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Myt1 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 8:47 AM EST
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In the description of various cigars in Cigarbid it is sometimes mentioned that different competing brand cigars are made in the same factory.

How does this work?

Are they simply the same cigars re-branded?

Do they all use the same tobacco but in different blends?

Does each brand bring their own proprietary tobacco to the factory and the cigars are then assembled using their tobacco but the same workers as the other brands?

Or is it something different, or some combination of the above?

Thanks so much. Herfing
Buckwheat Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 9:11 AM EST
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Yes! Sarcasm
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 9:15 AM EST
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Myt1 wrote:
In the description of various cigars in Cigarbid it is sometimes mentioned that different competing brand cigars are made in the same factory.

How does this work?

Are they simply the same cigars re-branded?No. But, rejects and blend tested rejects and loose filler are sometimes rebranded

Do they all use the same tobacco but in different blends?Sometimes

Does each brand bring their own proprietary tobacco to the factory and the cigars are then assembled using their tobacco but the same workers as the other brands?Sometimes

Or is it something different, or some combination of the above?Yes, Yes.

Thanks so much. Herfing


Welcome!
jjanecka Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 10:18 AM EST
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It depends on the quality of Cigar. When you're talking about higher end cigars they use different blends comprised of tobacco from various farms.

When you're talking about cheapo sticks, they could very well all be rebranded dog rockets.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 10:31 AM EST
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Where’s RP or K Hans when you need them?!!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:54 AM EST
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Probably in China making sure their tobacco fields are safe from corona virus...
jespear Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 2:20 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Where’s RP or K Hans when you need them?!!


Probably out looking for Cros !
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#8 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 7:16 PM EST
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Myt1 wrote:
In the description of various cigars in Cigarbid it is sometimes mentioned that different competing brand cigars are made in the same factory.

How does this work?

Are they simply the same cigars re-branded?

Do they all use the same tobacco but in different blends?

Does each brand bring their own proprietary tobacco to the factory and the cigars are then assembled using their tobacco but the same workers as the other brands?

Or is it something different, or some combination of the above?

Thanks so much. Herfing

wait, you're Richard Fader from Fort Lee NJ!
Myt1 Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 7:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
wait, you're Richard Fader from Fort Lee NJ!


How did you know my first name is Richard?

This is getting scary.

The other stuff is wrong, though.
clintCigar Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 8:17 PM EST
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This is a scary place...Scared
Sunoverbeach Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 8:18 PM EST
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No no. The scary place is another site
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 10:16 PM EST
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Myt1 wrote:
How did you know my first name is Richard?

This is getting scary.

The other stuff is wrong, though.

you coulda been famous...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k59d-xMvooA
Whistlebritches Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:06 PM EST
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Myt1 wrote:
How did you know my first name is Richard?



What's up D1ck???
tonygraz Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 12:06 AM EST
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Ok. tricky dicky. If you were a cigar manufacturer would you make a seperate factory for each brand you offered ?
USNGunner Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 1:00 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
What's up D1ck???



LOL I thought it, I typed it, I went, "Naaaah, let it go."

You da man Ron! ThumpUp
Palama Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 2:41 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Ok. tricky dicky. If you were a cigar manufacturer would you make a seperate factory for each brand you offered ?


+1

I’m sure many mass production plants are set up to run multiple products / brands all the time. You run one line one day / week then run something else after the order is fulfilled. In a cigar facility I’m sure the rollers are skilled enough to transition from one “recipe” to another, flawlessly. Whether or not the products are all the same but just re-labeled, well...I’m pretty sure that info will never be disclosed. Gonz
Myt1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 9:13 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Ok. tricky dicky. If you were a cigar manufacturer would you make a seperate factory for each brand you offered ?


No, but it sounds like Fords, Chevys and Chryslers are all being made in the same factory.
tonygraz Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 12:07 PM EST
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And until they built their first factory around a year ago, all Gurkha's were made in other company cigar factories.
clintCigar Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 12:53 PM EST
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ohh Gurkha-schmurka u just wanna fondle Kaizad's bawls
Myt1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 1:07 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you coulda been famous...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k59d-xMvooA


I just watched this. Absolutely classic!
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 10:29 PM EST
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Myt1 wrote:
I just watched this. Absolutely classic!

but not you, huh?
you did ask a lotta questions...
cacman Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Feb 29 2020, 10:46 PM EST
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I believe Tatuaje are made by My Father with propriety blends dictated by Tatuaje.
USNGunner Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Mar 1 2020, 2:03 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
I believe Tatuaje are made by My Father with propriety blends dictated by Tatuaje.



Think Applause Think Applause Shame on you
tonygraz Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Mar 1 2020, 8:23 AM EST
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I believe Ashtons are made in Fuente's factory(s).
deadeyedick Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Mar 1 2020, 8:42 AM EST
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Myt1 wrote:
No, but it sounds like Fords, Chevys and Chryslers are all being made in the same factory.


Take no notice of Rocky Patel behind the curtain.
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Mar 1 2020, 1:20 PM EST
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making a cigar, with just a few tobacco leaves, is a much simpler process which doesn't require more than a small table top and a place to hold the leaves and a couple of hand tools, takes only a few minutes when expertly done... to make different cigars in the same place, you just have to put in the different leaves for each specific cigar...

compare that to building a car, with several hundred thousand parts, with some very specialized automated processes and some human processes requiring hundreds of different tools, and separate facilities for some of the work (painting)...taking many hours from start to finish...

the automation in car manufacturing is programmed to very tight tolerances for the specific model, and would require extensive re-programming and logistics for parts deployment in the various stages of production in order to make a different model of car...
clickbangdead Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Mar 1 2020, 1:59 PM EST
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A cigar factory capable of any sort of quantity is still a capital investment, boutique brands generally cannot fund that sort of investment. But, in any factory where there is a very manual process, there will tend to be quality tiers too, so that if you are contracting you can likely specify the level of care you wish to take (i.e., what level of skill you want rolling). As already mentioned, there are several large brands that also have their own contact factories, as a fully utilized factory is a profitable factory.
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