziness. If you honestly believe Trump is good for this country start taking shallow breath's, I doubt there's much air left in your bubble.


Are not his supporters also countrymen?
CelticBomber Offline
#80 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 12:24 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Are not his supporters also countrymen?



Is your argument here that because he made his friends richer or prisoners he's been good for the country? Seriously? I think I'll just stop here. Time to switch bait.
Abrignac Offline
#81 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 1:10 AM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Is your argument here that because he made his friends richer or prisoners he's been good for the country? Seriously? I think I'll just stop here. Time to switch bait.


I’m not one of his friends but he certainly made me richer.
Abrignac Offline
#82 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 1:56 AM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Is your argument here that because he made his friends richer or prisoners he's been good for the country? Seriously? I think I'll just stop here. Time to switch bait.


As far as friends of a President getting richer, here are but a few names to consider:
Van Jones & Rick Jascula - home winterization program
George Kaiser - Solyndra
Marty Nesbitt & Harreld Kirkpatrick - University of Phoenix
Juan Sanchez - Southwest Key
etc...

Are you really that ignorant to think that the only friends of a President to ever get richer due to favorable treatment are those of Trump?

You truly live in fantasy land. Here’s a thought, bottle whatever it is that you drink and sell it. Perhaps you can get rich as well.
CelticBomber Offline
#83 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 5:08 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
As far as friends of a President getting richer, here are but a few names to consider:
Van Jones & Rick Jascula - home winterization program
George Kaiser - Solyndra
Marty Nesbitt & Harreld Kirkpatrick - University of Phoenix
Juan Sanchez - Southwest Key
etc...

Are you really that ignorant to think that the only friends of a President to ever get richer due to favorable treatment are those of Trump?

You truly live in fantasy land. Here’s a thought, bottle whatever it is that you drink and sell it. Perhaps you can get rich as well.



I never made any such claim. Ever. Yet here you are again with another strawman. I'm talking about what Trump has done. You are just saying "These people did it too!" Again. As if that makes it okay....? Let's just agree we're never going to see eye to eye.
Abrignac Offline
#84 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 10:37 AM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
I never made any such claim. Ever. Yet here you are again with another strawman. I'm talking about what Trump has done. You are just saying "These people did it too!" Again. As if that makes it okay....? Let's just agree we're never going to see eye to eye.




Please find any post where I condoned illegal behavior of anyone. You won’t because it doesn’t exist. But, you will find posts where I’ve stated that anyone, regardless of party affiliation, who has broken the law should face the consequences. You will also find posts where I’ve stated that Trump’s behavior is beneath the level expected of the office he holds.

You on the other are a hypocrite. One the one hand you state all that’s bad about Trump. Yet, you easily dismiss others for doing exactly the same thing.

You mistook what I posted for me saying it’s ok because others did this or that. I never said it was ok, just that it hasn’t been proven; hence my earlier statement that you lack comprehension skills.

You’re right we’ll never agree because I don’t twist the words of someone and go off on a wild tangent looking foolish for insinuating someone means something when there’s ample evidence to the contrary.

Maybe you should find a new flavor of Kool-Ade to drink.
CelticBomber Offline
#85 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 7:52 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Please find any post where I condoned illegal behavior of anyone. You won’t because it doesn’t exist. But, you will find posts where I’ve stated that anyone, regardless of party affiliation, who has broken the law should face the consequences. You will also find posts where I’ve stated that Trump’s behavior is beneath the level expected of the office he holds.

You on the other are a hypocrite. One the one hand you state all that’s bad about Trump. Yet, you easily dismiss others for doing exactly the same thing.

You mistook what I posted for me saying it’s ok because others did this or that. I never said it was ok, just that it hasn’t been proven; hence my earlier statement that you lack comprehension skills.

You’re right we’ll never agree because I don’t twist the words of someone and go off on a wild tangent looking foolish for insinuating someone means something when there’s ample evidence to the contrary.

Maybe you should find a new flavor of Kool-Ade to drink.


delta1 wrote:
here's the primary one:

52 U.S. Code § 30121, “Contributions and donations by foreign nationals.” Essentially, it’s illegal to solicit contributions to your presidential campaign from the Oval Office and illegal to solicit from foreign nationals no matter where you do it from: “It shall be unlawful for an individual who is an officer or employee of the Federal Government, including the President … to solicit or receive a donation of money or other thing of value in connection with a Federal, State, or local election, while in any room or building occupied in the discharge of official duties by an officer or employee of the United States, from any person.”


Your reply

Abrignac wrote:
So where does that leave Hillary and Christopher Steele?

Why we’re digging deep into such issues where does Obama’s hot mic conversation fall?




frankj1 wrote:
all fall on people out of office or minimized by the extensive Mueller Report and are not germane to this investigation.

smearing is not a defense either.



Your reply again



Abrignac wrote:
So it’s irrelevant that they no longer hold office?

Actually I don’t find it’s such. I’m simply stating that if it didn’t matter what others did then it shouldn’t matter if anyone else does it. If on the other hand it is relevant then it’s relevant in regard to both side of the isle.



What "it" shouldn't matter if "others" did "it"?

Again you call me a hypocrite. Even though I stated I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican who breaks the law, they should be prosecuted. The Republicans controlled the House and Senate. It's my fault they didn't do anything to investigate crimes that so far exist only in your head. If they wanted to, the Republicans could have done anything they wanted to investigate Hillary, Obama, Steele, or Mickey friggin Mouse. But, they didn't. So write your congressman and ask him why. It's not my fault. I personally think the Clinton's are dirty as hell and got away with a ton of crap that should have been thoroughly investigated.

You have a double standard going. Hillary et al are guilty and got away with it even though you have no real proof. Just a lot of rhetoric from both sides. Trump himself said to Hillary's face he would have her thrown in jail for what she did. But, nothing happened.

On the other hand we have Trump. How many of his inner circle now sit in prison or are still awaiting the outcome of indictments? Trump handed Kim Jong Un a political coup just by meeting with him and got nothing but a photo op and then said and I quote

"I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters."

"They were great letters. And then we fell in love,"

Meanwhile millions starve to death or are executed in slave camp's in North Korea. Trump is repeating Russian propaganda that it was the Ukraine that interfered with our elections when we have PICTURES of the building in St. Petersburg where the whole online operation was traced back to. You, yourself, stated "By no means am I saying there wasn’t a quid pro quo. Just that it hasn’t been proven so far". That's what the investigation is all about. Finding out if there is enough proof to warrant an Impeachment. What exactly have I got twisted?

Still waiting on that wall Mexico is going to pay for.... Oh wait, that's right! Instead of Mexico paying for the wall Trump appropriated money that was to be used for things like building schools on Military Bases and other military infrastructure.

Yeah, I've got things twisted. None of this matter's. He's your guy and we're all just picking on him for no reason. Brick wall

I wonder how many blood vessel's you would have popped if Obama had hired his whole family to work in the White House without them even having the proper Security Clearance's? Forget having ZERO experience or qualifications for doing the jobs they are doing.

and they lived happily ever after. The End.
Abrignac Offline
#86 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2019, 11:32 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Your reply







Your reply again






What "it" shouldn't matter if "others" did "it"?

Again you call me a hypocrite. Even though I stated I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican who breaks the law, they should be prosecuted. The Republicans controlled the House and Senate. It's my fault they didn't do anything to investigate crimes that so far exist only in your head. If they wanted to, the Republicans could have done anything they wanted to investigate Hillary, Obama, Steele, or Mickey friggin Mouse. But, they didn't. So write your congressman and ask him why. It's not my fault. I personally think the Clinton's are dirty as hell and got away with a ton of crap that should have been thoroughly investigated.

You have a double standard going. Hillary et al are guilty and got away with it even though you have no real proof. Just a lot of rhetoric from both sides. Trump himself said to Hillary's face he would have her thrown in jail for what she did. But, nothing happened.



On the other hand we have Trump. How many of his inner circle now sit in prison or are still awaiting the outcome of indictments? Trump handed Kim Jong Un a political coup just by meeting with him and got nothing but a photo op and then said and I quote

"I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters."

"They were great letters. And then we fell in love,"

Meanwhile millions starve to death or are executed in slave camp's in North Korea. Trump is repeating Russian propaganda that it was the Ukraine that interfered with our elections when we have PICTURES of the building in St. Petersburg where the whole online operation was traced back to. You, yourself, stated "By no means am I saying there wasn’t a quid pro quo. Just that it hasn’t been proven so far". That's what the investigation is all about. Finding out if there is enough proof to warrant an Impeachment. What exactly have I got twisted?

Presidents and Presidential candidates have a history of taking donations and/or giving favorable treatment to regimes with terrible human rights records.

Quote:
When Clinton first took office in 2008, the foundation disclosed that Saudi Arabia donated between $10 to $25 million, with some donations coming as recently as 2014 when Clinton prepared her run for the presidency. The foundation received an additional $1 to $5 million donation from the “Friends of Saudi Arabia,” which was cofounded by a Saudi prince. Critics question the ethics of taking such vast sums of money from individuals and a government with one of the worst human rights records in the world.


Quote:
Emails released by WikiLeaks, in a likely attempt to influence the U.S. election, also reveal Clinton arranged for her foundation to host a meeting in Morocco in return for a $12 million donation from the country’s king. The donation came from a Moroccan state-owned mining company, which later received a $92 million loan guarantee while Clinton served as secretary of state.


Quote:
In another troubling instance, foundation donations were closely linked to a uranium mining company tied to the Kremlin. Canadian leaders of a mining company funneled millions of dollars to the foundation while Clinton was secretary of state, at the same time they needed Department of State approval for the sale of their company to Russia. The Clinton State Department-approved deal gave Russia control of one-fifth of the entire uranium supply in the U.S.


Quote:
In the instance of Algeria, the Clinton Foundation acknowledged to The Washington Post in 2015 it should have sought clearance from the Department of State’s ethics office before taking $500,000. After Clinton left office, the foundation received a large donation from the United Arab Emirates.


Quote:
The Clinton Foundation’s ties also extend to powerful individuals seeking assistance from the U.S. government, with the help of the Clinton network. Indonesian tobacco magnate Putera Sampoerna donated and worked with the foundation before he “got the U.S. government to underwrite millions in loans offered by the foundation and secured high-profile support for its activities from Sec. Clinton and other senior federal officials,” according to a report by The Washington Free Beacon.


Still waiting on that wall Mexico is going to pay for.... Oh wait, that's right! Instead of Mexico paying for the wall Trump appropriated money that was to be used for things like building schools on Military Bases and other military infrastructure.

Yeah, I've got things twisted. None of this matter's. He's your guy and we're all just picking on him for no reason. Brick wall

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Post #47

Abrignac wrote:
bla bla bla

Do I love Trump? Not no, but hell no. Do I love the direction he is pointing too, every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


Abrignac wrote:
So it’s irrelevant that they no longer hold office?

Actually I don’t find it’s such. I’m simply stating that if it didn’t matter what others did then it shouldn’t matter if anyone else does it. If on the other hand it is relevant then it’s relevant in regard to both side of the isle.


Please point out where I stated it shouldn't matter. Reading comprehension will get you every time.


I wonder how many blood vessel's you would have popped if Obama had hired his whole family to work in the White House without them even having the proper Security Clearance's? Forget having ZERO experience or qualifications for doing the jobs they are doing.

and they lived happily ever after. The End.




A long but, non sequitur response to initial quote you reference

Too lazy to go back and quote you, but you mentioned in a post about Trump enriching himself.

Here is an IRS filing showing only 5.7 percent of the Bill Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation’s 2014 budget going to charitable grants
$91,28,145 Total Expenditures
$4,175,833 Grants Disbursed
https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2014/311/580/2014-311580204-0c3ee98d-9.pdf

While on the subject of money, IIRC you alluded to Trump receiving something of value from foreign nations. Do you think it's ok if a Presidential candidate receives something of value from foreigners? The foundation has raised at least $42 million from foreign governments - and according to an analysis by CBS News - at least $170 million from foreign entities and individuals.

From the aforementioned IRS Filing
FORM 990, SCHEDULE J, PART I, LINE 1A
THE BOARD RECOGNIZES THAT, DUE TO EXTRAORDINARY SECURITY AND OTHER
REQUIREMENTS, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, AND CHELSEA
CLINTON MAY REQUIRE THE NEED TO TRAVEL BY CHARTER OR IN FIRST CLASS, THE
DETERMINATION OF WHICH WILL BE MADE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
FORM 990, SCHEDULE J, PART I, LINE 2
TRAVEL INDICATED ABOVE IS NOT IN A SEPARATE WRITTEN POLICY, BUT IS KNOWN
TO THE BOARD. IN MOST CASES SUCH TRAVEL IS PAID FOR DIRECTLY BY THE
FOUNDATION AND REIMBURSEMENT IS NOT NECESSARY.

So the foundation received donations from foreign governments and foundation funds are used to pay for travel expenses.


As far as cronies go a google search yielded these cronies who were convicted of crimes directly related to Bill & Hillary
1) Roger Clinton
2) Dan Lasater
3) Dan Harmon
4) Bill McCuen
5) Webster Hubbell
6) Jim Guy Tucker
7) William J. Marks Sr.
8) Jim McDougal
9) Susan McDouga
10) David Hale
11) Chris Wade
12) Stephen Smith
13) Larry Kuca
14) Robert Palmer
15) Neal Ainley
16) John Latham
17) John Haley
18) Eugene Fitzhugh
19) Charles Matthews
20) Tyson Foods
21) Sun-Diamond Growers
22) Richard Douglas
23) James H. Lake
24) Ron Blackley
25) Smith Barney
26) Crop Growers Corporation
27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr.
28) Five M Farming Enterprises
29) John J. Hemmingson
30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr.
31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative
32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet
33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son)
34) Eugene Lum
35) Nora Lum
36) Johnny Chung
37) Roger Tamraz
38) Linda Jones
39) Patsy Jo Wooten
40) Allen Wooten

As stated above, let's apply the law equally. However, I NEVER SAID IT WAS OK FOR HIM TO BREAK THE LAW.

Abrignac wrote:
So it’s irrelevant that they no longer hold office?

Actually I don’t find it’s such. I’m simply stating that if it didn’t matter what others did then it shouldn’t matter if anyone else does it. If on the other hand it is relevant then it’s relevant in regard to both side of the isle.


I asked a rhetorical question then stated that everyone should be held to the same standard or no one should be held to that standard. You then went full retard implying that I said it was ok for Trump to do something. Yet, I never said or implied that.

Before you post another long diatribe about whatever your feeble mind desires, you stated numerous times your hatred for Trump. Yet, many of the things you hate about him have been done by others. Hence, the hypocrite moniker.
ZRX1200 Offline
#87 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 2:26 AM EST
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I admire your effort Anthony, but question your placement of such.
CelticBomber Offline
#88 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 3:12 AM EST
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I asked a rhetorical question then stated that everyone should be held to the same standard or no one should be held to that standard. You then went full retard implying that I said it was ok for Trump to do something. Yet, I never said or implied that.



Aaand we come full circle. So what you're saying is that if one person got away with it then Trump should too! Which was my original point;-) Thanks! You're raging at shadows from the past that your side let go, then raging again when your guy gets called on his stuff.

Since Hillary, Obama, Steele, et al weren't held accountable for the crimes you think they committed Trump should get a pass. That's your argument whether you realize it or not.

I appreciate all the effort you put into showing us all how bad the Clinton's were. I really do. Mostly because I never defended them and even said I think they're dirty as hell. So, I guess the point of all that was "But, look at what they did! Why can't my guy do it too?" I did say Trump makes money every time he travels. Because he stays in his own hotels. That's it;-)

I would only be a hypocrite if I approved of what others have done and then condemned Trump for doing the same. But, I never did that. Once. You're so laser focused on defending your guy you're arguing with yourself. Bringing up points I never made or ignoring me when I said the Clintons were dirty a hell! I AGREED that the Clinton's were dirty and said they should have been investigated. Yet you still forge ahead, bringing up their dirty laundry and who's who of the Clinton's gang. I didn't control the House and Senate then and I don't control it now. But, I do believe Trump is dirty as hell and should pay for what he's done. I notice you never touch on the things I've brought up about Trump. Lastly, I don't hate Trump. I've never been a fan of his but I don't sit around all day crying about him. To me he's simply a symptom of a broken process. The puss rising to the top of the wound as it were.

P.S. I didn't vote for Hilary;-) Feeble minded indeed! /smh
frankj1 Offline
#89 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 9:47 AM EST
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Posts: 44,211
does this mean me and X aren't gonna get those burgers we ordered?
rfenst Offline
#90 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 10:29 AM EST
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Posts: 39,251
frankj1 wrote:
does this mean me and X aren't gonna get those burgers we ordered?

You will get patty melts instead.
CelticBomber Offline
#91 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 3:16 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
does this mean me and X aren't gonna get those burgers we ordered?


Settle for one of those Burger King Veggie burgers?
Whistlebritches Offline
#92 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 3:52 PM EST
Joined: 04-23-2006
Posts: 22,128
CelticBomber wrote:
Settle for one of those Burger King Veggie burgers?



**** that...…...you know how many chemicals it must take to make a veggie burger taste like beef.I'll just die from the real deal
frankj1 Offline
#93 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 4:10 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
You will get patty melts instead.

well played, sir!
CelticBomber Offline
#94 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 6:49 PM EST
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Posts: 6,786
Whistlebritches wrote:
**** that...…...you know how many chemicals it must take to make a veggie burger taste like beef.I'll just die from the real deal


I can't eat hotdogs or chicken nuggets from McDonalds anymore because I found out they wash that pink slime crap with ammonia. I only eat meat that bleeds now. *


* Any and all dirty thoughts that inspires are intentional!
delta1 Offline
#95 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2019, 11:04 PM EST
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dayum...I thought all the talk about a "patty melt" was about CB getting heated with ant over Trump...


here is the ultimate patty melt: https://thecompletesavorist.com/how-to-make-a-frisco-burger
opelmanta1900 Offline
#96 Posted: Wed, Nov 27 2019, 11:32 AM EST
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I don't think I'd visit a web site if it had the term "Frisco burger" in the link...
delta1 Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, Nov 27 2019, 2:17 PM EST
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lol...you should try one...Mimi's makes a good one...
dstieger Offline
#98 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2019, 1:48 PM EST
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I don't think there has been a single new quote or thought about this since Sep 25 when the transcript was released. What a fn waste of time.

My fanciful hope is that 18 or 19 GOP senators finally decide to get off Trump's d|ck and vote to impeach. And then the impeached Trump gets elected next November. If it weren't for the limited entertainment value, this crapshow would have zero value at all...may as well kick it up a notch
Krazeehorse Offline
#99 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2019, 2:02 PM EST
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Posts: 1,958
dstieger wrote:
I don't think there has been a single new quote or thought about this since Sep 25 when the transcript was released. What a fn waste of time.

My fanciful hope is that 18 or 19 GOP senators finally decide to get off Trump's d|ck and vote to impeach. And then the impeached Trump gets elected next November. If it weren't for the limited entertainment value, this crapshow would have zero value at all...may as well kick it up a notch


Would that be a mandate?
dstieger Offline
#100 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2019, 2:07 PM EST
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Posts: 10,889
Krazeehorse wrote:
Would that be a mandate?

Nah...don't think I've got that power
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