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Hit and Miss on cigar quality
raffie Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 04-12-2017
Posts: 3
I only buy from CigarBid and never bought from anywhere else.

My average of unsmokable cigars (to tight and/or far to many stems) is about %15 to %20ish.
I have a draw poker that works once in a while. Would like it to save a higher percent of cigars then it does.
Even do light pressure roll the hard sections in hope to get the flow open.

So this normal for all cigars in general or just from here?

Had a 10 pack months ago, 3 cigars was smokable, rest was like stems with a wrapper around them.
I sent email to CigarBid after 2mo about the issues and they asked why I waited 2mo to contact them. They gave me credit for it. So I should report all bad cigars or what?

thx all...
Smoke On People....
borndead1 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-07-2006
Posts: 5,215
Which brand/size cigars are giving you problems?
Pudding Mittens Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 08-15-2016
Posts: 1,291
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You're either buying garbage (lots of stems and/or tight draws), storing at too high a humidity (tight draws), or both.

Stop buying garbage and start buying decent cigars, and/or get a high-quality calibrateable hygrometer (Western/Oasis Caliber IV is the standard), calibrate it carefully then use it to make sure your sticks aren't stored in too-high humidity (62-68% is considered good by most people, more will cause tight draws).
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raffie Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 04-12-2017
Posts: 3
Buying Diesel, Victor Sinclair and HC mainly.
Now and then if I can get a good price I get the V660.

Most are 50-58 ring.

I have a electronic humidity gauge and stays in the green. Got Caliber 4R IV R Gold Bezel Round Digital Hygrometer
opelmanta1900 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
Baby beluga in the deep blue sea
Swim so wild and you swim so free
Heaven above and the sea below
And a little white whale on the go


Baby beluga, baby beluga
Is the water warm
Is your mama home with you, so happy

Way down yonder where the dolphins play
Where you dive and splash all day
Waves roll in and the waves roll out
See the water squirtin' out of your spout

Baby beluga, oh, baby beluga
Sing your little song
Sing for all your friends, we like to hear you
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
opelmanta1900 wrote:
Baby beluga in the deep blue sea
Swim so wild and you swim so free
Heaven above and the sea below
And a little white whale on the go


Baby beluga, baby beluga
Is the water warm
Is your mama home with you, so happy

Way down yonder where the dolphins play
Where you dive and splash all day
Waves roll in and the waves roll out
See the water squirtin' out of your spout

Baby beluga, oh, baby beluga
Sing your little song
Sing for all your friends, we like to hear you

he got a lot of play time in our home...
Palama Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 02-05-2013
Posts: 23,461
raffie wrote:
Buying Diesel, Victor Sinclair and HC mainly.
Now and then if I can get a good price I get the V660.

Most are 50-58 ring.

I have a electronic humidity gauge and stays in the green. Got Caliber 4R IV R Gold Bezel Round Digital Hygrometer


Without getting into financial viability, one of the answers will be to smoke better cigars.

Of course “better” is subjective but since you’re a couple years into the cigar thing, “broadening your horizons” should be something to look into. There are certainly better cigars on CBid and they will, of course, command a higher price but given the rate of unsmokeables, would it be better to spend a little more and reduce the unsmokeable percentage (...which of course, increases the cost per cigar...)?

Another thing you could do is get a bit more active on the forum. Do a “proper” introduction, check out the nOOb PIB, maybe even get a vet (...bit of a stretch, given the inactivity...). Nonetheless, you’ll find better smokes once you start breaking out of the CBid-only mode.

Good luck!
deadeyedick Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-13-2003
Posts: 16,957
frankj1 wrote:
he got a lot of play time in our home...


Two years and 7 months Frank!d'oh!
frankj1 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
let me rest up so i can get properly outraged...
Palama Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 02-05-2013
Posts: 23,461
frankj1 wrote:
let me rest up so i can get properly outraged...


Get your motor runnin’
Head out on the highway
corey sellers Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 08-21-2011
Posts: 10,338
Victor Sinclair dam I remember those days but that sucked I would rather smoke fewer cigars but better quality. Throw that shiat in the trash and get you some Tats ,Room 101, LFD, phug the list goes own and own.
borndead1 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 11-07-2006
Posts: 5,215
raffie wrote:
Buying Diesel, Victor Sinclair and HC mainly.
Now and then if I can get a good price I get the V660.

Most are 50-58 ring.

I have a electronic humidity gauge and stays in the green. Got Caliber 4R IV R Gold Bezel Round Digital Hygrometer


I remember getting some shoe polish colored Victor Sinclair from that awful T company back in my noob days. VS produces mostly cheap stuff. Diesel is a mass produced cigar that needs a lot of time in the humi. The HC bundles are complete junk, in my opinion. Their boxed stuff is just OK.

If you're looking to stay in the $2-$3 price range, try these: 5 Vegas Gold (mild), La Herencia Cubana (med), La Herencia Cubana Oscuro Fuerte (full), La Aurora Embassador bundles (med), Fallen Angel (full), Ave Maria (med).
Pudding Mittens Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 08-15-2016
Posts: 1,291
raffie wrote:
Buying Diesel, Victor Sinclair and HC mainly.
Now and then if I can get a good price I get the V660.

Most are 50-58 ring.

I have a electronic humidity gauge and stays in the green. Got Caliber 4R IV R Gold Bezel Round Digital Hygrometer

Diesels are solid. They're generally well-made and have a good draw, as the manufacturer, AJ Fernandez, uses draw-test machines and rejects cigars with bad draws so you never get them. Diesels also generally burn well, and aren't full of stems. Flavor is pretty good too, not super complex but fairly powerful and full-bodied and enjoyable.

HC and Victor Sinclair are cigars that guys start with, then move on from. They're not very good.

Lately my favorite "$2-ish yet good quality" stick is Erik Espinoza's "601 Steel". They can be had either in a Spanish Cedar box (great for helping to regulate humidity in your humidor!) or in a logo'd airtight-sealing plastic jar (very nice-looking and functional!), both holding 20, from what we code-name "The Very Well-Known Cigar Shop"'s discount website, which we code-name "The Scary Site", for amazingly cheap sometimes with free shipping included, then you can apply one of the shop's standing 17% or 20% off codes to drop the price even further still, resulting in $2/each or just a bit more. They're only up on "The Scary Site" some days, and not others.

They're really good cigars, very tasty with a good set of flavors, great draw (Erik's clearly using a draw-test machine too), even burn, med-full strength, very enjoyable.

I have a dozen Caliber IV units. Four are dead-on (no offset needs to be applied), the rest are plus or minus 1 to 3 points to make them read true. One however requires -5 points to read true. Your 4R might be such a rare unit. You might be seeing "68%" on its screen but it's really 73% in there. Calibrate the unit, if the 4R allows it (I don't know offhand if it does). If it doesn't allow it (does not let you set a display offset number of points), you can at least observe how high or low it is, then you know to mentally add or subtract that many points whenever you read the display.
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frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
raffie wrote:
I only buy from CigarBid and never bought from anywhere else.

My average of unsmokable cigars (to tight and/or far to many stems) is about %15 to %20ish.
I have a draw poker that works once in a while. Would like it to save a higher percent of cigars then it does.
Even do light pressure roll the hard sections in hope to get the flow open.

So this normal for all cigars in general or just from here?

Had a 10 pack months ago, 3 cigars was smokable, rest was like stems with a wrapper around them.
I sent email to CigarBid after 2mo about the issues and they asked why I waited 2mo to contact them. They gave me credit for it. So I should report all bad cigars or what?

thx all...
Smoke On People....

raffie, sit down. it's time to face the ugly truth.

it's been exactly one year and 7 months...
you didn't write.
you didn't call.
your mother and I were worried sick!

she's not a strong woman raffie. this hasn't helped.
as if you care at all.

Go back to your new family...I don't even know you anymore.
USNGunner Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 05-17-2019
Posts: 4,402
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This
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izonfire Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 12-09-2013
Posts: 8,642
frankj1 wrote:
raffie, sit down. it's time to face the ugly truth.

it's been exactly one year and 7 months...
you didn't write.
you didn't call.
your mother and I were worried sick!

she's not a strong woman raffie. this hasn't helped.
as if you care at all.

Go back to your new family...I don't even know you anymore.


Don't get so upset papa,
you know dealing with raffle has always been a gamble.

Drawing throughout the years,
every time I've encountered him in the shuffle,
it's been a losing ticket.

There's no winning.
He's got it rigged.
Best to just stay out of the game...
corey sellers Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 08-21-2011
Posts: 10,338
Are you the same kid in the Christmas story that got your tongue stuck to the light pole .
Goose7 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2019
Posts: 20
I too would be curious to see a list of the cigars that you have had draw problems with.

This issue can befall even the best of cigars from time to time. I just had to send back a 10 count box of Oliva Melanio Double Toro because of a consistently bad/tight draw problem that seemed to plague this entire box of what is normally a cigar with a nearly perfect draw! This defective box I recently received was a gift and was not purchased from CB, but from a very well known and reputable cigar retailer that all of you would be familiar with.

Fortunately, this retailer accepted the return and just shipped me a replacement box today. This despite the fact that I lit up and "attempted" to smoke (1) of the 10 and cut an additional (3) picked out of the box at random in order to confirm that I did indeed have a bad box. (Been smoking Melanios since the first year they were first released and this was the first time I had ever run into any issues)

The cigars did not present as either overly wet, or in any other fashion other than what I normally see when I crack open a new box of Melanios. (I keep several boxes of these on hand all of the time, since this is one of my favorite cigars on the planet).

My point is that all of the cigars we tend to buy from CB or any other retailer are hand made products, and despite the QC of most reputable brands, there are still those rare instances where we will get a bad stick or even an entire box. In the case of a bad box, the best thing you can do after discovering that your first and then second cigar from that box has issues would be to contact the retailer you bought from and complain. Often times, the retailer will agree to take back the remaining cigars for exchange or refund. The last thing you want to do is just toss them and take the loss.
corey sellers Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 08-21-2011
Posts: 10,338
Smoke better cigars
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