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And Roger Stone gets a pass card....
teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted:
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Lol ok. Glad you do.
MACS Offline
#102 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Lol ok. Glad you do.


Au contraire... I don't either, but I didn't claim to. lol
izonfire Offline
#103 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Oops. That was for frank not me *frownie face*

Mine is a message of inclusion.
Just not for everybody...
Speyside Offline
#104 Posted:
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I'm excluded, you no good SOB!! Nor did I make the Commie 13 dam you. I don't even have your address so you must think I am not good enough to send you bourbon. Go p1ss up a rope. If I ever get your new address I am going to send you Milort, completely ruined Vodka ( They call it Gin ), and non achoholoc stuff supposed to taste like whiskey. Guess what, it don't. And furthermore Kodiak hates you!!! Wait, that's a compliment, I got it wrong, Kodiak loves you and wants to go camping with you. Wait, that probably excites you. Never mind, you are to weird of FAFO to insult properly. Oh, wait it was self exclusion since I don't smoke. I was only kidding, not really but IDGAF!!!
Brewha Offline
#105 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,147
WOW - More that 2,000 former DOJ prosecutors demand Barr resign.

What a POS.
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
You guys jumped the gun again... there was discussion about this being stupid long before Trump twittered.. in fact the 4 prosecutors who quit had already threatened to quit long before Trump...
Guilty until proven innocent again... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#107 Posted:
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Posts: 12,147
DrafterX wrote:
You guys jumped the gun again... there was discussion about this being stupid long before Trump twittered.. in fact the 4 prosecutors who quit had already threatened to quit long before Trump...
Guilty until proven innocent again... Mellow

So Barr is a scumbag, and he get a pass card too?

Oh....
Brewha Offline
#108 Posted:
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Tell me the truth Drafter.
Do you think Stone was wrongly convicted?
Do you think the recommended sentence is excessive?
DrafterX Offline
#109 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
I dunno what the average sentence is for what he's accused of.. it bothers me tho that warrants for surveillance against him were obtained from false information and the jury was stacked against him... but maybe he'll get another trial where they will look at everything and everyone....

But besides that.. it was the new opportunity to Bash our President and Barr... Dems didn't wait for the truth to come out.. they just told the world Trump made Barr do something.. this won't help win an election... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#110 Posted:
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Fair enough.
izonfire Offline
#111 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
I'm excluded, you no good SOB!! Nor did I make the Commie 13 dam you. I don't even have your address so you must think I am not good enough to send you bourbon. Go p1ss up a rope. If I ever get your new address I am going to send you Milort, completely ruined Vodka ( They call it Gin ), and non achoholoc stuff supposed to taste like whiskey. Guess what, it don't. And furthermore Kodiak hates you!!! Wait, that's a compliment, I got it wrong, Kodiak loves you and wants to go camping with you. Wait, that probably excites you. Never mind, you are to weird of FAFO to insult properly. Oh, wait it was self exclusion since I don't smoke. I was only kidding, not really but IDGAF!!!

Yes, you’re excluded. But I wouldn’t blame yourself. Even though it’s your own goddam fault. Just use that vacant stare of yours like you were clubbed in the back of the head and plead ignorance. Blatant, willful, explicit ignorance.
Ohhh, the more you know...
____

BTW - yes, Imma no a gooda SOB.
Sunoverbeach is a much bettah
Speyside Offline
#112 Posted:
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I would plead ignorance but that would be lying. Could you plead ignorance for me? Then it would only be a half truth!
delta1 Offline
#113 Posted:
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back on topic: youse guys are Stoned...
ZRX1200 Offline
#114 Posted:
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I could go for some mushrooms and orange juice.
delta1 Offline
#115 Posted:
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orange mushroom?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus_junonius
Brewha Offline
#116 Posted:
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Looks like sentencing is going forward Thursday, dispute the wishes of “Chief Justice Trump”.

I bet if he gets jail time pardons will come.
victor809 Offline
#117 Posted:
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He also says he's the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer"....
rfenst Offline
#118 Posted:
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Well, Stone got 40 months + a fine, which is supposedly in line with the guidelines. Why should he be pardoned? Tampering with a witness, repeatedly lying to the House Intelligence Committee and obstructing its investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 presidential race. Bottom line for me is that he needs to serve his time at a "club Fed" facility.
frankj1 Offline
#119 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
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rfenst wrote:
Well, Stone got 40 months + a fine, which is supposedly in line with the guidelines. Why should he be pardoned? Tampering with a witness, repeatedly lying to the House Intelligence Committee and obstructing its investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 presidential race. Bottom line for me is that he needs to serve his time at a "club Fed" facility.

Cohen went to one that offers Kosher food.
MACS Offline
#120 Posted:
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Posts: 79,599
I'm good with the 3 years and the fine... and I hope Trump does not pardon him.

Although I disagree with the entire premise of the Russia hoax, he lied under oath.
Dg west deptford Offline
#121 Posted:
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I'm torn, lieing under oath is a problem. Rubbing it in the deepstate corrupt snowflakes face is also a desire. I say Let him do 1 day hard time. It suficeth.
delta1 Offline
#122 Posted:
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Posts: 28,754
at some point, we will all recognize that the current state of politics as played today, a zero-sum game, is destructive and will lead to the diminishment of all...

we have to return to a period when we struggled to agree with a concept of "equal justice for all," rather than "justice for all, except favorable treatment of my peeps"...this acceptance and forgiveness of corruption and bribery and interference in the justice system on behalf of my friends and family can't become our norm...
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
I'm torn, lieing under oath is a problem. Rubbing it in the deepstate corrupt snowflakes face is also a desire. I say Let him do 1 day hard time. It suficeth.


So you believe it is worth subverting the judicial system to score some points against people you believe to be "snowflakes"?

If they were snowflakes wouldn't it be much easier to trigger them without having to subvert the legal system?
Dg west deptford Offline
#124 Posted:
Joined: 05-25-2019
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Well said delta, I relent. Customer had MSNBc on all day as I installed his kitchen so I'm feeling generous
MACS Offline
#125 Posted:
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Posts: 79,599
Just saw some "pardon / sentence commutation" numbers.

Carter: 566
Reagan: 406
H. Bush: 77
Clinton: 459
GWB: 200
Obama: 1,927
Trump: 26

If these numbers are accurate... what is all the hubbub about?
frankj1 Offline
#126 Posted:
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Posts: 44,211
MACS wrote:
I'm good with the 3 years and the fine... and I hope Trump does not pardon him.

Although I disagree with the entire premise of the Russia hoax, he lied under oath.

I really hate to ask this after all this time, and I love ya and respect the hell outta your opinions, but are there any law enforcement agency findings or impartial investigation sources that have concluded there is any doubt whatsoever that Russia did do what has been alleged? Where does the assurance of this being a hoax come from other than the accused and his paid "loyal" staff?

A new warning came out today regarding the next election!

I understand why us Pats fans poo poo the possibility of under inflated balls and cite evidence to support us while raising questions about the evidence that led to a suspension and stuff, but that's not critical to our way of life regardless of political partisanship. That's entertainment. That debate is kinda fun.

This stuff is real and affects us whether we currently win from it or not, because the tables will turn and our way of life will be affected. Current benefits equal short term gains, the long term consequences should be the real consideration.

Other than citizen Rudy and Barr's deliberate misrepresentation of Mueller's findings (which Mueller addressed in no uncertain terms) what legitimate sources have proven the hoax claims?
Brewha Offline
#127 Posted:
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Witnesses tampering - is that even a crime?

“That a real cure daughter you have there, walks to school and all. It would be a real shame if something were to happen to her...”

Freedoms of speech, ya know.

“Prepare to die,” Stone tells Credico, according to the indictment. Stone allegedly warns Credico that his lawyers were “dying [sic] RIP you to shreds” and that they would take Credico’s therapy dog as well.

Yes - and your little dog too...



Judge Dread will rule - after the elections.
MACS Offline
#128 Posted:
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Russian meddling is one thing. Using a fake dossier, lying to FISA court judges and using the FBI/DOJ to spy on Trump and try to pin the meddling on him and call it collusion is quite another.

Meddling may not be a hoax, but the idea that Trump orchestrated said meddling most certainly was.

And I know you'se is bettah wif wurds, but how bout dem numbahs?? Obama pardoned more than a buncha previous presidents combined... not a peep.
delta1 Offline
#129 Posted:
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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/aug/30/katie-pavlich/did-obama-pardon-terrorist-and-traitor-katie-pavli/


most of Obama's pardons and grants of clemency were to average Joe drug offenders who were given harsh sentences during the War on Drugs, not favors to upper crust criminals who are personal friends or friends of friends...

clemency is different from pardons...and so are exonerations...
MACS Offline
#130 Posted:
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Yes, which is why in that post I put "pardons / sentence commutations". TYVM.
Cigarhound Offline
#131 Posted:
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Brewha, watching the Clinton News Nerwork and MSDNC while at the same time posting here trying to convince someone the propaganda he just swallowed like an Obama load is true because Fredo Cuomo said so.
frankj1 Offline
#132 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Russian meddling is one thing. Using a fake dossier, lying to FISA court judges and using the FBI/DOJ to spy on Trump and try to pin the meddling on him and call it collusion is quite another.

Meddling may not be a hoax, but the idea that Trump orchestrated said meddling most certainly was.

And I know you'se is bettah wif wurds, but how bout dem numbahs?? Obama pardoned more than a buncha previous presidents combined... not a peep.

the stuff in the first paragraph...all the spying claims have been investigated and reinvestigated multiple times. And after the investigations, Barr ordered an investigation into the investigation!!!

Don't cite opinions, post investigation results, not interpretations. Was anything that ensued based largely on the Steele stuff or other infractions? I have never seen any Law Enforcement agency in the USA report claiming that as the basis of what ensued...have you? Yet it just keeps getting repeated. Why? Cuz it's the team being rooted for, like the Patriots, but with more at stake. I get that. I scramble to defend Brady, but if it was a serious threat to our democracy, playing current favorites would take a back seat to our future or the local eleven.

They definitely did wrong things that can not be repeated, we should all benefit from knowing they are capable of such chit that puts all of us at risk, but after every review, every review, none were the cited as the crux of why things progressed. According to the courts, not Trump. Unless I missed a report somewhere. But the cons continue to cling to these as they fade from relative to the eventual findings.

Trump does not (yet) have the power to orchestrate Russian interference, never saw any claims he did. But he certainly accepted it. That can be verified. "Russia, if you can hear me..." "I'd listen to foreign..." and more.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump (a Barr lie that Mueller addressed directly on TV to the American public) but he said the DOJ currently opined that he could not indict the POTUS. So he did not/could not.

So instead Mueller, a life long registered Republican, laid out a dozen situations for Congress to check out.

As for the number of pardons...I guess more than volume would be the individual crimes and reasons for presidential action. So far, I have not blown a gasket over Trump's actions, subject to change, but certainly even his blind followers might be getting a little uncomfortable explaining it all.
DrafterX Offline
#133 Posted:
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Hillary is next... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#134 Posted:
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not again!
really?

is it the uranium thing?
I heard she was sorry.
MACS Offline
#135 Posted:
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Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#136 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Mellow

look how easy it is for Drafter to bring the love...

let's never fight again...HA!

Speyside Offline
#137 Posted:
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The sentence is about right. I would prefer Stone serves his sentence. But to be honest, if he is pardoned or his sentence commuted, this is totally at the president discretion. His crimes are minor in comparison to Chelsa Mannings. Yet that pardon was also at the presidents discretion.
DrafterX Offline
#138 Posted:
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Laugh
Brewha Offline
#139 Posted:
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Cigarhound wrote:
Brewha, watching the Clinton News Nerwork and MSDNC while at the same time posting here trying to convince someone the propaganda he just swallowed like an Obama load is true because Fredo Cuomo said so.

So...maybe you should stop watching MSNBC?
fishinguitarman Offline
#140 Posted:
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To the moon Alice
Speyside Offline
#141 Posted:
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Frank, you could never stay mad at Drafter. But maybe the 2 of you could look into the FGM thing? I mean, could use the Chicago Polish mafia, but that never turns out well. You know, the O'Leary cow thing was the start or their bad luck. Bean the cop does sound similar to burn the cow. Then there were the riots, I think they drank to much plum brandy. Again miscommunication, bang em with a black jack, does sound like bang the black chicks. So I just can't trust them anymore.
ZRX1200 Offline
#142 Posted:
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“If we’re seen as playing games, [the White House] will be furious,” the author wrote. “Protect our institution by not playing games.”

First class “investigation”.
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