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Poll Question : Who do you pick to win? (Poll is closed)
Choice Votes Statistics
Deontay Wilder 6 50 %
Tyson Fury 6 50 %
Total 12 100%

Wilder or Fury??
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MACS Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 5:15 PM EST
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Who ya got? Why?
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 5:44 PM EST
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Wilder...Fury weighs 15-20 lbs more, in hopes of increasing his power so he can knock Wilder out early...

I don't think he can...the extra weight will slow him somewhat, making it harder to catch Wilder...and he'll tire earlier...

if he put on the weight to gain power and go toe-to-toe, that's playing into Wilder's style...Fury will then be easier to hit, so lights out...
USNGunner Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 5:48 PM EST
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I thought Gene and Nick were going at it. ThumbDown
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 5:53 PM EST
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Wilder. He's American.
CelticBomber Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 5:54 PM EST
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Fury will outbox Deontay again. The first decision was a travesty. Bad judging in boxing.... go figure. The only thing that scares me is Deontay's right hand, if he connects it's over. But, that right hand is his only real weapon. So, everyone thinks the smart money is on Deontay but, I'd take Fury every time. Fury is going to neutralize that right and beat Deontay's left side into pulp!
robtheweirdo Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 6:02 PM EST
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I think furry will take it unfortunately. He's just too skilled.
shaun341 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 6:13 PM EST
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I didnt think people followed boxing now, no real names that excite people anymore. Plus there must be 275 different belts to make accomplishments even less important. I do hear the hype for this fight but still don't get how they can demand such a price for ppv
CelticBomber Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 6:16 PM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
I didnt think people followed boxing now, no real names that excite people anymore. Plus there must be 275 different belts to make accomplishments even less important. I do hear the hype for this fight but still don't get how they can demand such a price for ppv


I think I'm the last one.... I've always followed boxing and to a lesser extent MMA. I even got to get drunk one night with Emanuel Stewart and meet Lennox Lewis at his training camp! Was an AWESOME night!
CelticBomber Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 6:21 PM EST
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robtheweirdo wrote:
I think furry will take it unfortunately. He's just too skilled.


Unfortunately? When it comes to boxing all that national pride stuff should go out the window. For me it's about who fought the best fight period! When you watch a great fight you remember it for the rest of your life! The Gotti vs Ward war comes to mind.... neither great champions but Holy Hell did they have HEART and fought 3 wars! I'm Irish and I didn't care that Ward was Irish. I just wanted to see a great fight. Man did they deliver!

The Nevada gaming commission past and present should all be lined up and shot, repeatedly. They ruined the sport. I'd add quite a few ref's to that lineup too.
robtheweirdo Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 6:42 PM EST
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I'm a fan of Wilder. I've been for a while. It has nothing do do with national pride. I've just been following his career since a fight or two before he got the title.

I'd rather see a great fight and see Wilder lose then see him win a snooze fest. If furry out boxes him like he did last time I hope the judges give him the decision. But that doesn't mean I'm still not rooting for Wilder to knock furry out.
CelticBomber Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 6:46 PM EST
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robtheweirdo wrote:
I'm a fan of Wilder. I've been for a while. It has nothing do do with national pride. I've just been following his career since a fight or two before he got the title.

I'd rather see a great fight and see Wilder lose then see him win a snooze fest. If furry out boxes him like he did last time I hope the judges give him the decision. But that doesn't mean I'm still not rooting for Wilder to knock furry out.



I'm confused? Why did you say unfortunately then?
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 7:05 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
I think I'm the last one.... I've always followed boxing and to a lesser extent MMA. I even got to get drunk one night with Emanuel Stewart and meet Lennox Lewis at his training camp! Was an AWESOME night!


You're not the last, buddy... I love boxing. I went to ESPN's Friday Night Fights at Pechanga Resort and Casino some years ago. I was sitting right behind Joe Tessitore and Teddy Atlas and got to BS with them for a bit.

Great seats.
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 7:10 PM EST
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Fury is saying he's gonna try for a KO instead of doing what he did last time. If they go slugfest, Wilder is going to knock him out.

Fury hurt Wilder last time. Had he not got caught, that was a sure W for him. Probably should have been anyway...
CelticBomber Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 7:26 PM EST
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Just found a place showing the fights with NO COVER! I'm OUT! Under cards start NOW! Pint's of Yuenglings will probably be ridiculously priced but who cares! WooHoo!
Whistlebritches Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 7:26 PM EST
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Wilder with a KO/TKO
Whistlebritches Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 7:30 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Just found a place showing the fights with NO COVER! I'm OUT! Under cards start NOW! Pint's of Yuenglings will probably be ridiculously priced but who cares! WooHoo!


The cover charge starts tomorrow...……..when the real fights are on
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 8:04 PM EST
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d'oh!
CelticBomber Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 8:10 PM EST
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Lmao I was putting my coat on and realized today is Friday!
Burner02 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 9:55 PM EST
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Wilder. Got to pull for the fellow Alabamian.
xibbumbero Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 10:00 PM EST
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I don't particularly like either fighter. However,Fury comes from a long line of fighters. The early ones were bare knuckle fighters. IMO, Wilder comes off as a loud mouth. So's who I think will win? I pick Wilder. He's a more accomplished boxer,IMO. Fury has these arms that are longer than any fighter,I've ever seen. If can use these to his advantage,he may give Wlder problems. X fog
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#21 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2020, 10:00 PM EST
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Fury..........by decision.
Then rematch........Wilder by TKO........and Fury is............Furious over the controversial stoppage.

Then they fight again, to finally settle things........
You read it here first
fishinguitarman Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 9:48 AM EST
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ROLL TIDE!
thurson Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 11:13 AM EST
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Fury. I think he's got the heart of a lion. How he got up off the canvas in their last fight is beyond me.
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#24 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 2:30 PM EST
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electric furniture?
Cathcam13 Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 2:34 PM EST
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Hmm, unless we are talking about Gene Wilder and Nick fury, I really cannot say anything about it. Although those two in a ring against each other would be funny guaranteed.
CelticBomber Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 4:35 PM EST
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I said screw it and ordered the fight! The under card starts at 7:30 est but, I've been watching fight's for an hour now. All the amateurs having their first fight's are up! I am in HEAVEN! Trying to clean up between fights because I told one friend to come on over for a few beers and cigars and that dope told EVERYONE. Now I have friends of friends coming over. I might have to charge a cover;-p Bastids better bring some beer or a bottle with them!

I have a feeling my humidors are going to get hit by locust! ram27bat
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#27 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 4:40 PM EST
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Wish I was close by to be able to help.
CelticBomber Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 4:45 PM EST
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corey sellers wrote:
Wish I was close by to be able to help.


Start driving? Beer
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#29 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2020, 10:11 PM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Hmm, unless we are talking about Gene Wilder and Nick fury, I really cannot say anything about it. Although those two in a ring against each other would be funny guaranteed.



=d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>

The son in law texted me they bought it and did I want to come over and watch it. I gave them the Gene and Nick line, they got it but didn't see the humor. I passed. LOL
KingoftheCove Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 12:52 AM EST
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Well that was a straight up mauling.
Felt kinda bad for Wilder..........just this huge fuggin bear, with long and surprisingly quick hands bashing your face in.
Then when he’s done with that, he chokes and leans on you...

Fury is a beast...
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#31 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 1:08 AM EST
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Wow...I am shocked. Fury kicked his ass. IMO,Wilder fought Fury wrong. You can't fight a guy w/long ass arms going backwards. Fury just kept peppering away till his corner threw in the towel. I'm guessing Fury/Wilder III is already in the making. Another 25mil each. X fog
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#32 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 2:32 AM EST
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Wow, just wow. That first knockdown popped Wilder's eardrum and it was over. You could see it in his face before the fight even started. Wilder did not enter that ring with his head in the right place. Fury was going to win it no matter what but, coming in with that frame of mind and then the popped eardrum turned it into a straight up murder in progress. Wilder's corner made the right call throwing in the towel. They saved him some serious head trauma.

I didn't even care about the WBC belt. It was watching the lineal title be defended that made that fight for me. That and Fury leading the whole place singing American Pie! Can't help but love that guy!

Gypsy King of the Irish Travelers (Not just a nickname it's a title Irish travelers give to the best fighter among them)
Lineal Champion
The Ring magazine title x2
ABA Belt
WBC Belt
WBA Belt
WBO Belt
IBF Belt
IBO Belt

Unified the titles
stripped of the titles
wins the titles again....

The guy is the Superstar boxing has needed for a long time. Some great fights tonight!
KingoftheCove Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 9:07 AM EST
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xibbumbero wrote:
Wow...I am shocked. Fury kicked his ass. IMO,Wilder fought Fury wrong. You can't fight a guy w/long ass arms going backwards. Fury just kept peppering away till his corner threw in the towel. I'm guessing Fury/Wilder III is already in the making. Another 25mil each. X fog

I’m not at all surprised Fury won the fight.......I thought he won the first one as well.
The way he destroyed Wilder surprised me for sure.

Have not read anything yet, but if Bomber is correct, and that ear drum WAS ruptured.........well fuq..........that would make a boxing match against Fury......................difficult at best.
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#34 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 3:20 PM EST
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was thinking of spending the cash, but with previous duds like Mayweather/ Pacquiao on my credit card statement, I didn't...guess I made the right call...sounds like it was a one-sided affair with Wilder not into it...I saw his post-fight interview where he said he wasn't "right" before and during the fight...

what I don't get is how these guys can take the money, $25 million, and nobody is outraged when the boxer says he wasn't prepared to fight afterwards...

Wilder just joined Mike Tyson as an exposed one-dimensional bully with a big punch but little else...once the mystique is gone, you're reduced to desperation ear biting...
MACS Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 3:50 PM EST
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Tyson had skills, bro. Yeah, he hit like a truck... but dude could box.
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#36 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 4:17 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Tyson had skills, bro. Yeah, he hit like a truck... but dude could box.

I’m not an expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.
Tyson had a “peekaboo” bob and weave style, which, when combined with his incredible power in both hands, especially hooks and uppercuts, made him lethal.
He was somewhat hard to hit, and as long as he kept pressing the action, and coming forward, he was devastating.

However, anytime someone with skills stood his ground, and PUSHED BACK, and tagged him a few times, Tyson didn’t have an answer. His LACK of real boxing skills, limited range, and to a certain degree, mental toughness, was exposed.
He was psychologically fragile for much of his career.

It will be interesting to see how Wilder comes out of this beat down.
MACS Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 4:41 PM EST
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Teddy Atlas said Tyson was only really ever in 5 "fights". He said he was way more talented than most and just breezed through everyone... until he faced resistance. When he actually had to fight to win, instead of just overwhelming people with talent and power... he lost all 5 times. (this was on a Joe Rogan interview)

But to say he was just power and had no skills? I disagree, and I watched pretty much all of his fights.
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#38 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 4:55 PM EST
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The thing about Fury, besides being 6'9" 270+ pounds and actually being a skilled boxer is he has this odd way of moving. It's like a nervous tic. As he moves around his head and hands do this little twitch that normally an opponent would LOVE to see. Lot's of fighters telegraph their punches and that's what it looks like Fury is doing. But, he's not. So his opponents have no idea where the hammer is going to come from. He's also ridiculously fast for such a big guy.

He's 29 - 0 - 1 and 31... He's got at least 8 - 10 fights in him if he doesn't get lazy. He's going to be around for awhile. The only thing that bothers me is I don't see many great fights ahead of him.... The heavyweight divisions aren't exactly swimming in talent.
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#39 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 5:02 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Teddy Atlas said Tyson was only really ever in 5 "fights". He said he was way more talented than most and just breezed through everyone... until he faced resistance. When he actually had to fight to win, instead of just overwhelming people with talent and power... he lost all 5 times. (this was on a Joe Rogan interview)

But to say he was just power and had no skills? I disagree, and I watched pretty much all of his fights.

Eh.........not saying he had “no skills”. Just that his boxing skills were actually fairly average.
He was a student of boxing history, etc. was blessed with power, but there were many boxing related bits he lacked, due to simply not learning them (didn’t have to), or physically not being able to execute them.

His jab was mediocre over his career.
He was mediocre at best in tying someone up.
He could not fight defensively, or going backward, at all.
When in trouble, he folded, every time, due to not being able to tie someone up, and more importantly, get out of trouble.
His conditioning on the backend of his career was lacking..........but that’s common in end of the road fighters.

Tyson was one of the greatest in his short era. But I wouldn’t put him in the top 5, or probably even the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time.
MACS Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Feb 23 2020, 8:38 PM EST
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Full fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Qzxxpdnn0
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#41 Posted: Mon, Feb 24 2020, 12:00 AM EST
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Watched it a couple more times.........Wilder was mentally done after round 3....... maybe even round 2.
Heck, the look on his face during the middle of round 1 was that of “WTF!” He was absolutely NOT anticipating Fury to come at him immediately and start bullying him.
He had no game plan for that, and that’s on his trainers.

Also, there was a good deal of blood coming out of his mouth at the end of the 2nd round.
That knockdown right hand that Fury put on Wilders ear fuqed him all up.......after that......it was brutal.
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#42 Posted: Mon, Feb 24 2020, 6:40 PM EST
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Great match, I mean it was pretty much a done deal.
MACS Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:39 PM EST
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One can edit a post title... just saying.
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#44 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:47 PM EST
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It's all good, mang. Now I'll go back and re-edit so we don't cornfuse people.
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